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Re: Darkside - General news
« Reply #691 on: July 02, 2013, 13:07 »
Vande Velde bittersweet over final ride at Tour de France

good read imo
I agree.
One part of the interview stood out to me:
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“We got laughed at,” Vande Velde said. “People said, ‘what are you talking about? You don’t do anything? Nothing at all?’ I got laughed at a lot.”
I wonder who was laughing at them?
I didn't read anything like that in his USADA testimony.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #692 on: July 02, 2013, 13:12 »
    I agree.
    One part of the interview stood out to me:I wonder who was laughing at them?
    I didn't read anything like that in his USADA testimony.

    2006 and onwards was not really mentioned much in the USADA report as far as I can remember
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #694 on: July 02, 2013, 23:42 »
    Today's TTT was the fastest in History, 57.8 kph.

    Hitch makes an interesting point on another forum,

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    Its still significant though. the Tour ttts from the Armstrong era may have been long but there have been plenty of short ttts in recent years.

    The Giro ttt has been 25km (todays distance) or shorter every year since 2007 apart from 2010 which was a few k longer. And that includes the mega doped 2007 2008 and 2009 giros of course, all of which were strong contenders for the most doped gt of all time prize.

    The Vuelta since 2006 has had 5 ttts, all of them 16km or less. In the Armstrong (Heras) era the Vuelta had 3 team time trials, all of them similar lengh to today (24, 28 and 28km respectively)

    Also most of those ttts were stage 1 and didnt come after 3 days of racing, a transfer and half the peloton nursing injuries.

    Like most team time trials today was a circuit that finished where it started so it cant be explained by wind.

    There are other variables to consider like how technical the circuit is, and it would be difficult to make direct comparisons between this and any other specific ttt.
    But when you have a sample size of 6 ttts from the giro 8 ttts from the Vuelta, and 1 from the Tour, of this length or shorter from the last decade, and this is by far the fastest one, it does seem to at least offer a peripheral challenge the narrative that things are getting slower.

    Even if we assume 2011 Tour was clean, 2011 and 2012 vueltas were clean and 2013 and 2012 giros were clean, this is still faster (and quite a bit) than all 10 ttts of this distance or less from the "doped era". (that cq has recorded since it formed anyway)

    Someone has some explaining to do about a cleanER peloton.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #695 on: July 03, 2013, 00:05 »
    That was just a response to an ongoing conversation there about the significance of this ttt being "the fastest ever". I read the same thing on twitter earlier so I thought it had backing and i was just responding to that debate.

    However when I checked the results myself giro 2011 was faster, so this was 2nd of 15 ( or 11 if you prefer) not 1st. Still important perhaps,  but not as much.

    My post was just brainstorming anyway.  other people will know better than me how important the other factors are in a ttt. The circuit today at first glance does not strike me as particularly fast, (no elevation lost,  has quite a lot of turns and wind works both ways) but again, i dont know exactly how it compares to others. Nevertheless it is surprising that  given all this hype about everyone going so much slower, the ttt  was so much faster compared to others.



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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #696 on: July 03, 2013, 00:29 »
    there were some turns, but basically a lot of people were predicting a very fast time because it was essentially out and back - straight enough (though a few technical turns at the start) and one for 'the big engines'

    But yes - wind not really a factor as its both ways, no elevation lost ... you would think there would have been TTT's with those factors involved.

    Interesting thoughts.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #697 on: July 03, 2013, 00:39 »
    CQ have that TTT at 21.5km, but CN/wiki/steephill and others have it at 19.3 so if that is the case it would be slower by a couple of kilometres an hour or so.

    Thanks for that. I have a pre giro booklet from a Spanish cycling magazine from May 2011 and it also says 19.3.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #698 on: July 03, 2013, 06:48 »
    "@cyclopathy: Lance:  "The Tour de France? No. Impossible to win without doping.” Problem is, we hear the truth the whole time, but we believe in lies"

    "@cyclopathy: @Ben_M_Berry @lancearmstrong it will NEVER stop. As we speak, somewhere a drug designer is preparing the next undetectable substance"

    "@cyclopathy: Dear UCI, Pantani is NOT the problem, the problem is the ones still riding and that you dont retest their few years ago samples"

    @cyclopathy: @Ben_M_Berry @lancearmstrong I do not blame UCI either, they had to "protect" the sport...UEFA does it, all federations do it"

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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #699 on: July 03, 2013, 11:13 »
    Bölts: unavoidable pressure to dope in the late 1990s

