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Re: Darkside - General news
« Reply #421 on: February 05, 2013, 10:26 »
Andy Murray: Tennis must invest following Lance Armstrong scandal

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Andy Murray wants tennis to learn from the Lance Armstrong doping scandal and introduce tighter controls. The British number one believes that prize funds should be reduced if it is the only way to fund more regular blood testing and protect the sport's image.

"It's down to our governing bodies and the ATP to invest some of our own money and make sure we get more testing done," he said. "If it means taking some of the money out of the players' earnings then that's what we have to do."

Spanish doctor Eufemiano Fuentes is currently on trial in Madrid after admitting providing athletes with banned substances in sport's latest drug inquiry. The World Anti-Doping Agency was initially told that tennis players were amongst the sportspeople supplied by Fuentes when his operation was uncovered by Spanish police in 2006. However Fuentes is only being tried over doping in one sport as cyclists were the only athletes that could be identified from the bags of blood seized.

"I think it's essential that the names and whoever was involved with it, it's essential for tennis that that comes out," said Murray. "If one in 100 is doping then, in my eyes, that isn't a clean sport and we need to to everything we can to ensure we have everyone that's competing at the highest level and below is clean. "I know what goes in my body and I know from my side that I'm clean, so that's all I can comment on."

Armstrong recently admitted cheating en route to winning all seven of his Tour de France titles, and US Open champion Murray believes that the damage done to cycling has focused minds across sport.

"I don't want that happening for my sport because it would be terrible," he said. "Every single week right now there's something different and it's bad for sport."

Murray argues that more blood tests, combined with biological passports that monitor for the effects of doping, is the best tactic to ensure a clean sport and may not be as costly as first appears.

"The only way you can improve your testing procedures is by having more of them and you need money to do that - it's a cost thing," he added. "But in the long term I think you save money because I think more people would come to watch sports, rather than reading all the time about these doping scandals."

The International Tennis Federation carried out a total of 131 blood tests in and out competition in 2011 - the most recent year for which figures are available - alongside 2,019 urine tests. However world number one Novak Djokovic recently complained the number of blood tests he has undergone fell in the last year.

So it looks like the world numbers 1 and 3 are pretty anti-doping and pro-testing. Now for the rest of tennis to wake up as well.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #424 on: February 05, 2013, 13:15 »
    Dick Pound

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    So was the Armstrong donation a bribe?  “I don’t know if it was a bribe but I cannot imagine a more inappropriate decision on the part of UCI,” says Pound. “When you’ve got somebody suspected of doping and you agree to take a significant monetary gift, I mean God in heaven, what possessed Verbruggen that that was a good idea?”

    :win

    and seriously - what do they think Armstrong was paying it for?

    Does anyone seriously believe that Lance, who has now admitted he was doping, gave money to the UCI to fight doping?     So if not, what did he think he was getting for the money?

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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #425 on: February 05, 2013, 16:17 »
    Why is "Dick Pound" not blocked by the swear filter? I only realized the hilariousness of his name when the CN forum made him into **** Pound, wouldn't have given it any thought otherwise.
    OK, let's get serious again...

    That article is exactly how the media should not spin this. Yes, cycling has not had (and hasn't) a perfect anti-doping regime - no sport ever had, or will have.
    Yes, many people have enabled doping, administered doping, taken doping products themselves, covered up positives or simply looked the other way. Many of us fans - myself included - are guilty of that last one.
    But the headline "How could they not know?" will put in people's minds a notion that cycling is doping-infested (it still is, and it certainly was) and far beyond any saving (if I thought that to be true, I'd stop following the sport). It broadcasts the message that the Armstrong affair was uncovered by people and organisations that were not in any way involved in cycling, which is untrue.
    I believe that cycling is cleaning up, both in body (the amount of doping riders still take, and how many do it) and in mind (the attitude towards doping from riders, DSs - some of them -, organisators and fans alike). We're on the right path (although it's still a long and hard way), but to succeed we need "outsiders" (new spectators, possible new sponsors etc.) to consider cycling as being on that path, and being interested in getting involved, instead of thinking of cycling as some sort of freak show and comparing its truthfulness to wrestling.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #426 on: February 08, 2013, 08:04 »
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    During his time at Juventus, that esteemed Italian football club was involved in a match-fixing scandal in 2006, when their punishments included being relegated and stripped of two Serie A titles.

