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I think the rules only apply to WorldTour races.
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    Hmm, that would be pretty weird and pointless seeing as RusVelo have never ridden a WT race.
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    It's a team "suspension" anyway, doesn't stop the riders. They could do a UCI road race in a national team if they really wanted to.
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    Hmm, that would be pretty weird and pointless seeing as RusVelo have never ridden a WT race.

    It's a team "suspension" anyway, doesn't stop the riders. They could do a UCI road race in a national team if they really wanted to.

    The rules do not specify WT races, only that a self-suspension will occur from the date of the next race on the WT calendar. Thus, I would think that would mean all UCI races.

    As for the issue of riding for Russia as opposed to RusVelo, then I think the rules certainly include the riders but that the 'Russia dodge' cleverly enabled them to get around the rules.

    A lawyer did not write the MPCC rules, that much is very clear to me.
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    Re: Mouvement pour un cyclisme crédible (MPCC)
    « Reply #34 on: September 03, 2013, 18:36 »
    MPCC self-suspension covers all forms of competition and all riders:

    https://twitter.com/MPCC_Cycling/status/374913337924284416
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    Re: Mouvement pour un cyclisme crédible (MPCC)
    « Reply #36 on: September 05, 2013, 20:37 »
    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/mpcc-advised-astana-on-nibali-wasp-sting

    Wasp sting and Franco re MPCC and #astana

    It seems kind of ridiculous that Astana's management would lose its rag over this.

    It is not and has never been the MPCC's rule that corticosteroids cannot be used in competition. It is true that the MPCC does testing for cortisol levels but that is something else, built as a further check on top of the UCI rule.

    As Legeay says in the article above, the rule is and has always been that of the UCI, and I am glad that Legeay has been able to shoot down Astana's anger, because now these cyan fools cannot use French intransigence as a spontaneous excuse quitting the tougher MPCC régime in order to get more convenient access to corticosteroids and roll out Pellizotti in February.
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    Re: Mouvement pour un cyclisme crédible (MPCC)
    « Reply #37 on: September 05, 2013, 21:02 »
    It seems kind of ridiculous that Astana's management would lose its rag over this.

    It is not and has never been the MPCC's rule that corticosteroids cannot be used in competition. It is true that the MPCC does testing for cortisol levels but that is something else, built as a further check on top of the UCI rule.

    As Legeay says in the article above, the rule is and has always been that of the UCI, and I am glad that Legeay has been able to shoot down Astana's anger, because now these cyan fools cannot use French intransigence as a spontaneous excuse quitting the tougher MPCC régime in order to get more convenient access to corticosteroids and roll out Pellizotti in February.
    Perhaps a tad of journalistic flair from Gazetto?

    The doctor and Nibali seem to have done the right thing and the sting and swollen eye didn't seem to effect his ITT.

    Let us see what happens with Pellizotti. He can still ride any or all of the GT's next year which is where the value is for Astana.
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    Re: Mouvement pour un cyclisme crédible (MPCC)
    « Reply #38 on: September 05, 2013, 21:05 »
    Let us see what happens with Pellizotti. He can still ride any or all of the GT's next year which is where the value is for Astana.

    He can start from May 2nd, according to the same source. That should give him plenty of race days ahead of the Giro. Still, it didn't affect Di Luca or Horner. Oh, wait ... ;)

    (OK, bit unfair on Horner, but...)
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    Re: Mouvement pour un cyclisme crédible (MPCC)
    « Reply #39 on: September 05, 2013, 21:06 »
    He can start from May 2nd, according to the same source. That should give him plenty of race days ahead of the Giro. Still, it didn't affect Di Luca or Horner. Oh, wait ... ;)

    (OK, bit unfair on Horner, but...)

    Just a whole lot of Noise about nothing
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    Re: Mouvement pour un cyclisme crédible (MPCC)
    « Reply #40 on: September 05, 2013, 21:10 »
    He can start from May 2nd, according to the same source. That should give him plenty of race days ahead of the Giro. Still, it didn't affect Di Luca or Horner. Oh, wait ... ;)

    (OK, bit unfair on Horner, but...)
    Pellizotti can do plenty of out of competition cortizone for all his "bee stings" at that time of year :D
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    MPCC will not allow Astana to start Franco pellizotti in a race until may 2014, after an appeal by Astana.

    So next move Astana, so far MPCC, keeping their line in the sand
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    Androni have become a member  :-x

    Franco leaves andoni , can not ride until may for Astana, but then androni becomes a member.

    God I love cycling.

    PS Franco has been confirmed and will ride for Astana, wear kit etc, race in May and smash up the Giro
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    MPCC will not allow Astana to start Franco pellizotti in a race until may 2014, after an appeal by Astana.

    So next move Astana, so far MPCC, keeping their line in the sand
    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/astana-accept-pellizotti-cannot-race-until-may-2014

    Not impressed by the MPCC, it sounds like Astana are bending rules by signing Pellizotti in January, even if he won't be racing until May.

