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Re: Darkside - General news
« Reply #1173 on: December 01, 2014, 13:21 »
Dangerous obsession with size creates bigger need for answers
The reputation of a particular sport should not determine the level of suspicion, writes Paul Kimmage


Kimmage for me has always been impressive in terms of tenacity but I find him a pedestrian writer. However this - "the writ hit the fan" - I found very droll and not a little unexpected! :lol

As for the story, funny that Bellocq's name should appear again, a dodgy doctor who was very active during Kimmage's own pro career. In any case, it does seem in rugby that the omerta is as locked in tight as a scrum, although there are plenty of other insights here.

Dietary supplements are also at issue, as far as I recall, in the AFL case that has its own thread here.

There is precious little information about what's been found in them but certainly the results are striking. On the Kenyans, Kimmage uses the word 'steroids' and that piques my interest, especially after I have already loudly claimed elsewhere that one does not find anabolics in "contaminated" supplements.

That said, it does offer another illustration of what I was saying about the notion of "contamination" and how the semantics of that can be useful. When I mentioned it before, I was saying that the manufacturer was spiking the product to guarantee results and thereby improve sales, but the Kimmage article hints at the idea that suitably connected staff might do the spiking themselves, mixing gear with virgin product.

Even if WADA rules mean you will always be busted on a supplement positive, you can still claim ignorance in mitigation and that such ingredients were not listed on the packaging, thereby diminishing your sentence and, perhaps more importantly, retaining your reputation in the eyes of your paymasters.

Notwithstanding the risk of triggering a war with the maligned producer - which surprisingly didn't happen when Contador blamed the entire meat industry for his Clenbuterol ping - ignorance is not a valid defence in any of the legal and quasi-legal systems with which I am acquainted, but outcomes can certainly be swayed by it.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #1174 on: December 02, 2014, 11:16 »
    The Outer Line has said some stuff again:
    A new approach to anti-doping

    Not sure if this has been posted already. And I haven't read it through (yet).
    But for the sake of completeness, here it is. :)
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #1175 on: December 05, 2014, 17:36 »
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #1176 on: December 05, 2014, 17:39 »
    and there's an addition to the list of provisionally suspended cyclist as well:

    *fr #rainbow MASSOT Robert André

    busted for anabolic steroids (at the age of 59) at the world championships he won

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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #1182 on: December 11, 2014, 20:20 »
    It is, I know, unfashionable in the gene doping, biopass breaking, post-Sinkewitz Dark Side to talk about this, but ...

    https://twitter.com/ollieman56/status/543072975457890304

    #cajarural Davide Viganó --> #idea Team Idea

    ... lantern jaw or what?

     :o
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #1183 on: December 11, 2014, 21:14 »
    It is, I know, unfashionable in the gene doping, biopass breaking, post-Sinkewitz Dark Side to talk about this, but ...

    ... lantern jaw or what?

     :o
    But, but ... he rode for #2012sky in 2010! He must be squeaky clean! :P


    I'm going to be even more unfashionable - nihil nisi bonum and all that - and suggest having a look at Wouter Weylandt. :(
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #1184 on: December 11, 2014, 21:20 »
    But, but ... he rode for #2012sky in 2010! He must be squeaky clean! :P

    same as Morris Possoni, linked to Ferrari in today's Gazzetta  :shh
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #1185 on: December 11, 2014, 22:21 »
    same as Morris Possoni, linked to Ferrari in today's Gazzetta  :shh

    This should cause much wailing and gnashing of teeth in certain circles.
    The fact that Sky did not uncover this link, but the Padua investigation did.......
    ......on second thoughts I'll go with the lantern jaw theory.
    They should pencil that into their ZTP. :P :lol
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #1186 on: December 11, 2014, 22:35 »
    This should cause much wailing and gnashing of teeth in certain circles.
    The fact that Sky did not uncover this link, but the Padua investigation did.......
    ......on second thoughts I'll go with the lantern jaw theory.
    They should pencil that into their ZTP. :P :lol

    After a highly controversial career of massive success characterised by countless dope-fuelled victories, today Possoni is an unassuming Lampre mechanic.

    It seems obvious to me that there can be just two reasons for that.

    1. Hush money for Mantova

    2. Complicity to insert small battery engines in the seatposts and BB shells
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #1187 on: December 12, 2014, 10:06 »
    from today's l'Equipe

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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #1188 on: December 12, 2014, 10:17 »
    from today's l'Equipe



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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #1189 on: December 13, 2014, 16:31 »
    Matteo Rabottini B sample confirmed his A sample positive for EPO
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #1190 on: December 13, 2014, 17:04 »
    Matteo Rabottini B sample confirmed his A sample positive for EPO

    http://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/13-12-2014/rabottini-anche-campione-b-conferma-positivita-100214964714.shtml

    it was sent to the lab in Lausanne - but the results come from Cologne. How is that possible?!