    Asked for his reaction to revelations from the ACC regarding widespread doping and possible match-fixing Del Piero said on Friday: "It is a serious problem".

    "It's not only an Australian problem it's all the world a problem, it's not a good thing."

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    "I don't understand why we never get to the bottom of these things," Nadal said.

    "We need to clean everything up. I believe this doctor has worked with foreign athletes but because he is Spanish it is Spanish sport that is being prejudiced.

    some gems right there Doping, match-fixing a worldwide problem
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #427 on: February 08, 2013, 08:55 »
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #428 on: February 09, 2013, 05:51 »
    http://espn.go.com/boston/mlb/story/_/id/8931274/investigation-finds-curt-schilling-ped-claims-baseless-sources-say

    World Series winning pitcher turned failed video game designer turned ESPN pundit Curt Schilling said that team doctors advised him to use drugs to rehabilitate an injury. His then-team investigated, and unsurprisingly concluded that nuh-uh that totally never happened.

    Then Major League Baseball investigated, and ALSO concluded that Curt Schilling was lying.

    It's almost re-assuring to see that the UCI is not the only organising body that is actively working to suppress doping revelations in their sport.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #429 on: February 09, 2013, 06:48 »
    http://www.theage.com.au/sport/no-aoc-mercy-for-drug-lies-20130208-2e3z5.html
    Sign a form get caught doping 2 years in jail and a few other bits

    But t&r 1st and for the future harder penalties
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #430 on: February 11, 2013, 09:26 »
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #432 on: February 13, 2013, 12:12 »
    Lampre Merida confirms Scarponi is currently suspended, meeting about his future set to take place soon

    Read more: http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/13933/Lampre-Merida-confirms-Scarponi-is-currently-suspended-meeting-about-his-future-set-to-take-place-soon.aspx#ixzz2KmSKRJ9G
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #433 on: February 13, 2013, 13:44 »
    hmm - interesting
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #434 on: February 13, 2013, 13:59 »
    Lampre Merida confirms Scarponi is currently suspended, meeting about his future set to take place soon

    Read more: http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/13933/Lampre-Merida-confirms-Scarponi-is-currently-suspended-meeting-about-his-future-set-to-take-place-soon.aspx#ixzz2KmSKRJ9G

    hmm - interesting

    He's done his time (again), so why the continued internal suspension? I refuse to believe that this is about the team suddenly discovering principles in a some sort of quasi-orgiastic epiphany of rectitude.

    This has to go deeper. There's something else going on with Scarponi that could damage Lampre again. Perhaps he has learned that he will have to give evidence against Ferrari or something of the kind. Based on the usual Italian timetable, that should be upcoming this year, along with Mantova which is also an embarassment for Lampre, albeit from 2009.

    But that all happened years ago. Cycling has changed...

    Or maybe J-Rod is just better value and saving Scarpo's salary helps them to afford to less scandal-prone Catalan.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #435 on: February 13, 2013, 16:56 »
    Or maybe J-Rod is just better value and saving Scarpo's salary helps them to afford to less scandal-prone Catalan.
    That was my first thought.
    However, wouldn't they still have to pay Scarponi's salary, even if he's suspended, when there's no "real" reason to suspend him?
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #436 on: February 13, 2013, 17:15 »
    That was my first thought.
    However, wouldn't they still have to pay Scarponi's salary, even if he's suspended, when there's no "real" reason to suspend him?

    They could easily claim he violated the team code and failed to disclose his involvement with Ferrari. He would reply that he didn't know it was illegal and they would counter something along the lines of 'you can tell the press and the public whatever you like but between this team and CONI, I think we all know that ignorance is no defence, Michele.'
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #437 on: February 13, 2013, 17:31 »
    Maybe they are trying to make it very clear where they stand before Mantova?

    As this article suggests: http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/11/news/lampre-shifts-gears-ahead-of-mantova-storm_265025
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    « Reply #438 on: February 13, 2013, 17:44 »
    Maybe they are trying to make it very clear where they stand before Mantova?

    As this article suggests: http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/11/news/lampre-shifts-gears-ahead-of-mantova-storm_265025

    Ah well, Lampre turning anti-doping after sponsoring 21 years of doping. Suppose it could happen...
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #439 on: February 14, 2013, 01:33 »
    He's done his time (again), so why the continued internal suspension?

    he has - but seriously, he has been suspended twice now ... he gets done for his dealings with Fuentes - and the first thing he does on his return to cycling is gets involved with Ferrari?   and then tries to say 'he didnt know'?

    cmon.

