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My cat just did an impression of a dog, that was more credible than the Mouvement Pas Cyclisme Credible
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    Larri, generally I agree, but if a team that nearly collapsed last year after signing a team leader that is involved in the Mantova investigation (Santambrogio) goes on and signs another one a year later (Ponzi) how can you expect them to be a credible member?

    I was away and didn't see that news so thanks for the update, search!  :cool

    Smart move by Astana getting rid of the dead wood. Yeah, it's a fair point and I reckon you'd have to be pretty dumb to buy an indicted man but Ponzi isn't guilty of anything. Yet. ;)

    We'll see and the MPCC has to vote on it, of course, so they could and probably should take that into account since the Mantova trial should be well underway by then if not already finished. If however Neri Sottoli gets formal acceptance and Ponzi does go down, I think I would finally be persuaded that the MPCC screwed up and lacks credibility.  :P
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  • Cycling is a Europe thing only and I only watch from Omloop on cause I am cool and sh*t
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    The creation of MPCC came surely out of good intentions. However, their harsh rules caught Jonathan Breyne between a rock and a hard place.

     As an ordinary 9-5 employee you are pretty much told were to work, there is rules and regulations that stipulate the length of the working day, working environment, what is acceptable risks etc.

    Unfortunately, this does not apply for a professional bike rider whos working conditions pretty much violate every employment safety law on the planet.  On top of that bike riders are forced to work in a conditions were they might be automatically out of work for two years and the only fault they've done is to show up for work.

    Additionally, we say to the employees of professional teams, oh by the way, you are responsible for what you put in you mouth regardless of were you are on the planet. The latter is fine which is fine presupposed as long as you compete in a Western type society and can make a choice what food you can eat. Apparently, even vegetarian dishes in China contains meat of some sort.

    Back to MPCC which expect you to roll a years salary on the bank even before you start your professional career. Regardless if you are food poisoned on your job, or trudge murky waters of the darkside.

     Because the've made the doping problem an individual problem. Which is quite silly to say the least because the MPCC started to fight doping on a structural level.

    I guess Jonathan Breyne have some thinking to do on how he ended up here by only doing his job.



    NB: I do not know all the regualations of the MPCC - do correct me if I'm wrong about them.
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    https://twitter.com/dnlbenson/status/424124301428531200

    not sure if true but is so, the last credibility MPCC with fans just left the building with Elvis
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  • Of course, if this turns out someday to be the industry standard integrated handlebar-computer-braking solution then I'll eat my kevlar-reinforced aerodynamic hat.

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    Why hadn't anyone thought of that before?

    Well... they did: http://bikepure.org/what-is-bike-pure/get-the-wirstband/

    Bikepure, who seem to be a much less in-your-face organisation. It's a kind of collective accountability, I guess...

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    Bike Pure is simply a medium to let the world know the athlete has taken this decision to respect his sport and the elements within.

    Riders who are listed as "role models" on the website include Dan Martin, Katie Compton, Turbo Durbo, Nico Roche, Alex Dowsett, Dan from Nam, Marianne Vos and the current World Champion (who has often posted pictures of himself with his blue wristband). Admittedly, they spelt his name wrong, and the website doesn't appear to have been properly updated for a while... but it's something.
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  • He shook his head sadly and told me that endemic drug use had compelled him to give up a promising career. "Even one small local race, prize was a salami, and I see doping!" - Tim Moore: Gironimo (Riding the Very Terrible 1914 Tour of Italy)

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    Why hadn't anyone thought of that before?

    Well... they did: http://bikepure.org/what-is-bike-pure/get-the-wirstband/

    Bikepure, who seem to be a much less in-your-face organisation. It's a kind of collective accountability, I guess...

    Riders who are listed as "role models" on the website include Dan Martin, Katie Compton, Turbo Durbo, Nico Roche, Alex Dowsett, Dan from Nam, Marianne Vos and the current World Champion (who has often posted pictures of himself with his blue wristband). Admittedly, they spelt his name wrong, and the website doesn't appear to have been properly updated for a while... but it's something.

    I think Cunego tattooed himself as well.

    something about being clean, see how that works out for him
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    I think Cunego tattooed himself as well.

    something about being clean, see how that works out for him

    So much for a no-needle policy!
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    I ought to have put these in the previous post, but never mind...