    There are still no information at all from CONI about the whole case by the way
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #1191 on: December 14, 2014, 18:30 »
    Rabbotini's B sample, as expected had traces of EPO. Yet his defence was based on his passport having no anomalies.

    Not exactly foolproof is even a fool can get round the passport whilst taking Edgar.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #1192 on: December 15, 2014, 12:03 »
    http://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/13-12-2014/rabottini-anche-campione-b-conferma-positivita-100214964714.shtml

    it was sent to the lab in Lausanne - but the results come from Cologne. How is that possible?!

    There are still no information at all from CONI about the whole case by the way

    B-sample tested elsewhere to guarantee impartiality?

    As for CONI's silence, perhaps in the meantime Rabottini decided to talk...
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #1193 on: December 15, 2014, 12:37 »
    yes, but this source said it would be tested in Lausanne, that's why I was wondering.

    but maybe one of the sources is just wrong...
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #1194 on: December 15, 2014, 13:25 »
    http://www.espn.co.uk/blogs/sport/story/378857.html



    I reckon, cycling is still one of the top 10 dirtiest sports that follow the WADA code. only probably and only if you exclude the likes of NFL.
    maybe i'm naive but i think a good portion of the peloton is clean (although didn't use to be) wheras there are lots of sports where doping is still in the majority.

    there's zero chance seb coe is the answer to athletics problems, apart from anything else he's been a decision maker at the iaaf for years.

    the number of WR that are held by athletes from countries that barely do any ooc testing makes me much more than sceptical of the author of that piece.

    it's worth noting that the ben johnson run was at least as spectacular a moment of sport as bolt's 9.69, doesn't make it any less dirty
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #1195 on: December 15, 2014, 13:41 »
    As I just posted on twitter,

    Bolt has more doping dots and dashes around him than at a morse code convenient.

    His strength coach is dirtier than dirt
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #1196 on: December 15, 2014, 14:09 »
    Mo Farah just eats Quorn though. But not when he's in the Kenyan mountains.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #1197 on: December 15, 2014, 14:27 »
    Bolt and Radcliffe have records that are about 2.5% quicker than the best time by an athlete who hasn't got a doping conviction.
    they both make me extremely suspicious
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #1198 on: December 15, 2014, 17:19 »
    Savio has introduced a new zero tolerance policy for his team, every rider offending the rules has to pay 100000 EUR + X

    #androni press release:

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    ANDRONI-VENEZUELA: THE NOTARY TO CONFIRM ZERO TOLERANCE!

    At the end of the gathering of the collegial Androni - Venezuela, at the studio Legal and Notarial in Viareggio, in the presence of Notary Marco Marvaso, Att. Joseph Napoleon and the Team Manager Dr. Gianni Savio, athletes homonym team, as well as technical staff, have signed the Health Regulations internal and its appendix for season 2015. Present all runners Europeans: Italians - Pellizotti, Cat, Appollonio, Flag, Benfatto, Dall'Antonia, Nardin, Sella, Stortoni, Taliani, Zilioli and Zordan - Danish Ebsen and Romanian Ţvetcov. Venezuelans Galvis, Rodriguez, Godoy and Gimenez will travel to sign the document at a Notaria of Caracas, accompanied by the Assistant Technician Da Silva. The initiative, strongly supported by the management company, was created precisely in order to continue the policy of extreme rigor and the fight against doping, always implemented by the team in question. The Notary Marvaso, as a public official and the lawyer. Napoleon, Legal Team, have made it clear to all members of the state legislation and sports doping, specifying the content of the acts signed and authenticated by a notary. The Team Manager Dr. Savio has also stated that the guiding principle of the initiative is "zero tolerance". All of them have signed the documents, authenticated by the Notary Marvaso. The regulation provides for offenders a fine of € 100,000.00 (one hundred thousand / 00), in addition to compensation for further damages that may result to the team. Therefore, together with the already stringent and effective rules, the Team Androni-Venezuela it introduces and promotes another, albeit rank regulate, from which you can borrow the perspective in which the team will work in the coming seasons racing
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #1199 on: December 15, 2014, 18:26 »
    Savio has introduced a new zero tolerance policy for his team, every rider offending the rules has to pay 100000 EUR + X

    #androni press release:

    this sounds to me at first glance that it is a punitive contract term and does not attempt to reflect any damages. as such it would be close to, if not actually impossible to enforce under european law.

    nice strong rhetoric though, but i think that's all it is.
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