    I dont blame Lampre for suspending him (there own history notwithstanding) ... at some stage someone has to say enough is enough

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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #440 on: February 16, 2013, 08:36 »
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/series/drugs-in-sport-special

    Guardian drugs in sports special

    Lots of reading
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #441 on: February 16, 2013, 09:16 »
    Procycling: Based on what you saw and heard when you were at the Change Cycling Now conference in December, are you optimistic about the future of the sport?


    Bassons: I am optimistic but the current situation isn’t good. In the peloton, it’s still going pretty quickly [smiles knowingly]. You don’t need muscles to go fast, apparently. That’s what we saw this year. And then there’s the way they’re recovering. Beyond that, I’ve never made a distinction between doping and doping behaviour that’s not forbidden but most people do make that distinction. They’ll go right to the line, even bending the rules if they have to. The one thing I hope comes out of this conference above all else, though, is for an independent agency to take over anti-doping. That’s absolutely essential.

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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #442 on: February 16, 2013, 09:57 »
    "@juliansavulescu: Legalise PEDs and we'll prosper, says ethicist http://t.co/KTxQBQbY via @smh"

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    ONE of Australia's pre-eminent thinkers, Oxford University professor Julian Savulescu, has called for world sporting authorities to legalise performance-enhancing substances.
    Savulescu, a world-renowned philosopher and bioethicist, has argued for a decade that prohibition doesn't work but instead promotes links to organised crime.

    The goal at the moment is to pick up anything that has a performance-enhancing effect, no matter how small the amount. That's obviously an unachievable task,'' Savulescu told Fairfax Media from England. ''You can't pick up a molecule of testosterone or a single molecule of growth hormone, yet that is what they're trying to do. Instead, the goalposts should be shifted to harm reduction, where you pick up unsafe amounts or unsafe practices.

    http://m.smh.com.au/sport/legalise-peds-and-well-prosper-says-ethicist-20130216-2ejvc.html

    Interesting article.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #443 on: February 16, 2013, 20:36 »
    For me, his logic falls down really badly in assuming that all we want to see is people riding fast and winning races.

    Personally, the best thing about bike racing - and in fact any sport that we get to watch - is the humanity and the effort that is involved. I'd far rather watch a good fight for position than a machine like domination for win.

    Cycling's always had a tradition of celebrating the effort as much as the victory

    I agree with you totally (and always loved Fignon too). I just think the point is that it seems scientifically impossible (and financially too expensive?) to police doping effectively? It's what would be ideal v what is realistic, and I hate having to choose between the lesser of two evils, but?

    Perhaps he does have a point re the minimum amounts to test for? And also revising what's on the banned list? I certainly do not approve of condoning the use of PEDs in competition.
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    « Reply #444 on: February 18, 2013, 11:31 »
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    Cycling is very intense and so some time away gives you perspective and lets you reflect about how you do your job, how you handle the physical and the mental approach, all the factors that go into your performance. The new energy helps you go back and make thinks better. Guys like Lance Armstrong and Laurent Jalabert came back as better riders after they took a break. I hope the same happens to me."

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/evans-confident-for-new-season-after-good-start-in-oman

    Yes thats right ..............................

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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #446 on: February 18, 2013, 13:11 »
    Hushovd angry at Armstrong for doping

    Question: Thor, did you dope?

    Answer:
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    "No" would have been better.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #447 on: February 18, 2013, 19:48 »
    "No" would have been better.

    Well said.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #448 on: February 18, 2013, 19:54 »
    There has been some discussion 're translation copy and paste via cycling news.

    Fwiw
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #449 on: February 18, 2013, 22:05 »
    I found the actual original source:
    http://tv.nrk.no/serie/dagsrevyen/nnfa02021613/16-02-2013
    (click on "9. Thor Hushovd om Armstrong og doping")

    I'll have to listen through it carefully to see 1) if the question was that explicit ("did you dope?"), and 2) what exactly he answered (if I can understand his Norwegian...).
    But from the short skip I've done now I'd say the question wasn't as clear cut as that, and the answer given by CN is somewhat paraphrased.
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