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    Re: Mouvement pour un cyclisme crédible (MPCC)
    « Reply #70 on: February 13, 2014, 17:43 »
    "cap of 60 members" was just poor english. they meant they had passed the mark of 60 pro teams.
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    Re: Mouvement pour un cyclisme crédible (MPCC)
    « Reply #71 on: February 13, 2014, 18:23 »
    seems that way Google Translater FTW
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    Re: Mouvement pour un cyclisme crédible (MPCC)
    « Reply #74 on: September 10, 2014, 19:28 »
    http://www.mpcc.fr/index.php/en/news-uk/item/338-09-02-presse-release



    Several changes to MPCC rules


    The movement considers useful to clarify the different routes of administration of corticosteroids included in its rules, namely : oral, intramuscular and intravenous. These administrations of corticosteroids by general routes also trigger an eight-day shutdown of the competition. The comeback will be made after verification of normal cortisol.

     

    A letter will be sent to the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) to examine again the issue of the abnormally low cortisol. An appointment with WADA will be requested to discuss all the MPCC proposals.

     

    The board also decided that the opening of disciplinary proceedings by the UCI for abnormal biological passport of the rider now generate , the same measures as a positive control for the teams members of the Movement.

     

    Finally, MPCC raises the awareness among the players in our sport of fighting against anything that undermines the credibility of cycling : the use of an electric or motorized bicycle, illegal sports betting, etc. That is why the board decided that the opening of disciplinary proceedings by the UCI to the facts above will also result the same actions as a positive control for teams members of the Movement.

     

    67 teams members

     

    The MPCC board chooses to open its membership to the agents of riders and will set in that sense a document listing the commitments due to join the movement. The most important point being not to work with riders who have committed a doping offense code in the past.

     

    The final accession of the Dutch Cycling Federation and of the continental team De Rijke (NED) were passed and approved by the Board. From September 2, 67 teams have been members of MPCC, including 11 in World Tour. The Board notes with satisfaction that all the members of MPCC teams have scrupulously complied with its internal rules.

     

    The General Assembly of MPCC will be held on October 21, 2014 in PARIS. On this occasion, it will be organized on October 20, a meeting gathering the doctors in charge of the teams members of MPCC and the sponsors members of MPCC to be held on October 21.

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    Re: Mouvement pour un cyclisme crédible (MPCC)
    « Reply #75 on: September 10, 2014, 19:59 »
    . . .


     . . .

    The MPCC board chooses to open its membership to the agents of riders and will set in that sense a document listing the commitments due to join the movement. The most important point being not to work with riders who have committed a doping offense code in the past.
     . . .

    Sounds like a one-strike, you're out, policy? Pretty strict.



    http://www.mpcc.fr/index.php/en/component/k2/item/296-can-a-medicine-of-performance-be-credible

    This IS the nitty gritty - there is a HUGE grey area, and it is constantly moving. E.g. Laudunum (tincture of opium) was once considered a valid treatment. Good on them to face it head on, and get it out in the open.
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    Re: Mouvement pour un cyclisme crédible (MPCC)
    « Reply #76 on: September 10, 2014, 21:54 »
    Saxo would be under new MPCC rules be under fire what with Kreuziger and Rogers.
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    In which Iglinskiy will be forced to request a B-sample analysis whether or not he wants it, so that Astana can race Lombardia and the home derby tranquillo e sereno.

    The total hypocrisy of this team was resealed with former blood tweaker and race buyer Vinokourov issuing pat statements about zero tolerance for ethical transgressions but now a rider's individual rights will be suborned to the machine in order to save face.

    If that's the way it goes down - and you can bet that it will - then it's probably the boldest and the baldest proof this season that the sh*t still stinks around professional road cycling.
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    In which Iglinskiy will be forced to request a B-sample analysis whether or not he wants it, so that Astana can race Lombardia and the home derby tranquillo e sereno.

    The total hypocrisy of this team was resealed with former blood tweaker and race buyer Vinokourov issuing pat statements about zero tolerance for ethical transgressions but now a rider's individual rights will be suborned to the machine in order to save face.

