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Re: Darkside - General news
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2012, 15:24 »
Has a certain risk too it, test positive for something very small.. lets say 50 picograms of cocaine.. (numbers and whatever he tested for out- pulled out of my ass. :) ) But you lead the WT, 4 to 5 years for cocaine?

What Knebel says needs to be concrete, cause otherwise it would be just guessing..
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #2 on: February 03, 2012, 12:40 »
    Riccos Coni hearing delayed - 2 experts could not make due to extreme winter in Italy.

    No new hearing date -
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #3 on: February 03, 2012, 16:21 »
    Cyclo-cross doping

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/did-wellens-and-two-other-riders-dope-the-day-before-belgian-nationals

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    A Belgian court has information that Luc Van den Broeck administered drugs to Bart Wellens and two other riders the day before the Belgian national cyclo-cross championships, Het Nieuwsblad has reported. Bart and Geert Wellens and Kevin Cant are said to have received doping products either through an injection or a drip at his office
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #4 on: February 03, 2012, 17:23 »
    Ouch..  If that is the case then that is quite the shake up in the CX world.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #5 on: February 03, 2012, 18:02 »
    Cyclo-cross doping

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/did-wellens-and-two-other-riders-dope-the-day-before-belgian-nationals

    whoa. potentially big news item....

    and it makes the 'dental problems' angle on top of all this sound a little contrived..
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #6 on: February 03, 2012, 18:29 »
    and it makes the 'dental problems' angle on top of all this sound a little contrived..

    I don't know much about it, but it all sounds a bit strange to me - heart problems linked to dental issues?
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #7 on: February 03, 2012, 18:38 »
    I don't know much about it, but it all sounds a bit strange to me - heart problems linked to dental issues?

    It's the build-up of bacteria which can travel to the heart. Wellens had some medical folks back him up on the cause of the emergency, so either they were corruptible or the doping is another, separate issue. Or there was a misapprehension of the cause of the incident, which I would be inclined to doubt strongly.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #8 on: February 06, 2012, 00:48 »
    I don't know much about it, but it all sounds a bit strange to me - heart problems linked to dental issues?

    There is definitely a connection. People having heart surgery need the all-clear from their dentist before surgery goes ahead.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #9 on: February 06, 2012, 10:42 »
    Yep, my ex F-I-L contracted a staph infection from dental work, the result was then an infection in the heart tissue at a very minor birth defect in one valve of his heart, resulting in the breakdown of the valve & subsequent open-heart surgery for valve replacement.

    Apparently the staph bacteria has a particular liking for the heart tissues.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #10 on: February 06, 2012, 22:14 »
    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/liggett-on-armstrong-the-whole-investigation-was-a-waste-of-money

    Liggett - I believe in him (and trips on his private jet)
    Intrigued that he acknowledges having doubts...
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #11 on: February 07, 2012, 00:14 »
    god I think I am going to be sick after that ....   ???
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #12 on: February 07, 2012, 05:15 »
    Liggett...GRRrrr!! I've renamed him the vomitron - every time I hear him, I wanna be sick....  ???
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #14 on: February 08, 2012, 19:26 »
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #15 on: February 09, 2012, 08:24 »
    http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/02/news/martel-sanctioned-for-testosterone_205987

    Bejnamen Martel, a participant in the Québec provincial road championships on August 28, 2011, has been sanctioned for testing positive for the banned substance testosterone.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #16 on: February 12, 2012, 00:33 »
    Doesn't really require a thread all its own so this should suffice.

    With drugs so rife, could Australians be doping too?  ::)
    http://www.theroar.com.au/2012/02/12/with-drugs-so-rife-could-australians-be-doping-too/

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    Mostly stating the obvious, but the conversation is what it is.

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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #17 on: February 12, 2012, 01:04 »
    Yeah our cyclists don't dope just like our star footballers don't dive.  ::)
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #18 on: February 12, 2012, 03:22 »
    That article was good for a laugh.   Just the gentle questioning of Mick Rogers had me LOLing.  Mick Rogers doping?  Ya think?  They even got the time of the Freiberg clinic visit wrong.  It did not happen days before the 2006 Tour. It happened a few days into the Tour.

    Since when has Evans been a stalwart doping critic.  All the responses from him I have read about doping have been mealy mouthed avoidences of the question.  He always comes across as someone who does not want to lie about it but does not want to address the issue either.


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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #19 on: February 13, 2012, 02:19 »

    Isn't that the case for 95% of them?

    Most riders in his position have become quite smooth at deflecting questions.  They usually parrot the usual talking points promoted by the UCI.  Evans responses are akward.  I certainly would not call Evans an outspoken critic of doping as the article portrayed him.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #20 on: February 13, 2012, 04:15 »
    He's awkward in response to any question, but agreed.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #21 on: February 13, 2012, 20:33 »
    Since when has Evans been a stalwart doping critic.
    Have you forgotten the adamant stance he took at his post-TdF press conference? After being asked if a cleaner peloton had perhaps contributed to his victory, I believe the walls actually shook after his rousing proclamation of, "I don't think I'm in a good position to comment on that. Sorry."

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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #22 on: February 13, 2012, 22:50 »
    I believe the walls actually shook after his rousing proclamation of, "I don't think I'm in a good position to comment on that. Sorry."

    What surprised me is that no  one challenged him on it. "Why do you say that? Why don't you want to comment on doping in the peleton?"
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    Re: Darkside - General news
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #24 on: February 21, 2012, 02:44 »
    It's the build-up of bacteria which can travel to the heart. Wellens had some medical folks back him up on the cause of the emergency, so either they were corruptible or the doping is another, separate issue. Or there was a misapprehension of the cause of the incident, which I would be inclined to doubt strongly.

    Isn't the usual procedure to simply administer a large dose of antibiotic before (and after?) the dental procedure? No doping required.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #25 on: February 21, 2012, 02:53 »
    Have you forgotten the adamant stance he took at his post-TdF press conference? After being asked if a cleaner peloton had perhaps contributed to his victory, I believe the walls actually shook after his rousing proclamation of, "I don't think I'm in a good position to comment on that. Sorry."

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    No matter how you look at it, though, whatever else it is it's an honest answer - no "I'm sorry you don't believe in unicorns."



    He's in no position to comment because, a) he's doping, too; or, b) realpolitik dictates that, as emerging Patron, he stays away from this radioactive topic. I tend to think the answer is more b than a, but it's probably a bit of both.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #27 on: February 24, 2012, 02:08 »
    Seems other sports have no problem letting guys off.

    Anyone heard this before ".....because I have nothing to hide. I have passed over 25 drug tests in my career, including at least three in the past year."

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120223&content_id=26813960&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb
    I always get a tremendous laugh out of these statements. The average MLB fan probably hasn't the slightest ides just how routine the whole charade appears to those of us with a more seasoned perspective.  "Three...in the past year."  ;D

    Oh, make it stop!

    I especially liked this quote from the New York Times
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/24/sports/baseball/braun-wins-appeal-on-positive-drug-test-and-will-avoid-suspension.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1

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    The ruling was a blow to Major League Baseball and Commissioner Bud Selig, who has repeatedly said that his sport now has a comprehensive testing system second to none and that it has fully addressed a drug problem that has plagued it for more than a decade.  ::)
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #28 on: February 24, 2012, 09:42 »
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