    Pressure from the sponsor, the fear of not getting a new contract, and lying to one's family and friends – these are the things that Bölts said he had to deal with.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #700 on: July 05, 2013, 14:19 »
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #701 on: July 06, 2013, 17:52 »
    A good read about Sandro Donati

    http://www.chrisharrisonwriting.com/journalism/_3/
    Very interesting piece, and still worth a read 10 years after.
    Thanks for posting.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #703 on: July 08, 2013, 21:12 »
    In Engels?
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #704 on: July 08, 2013, 21:25 »
    Oh God... I'm too rusty to translate... L'Arri? Help a brother out here mate...!
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #705 on: July 08, 2013, 21:29 »
    http://au.eurosport.com/cycling/tour-de-france/2013/brailsford-controversial-leinders-an-error-of-judgment_sto3834385/story.shtml

    "The whole thing is my responsibility. I will take that squarely on the chin. It's something I regret, it's a mistake," Brailsford told a news conference.

    "I should not have done it. I made an error of judgment."
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #706 on: July 08, 2013, 21:32 »
    I've fed it into Google and itbdoesnt seem to be anything new.
    Brailsford says he should never have hired him, it was a mistake and he has to take responsibility for that.


    (Not quite sure what taking responsibility for it means because I personally don't think he has)
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #707 on: July 08, 2013, 22:09 »
    Oh God... I'm too rusty to translate... L'Arri? Help a brother out here mate...!

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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #708 on: July 08, 2013, 22:10 »
    it's from today's press conference, so it's the same quote as in the link to Eurosport I posted up there
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #709 on: July 08, 2013, 23:07 »
    here you go, the whole press conference in English
    https://soundcloud.com/cycling-central/podcast-8-july-2013-team-sky

    Brailsford puts his best pr spin on it, but my conclusion is that Froome is nice but dim - Sunday revealed it to the peloton.

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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #710 on: July 12, 2013, 12:15 »
    Maikin, Solomennikov and Ovechkin (all Rusvelo) tested positive in the russian championship's

    http://biciciclismo.com/cas/site/noticias-ficha.asp?id=63888

    Rusada has not published any additional information yet, regarding what substance and so on

    Edit: original source (in russian)
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #711 on: July 12, 2013, 13:01 »
    That makes 4 positives in 3 months for Rusvelo.

    Which seeing as they are a member of MPCC means that they will be obliged to suspend themselves..

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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #712 on: July 12, 2013, 17:07 »
    All these Russian positives is really odd. Is this happening in other sports too?
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    « Reply #713 on: July 12, 2013, 17:13 »
    That makes 4 positives in 3 months for Rusvelo.

    Which seeing as they are a member of MPCC means that they will be obliged to suspend themselves..

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    ...for 8 days, on from the day of the next world tour race - but Rusvelo is not doing any more world tour races anyway this year, as far as I know
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    « Reply #714 on: July 12, 2013, 17:17 »
    All these Russian positives is really odd. Is this happening in other sports too?

    yes, it is, there were like ~30 positives in athletics in Russia since last year (this article says there were ~two dozens, but it's from april and since then there were a couple more as far as I know)
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #715 on: July 12, 2013, 17:33 »
    Doesn't make a difference currently as anyways suspended themselves.. for now.. Lol what a fail this is: fp

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    The Russian RusVelo team announced doping suspensions for three of its riders on Friday and cited the use of an asthma medication prescribed by a team doctor as the source of the banned substance found in all three. According to the UCI Pro Continental team, Andrey Solomennikov, Roman Maikin, and Artem Ovechkin registered positive tests for fenoterol at the Russian national championships in late June.

    Fenoterol, an adrenergic agonist, acts as a bronchodialator, opening the lungs. The substance is banned for in-competition use by the World Anti-Doping Code.

    “The internal team investigation proved that the drug was contained in asthma medication used by the athletes for acute asthma episodes. The medication which contained the prohibited substance was prescribed to the athletes by the team doctor,” the team said in a statement. “The team will now apply all appropriate sanctions to the team doctor for this mistake. The riders are currently temporarily suspended from competitions and team trainings until the decision of the Disciplinary Committee of the national anti-doping agency, RUSADA.

    “Rusvelo management reminds that the main principle of the team is zero tolerance for doping. We support clean cycling and we intend to continue doing that.”

    http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/07/news/three-rusvelo-positive-for-banned-bronchodialator_294822
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #717 on: July 22, 2013, 16:24 »
    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/cas-rules-uv-light-blood-treatments-in-germany-were-not-doping

    A strange case
    Didn't think too much about this, but it seems pretty extreme to be prepared to have blood extracted to undergo some grey-area treatment at age 18.
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    « Reply #718 on: July 22, 2013, 16:27 »
    yep, it is, but I still think at that age it's most likely not the athlete to be blamed
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #719 on: July 22, 2013, 16:39 »
    That's true, you don't really know what you're doing at that age.
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