    If that's the way it goes down - and you can bet that it will - then it's probably the boldest and the baldest proof this season that the sh*t still stinks around professional road cycling.
    It is a nasty,  dirty world out there for sure, instead of the cream rising to the surface, in cycling it tends to be brown and smelly ;)
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    In which Iglinskiy will be forced to request a B-sample analysis whether or not he wants it, so that Astana can race Lombardia and the home derby tranquillo e sereno.

    do we know when he was notified though? He still was on the entry list for the World Championships (published on September 17th), but not on the final start list (published on September 26th) - so I guess he was notified in between that period.

    On from that day he has 7 working days to request the analysis of the b-sample - and in that article on cn it says Vino "hadn’t talked to the rider yet", so who knows...maybe those 7 days have passed already
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    So because he requested B sample, hes technically not yet positive, so they dont yet have to pull the team in line with MPCC.

    MPCC are faced with a decision that will make or break their "credibility"..

    Accept Astana's decision and make themselves look like utter buffoons, or boot Astana from the MPCC and look like utter buffoons for accepting them in the first place.

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    Accept Astana's decision and make themselves look like utter buffoons, or boot Astana from the MPCC and look like utter buffoons for accepting them in the first place.

    it's clearly stated in (the french version of their :P) rules though

    http://www.mpcc.fr/images/RI0402FR.pdf

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    2 contrôles anti-dopage positifs1 et/ou contrôles sanguins anormaux2 (à l’exclusion des sanctions pour no show et/ou non information AMA).

    AUTO-SUSPENSION de l’équipe de 8 jours dès la connaissance du 2ème contrôle.

    L’auto suspension commence le 1er jour de la course du calendrier World Tour suivant, à l’exception des 3 Grands Tours.

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    1 Après contre-expertise confirmée
    2 Après confirmation de l’UCI
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    So because he requested B sample, hes technically not yet positive, so they dont yet have to pull the team in line with MPCC.

    MPCC are faced with a decision that will make or break their "credibility"..

    Accept Astana's decision and make themselves look like utter buffoons, or boot Astana from the MPCC and look like utter buffoons for accepting them in the first place.

    I don't think this affects the MPCC's credibility.

    If we think it does, then we also think Iglinskiy is "guilty until proven innocent". Due process requires either that he waives his right to a B-sample and heads straight to a sanction - which Vinokourov et al will never allow - or else he chooses to do the B-sample test.

    The MPCC doesn't have a provisional suspension clause like the UCI, so it can hardly require Astana to ban itself until the positive is confirmed. I think that to require any other action from the MPCC at this point would be as cynical as Astana requiring Iglinskiy to submit the B-sample. ;)
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    in contrary, the MPCC already has gained a lot off credibility and awareness due to the odd press release Astana published yesterday

    “In accordance with regulations of the MPCC (Mouvement Pour un Cyclisme Crédible) to which the Astana team first adhered in 2013, the rider is suspended provisionally and shall remain out of competition in anticipation of the results from the B analysis -“

    ...what may very well be in accordance with the regulations of the MPCC as well - but MPCC or not, for the moment there's no way he could have continued racing anyway
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    as Cookson indicated in the Cyclingnews interview, this is not approved by the UCI rules

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    2.15.127 The UCI ProTeam must take part with a team of competitive riders in each of the UCI WorldTour events.

    2.15.128 In the event of unjustifiable absence, withdrawal or giving up, the UCI ProTeam shall be liable to a fine of between CHF 10,000 and 20,000 payable to the UCI WorldTour's reserve and solidarity fund. For stage races, this fine shall be multiplied by the number of days' racing remaining on the day of absence, withdrawal or giving up.

    On the third offence committed during the period of validity of the licence, the UCI ProTeam will further receive a month's suspension; on the fourth offence, the suspension will be for three months. On the fifth offence committed during the period of validity of the licence, the licence shall be automatically revoked.

    from my understanding of the rules this is Astana's 2nd offence after withdrawing from the Tour de France in 2009 - and therefor another positive within the next 23 months (=3 positives within 2 years -> 4 weeks MPCC auto-suspension) should also lead to a 1 months suspension handed out by the UCI

    edit: provided "validity of the license" means the license in general, and not the period it was handed out for
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    A couple of wrong things like the team asking for B sample, no this is done by the rider but point stands I think

    http://www.sbs.com.au/cyclingcentral/al-hinds/blog/129318/why-the-mpcc-needs-to-grow-a-pair-and-boot-out-astana
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