    And the worst part about it.. Astana make it sound like they are doing the MPCC a favour.

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    “We’ve decided to respect the MPCC rules and so Franco will only start racing on May 2,” Astana team manager Giuseppe Martinelli
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    I would like to start the Mouvement Pour un "Mouvement Pour un Cyclisme Credible" Credible.

    The MPMPCCC, or MP2C3 as we like to call it. Kinda has a Star-Wars vibe.
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    I would like to start the Mouvement Pour un "Mouvement Pour un Cyclisme Credible" Credible.

    The MPMPCCC, or MP2C3 as we like to call it. Kinda has a Star-Wars vibe.

    Only problem if they had to add an MP and a C everytime a scandal appeared then the name would soon fill up a whole page.
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    Re: Mouvement pour un cyclisme crédible (MPCC)
    « Reply #47 on: November 06, 2013, 15:16 »
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    Re: Mouvement pour un cyclisme crédible (MPCC)
    « Reply #48 on: November 06, 2013, 15:28 »
    Not sure Joost is such a great name

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    Re: Mouvement pour un cyclisme crédible (MPCC)
    « Reply #50 on: November 08, 2013, 14:47 »
    MPCC :fp
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    Re: Mouvement pour un cyclisme crédible (MPCC)
    « Reply #52 on: November 08, 2013, 22:37 »
    MPCC -  Mouvement Pas Cyclisme Crediblé
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    Re: Mouvement pour un cyclisme crédible (MPCC)
    « Reply #53 on: November 18, 2013, 16:19 »
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    Re: Mouvement pour un cyclisme crédible (MPCC)
    « Reply #54 on: November 21, 2013, 14:22 »
    Former Lotto pro and now Conti team manager Christophe Brandt weighs in on better whole-team structure and stability as the key to killing the motivation to dope in young riders:

    http://www.mpcc.fr/index.php/en/news-uk/item/223-brandt-we-can-t-get-lost-on-the-way-any-longer
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    Re: Mouvement pour un cyclisme crédible (MPCC)
    « Reply #55 on: November 21, 2013, 14:29 »
    Former Lotto pro and now Conti team manager Christophe Brandt weighs in on better whole-team structure and stability as the key to killing the motivation to dope in young riders:

    http://www.mpcc.fr/index.php/en/news-uk/item/223-brandt-we-can-t-get-lost-on-the-way-any-longer

    Unless the team are facilitators of course
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    Re: Mouvement pour un cyclisme crédible (MPCC)
    « Reply #56 on: November 21, 2013, 14:37 »
    Unless the team are facilitators of course

    This is true. Deliberately lax supervision on one end of the spectrum or institutional doping on the other.

    The latter is less easy unless you're doing off-plan substances and/or techniques. The former may risk some dodgy positives.

    I still think there's a good bit of a squeeze here unless you're a bent team that happens to be rich. ;)
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    http://www.mpcc.fr/index.php/en/news-uk/item/241-neri-sottoli-yellow-fluo-is-now-mpcc-provisional-member

    Neri Sottoli Yellow Fluo has become a provisional member of MPCC

    At the risk of sounding very partial, I am going to remind everyone that this is not a bad thing, nor is the MPCC some sort of exclusive club whose credibility is somehow devalued or damaged by the membership of teams with historical baggage.

    Once again, the MPCC requires only one thing from teams, sponsors and organisations that sign up to it: from that point forward, the signator commits firmly to an agreement to submit to the MPCC rules with regard to conduct in the event of a doping incident, the hiring of riders and submission to additional blood tests not conducted by the UCI.

    There is no threshold of respectability or pre-vetting of palatable candidates just as there is no gold badge certification of cleanliness when a member has joined. It is simply adherence to a set of rules and to date the MPCC has applied them strictly and consistently. Please show me an example of where this was not done: Pellizotti was not allowed to race before May at Astana, RusVelo and AG2R were both prevented from racing and Europcar was suspended for breaking the rules, ...

    In this way, it is no more correct to view OPQS or Sky as worse for not being members than it is to throw mud at the MPCC for enrolling Androni-Giocattoli or Astana (though Savio as a board member may well be another matter). It is correct to take a dim view of Europcar for getting itself suspended from the MPCC though, since Europcar was in clear violation of the MPCC rules.

    If and when the MPCC screws up royally or fails to apply its rules then by all means, the naysayers can tear this thread apart. Until that happens though, consider the possibility that the MPCC currently does more good than harm and it would not be a bad thing if every single professional team was a member because then there would be more tests and more stringent rules of conduct currently nowhere near being applied by the UCI and WADA.
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    Larri, generally I agree, but if a team that nearly collapsed last year after signing a team leader that is involved in the Mantova investigation (Santambrogio) goes on and signs another one a year later (Ponzi) how can you expect them to be a credible member?
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