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Re: Darkside - General news
« Reply #840 on: December 13, 2013, 18:42 »
http://deportes.elpais.com/deportes/2013/12/13/actualidad/1386934000_620861.html

tour of Portugal winner Marque positive

not sure to what

cortisone

http://www.biscuittinmedia.com/alejandro-marque-cortisone-confusion-tour-of-portugal-2013/

.... But, so what, it was only cortisone! Really? While the fight against EPO, blood doping and Human Growth Hormone might hog headlines, but it appears glucocorticoids have been making a big comeback. Here’s a weird thing. In cycling, corticosteroids are banned on race days, but not at any other time. So, you have a series of performance enhancing products (the glucocorticoid family, widely called ‘cortico’), which you can take, in massive doses, during training, without fear. As long as you stop your ‘course’ ahead of your race day, you’re clean as a whistle, good to go.

Do you see how that works? You can take corticosteroids (Synacthen, Kenacort, Decadron and the rest) and charge up like a mule while you train between races. And if an anti-doping team rock up and demand an out of competition sample, well, no worries, you pee freely. Does that make sense to anyone outside of Wada?...

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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #841 on: December 13, 2013, 19:02 »
    So, the important thing would be exactly when he got the cortisone injection.
    If it was 8 days or more before the start of the Volta, and the traces found were left over from that, he could get off.
    Not that that would be fair, or that I necessarily believe he didn't get cortison closer to or during the race, but rules are rules.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #842 on: December 13, 2013, 19:15 »
    Anyone who doesn't "get" the MPCC should now understand one of the key elements of that group's agreement: cortisol levels are tested in addition to UCI testing. This is filling a gap in the doping controls.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #847 on: December 18, 2013, 16:54 »
    UCI

    18.12.2013

    The decision to provisionally suspend this rider was made in response to a report from the WADA-accredited laboratory in Beijing indicating an adverse analytical finding of clenbuterol in a urine sample collected from him in a test during the Tour of Taihu Lake on 5 November 2013.

    The provisional suspension of Mr. Jonathan Breyne remains in force until a hearing panel convened by his national federation determines whether he has committed an anti-doping rule violation under Article 21 of the UCI Anti-Doping Rules.

    Mr. Breyne has the right to request and attend the analysis of his B sample.

    Under the World Anti-Doping Code and the UCI Anti-Doping Rules, the UCI is unable to provide any additional information at this time.

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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #848 on: December 20, 2013, 10:37 »
    comments I found on CN forum about Jens Voigt



    Good. Plenty of people enjoy Froome killing everyone on the climbs and telling tales of parasites in the jungle.
    Welcome to the club.






    Yeah, not a fan of that. It's boring. It's ridiculous.
    Jens is never boring. Jens struggles, Jens attacks, Jens fails and Jens sometimes wins. Then he talks that straight-up I-love-cycling-my-face-off talk in that Shprockets accent and I lap it up. Jens doesn't make up tropical diseases or tell me his dope was for his dog. Or Frank's. Jens says leave us alone and what do you expect–we have kids to feed.

    The difference between myself and your imaginary club is that I don't think Jens is clean, I don't tell people Jens is clean, and I don't bludgeon logic and probability into a corner so I can live with the idea that Jens is clean.

    I love cycling. Jens loves cycling. We all love cycling. I can't bring myself to get worked up about Jens. I guess I'm part of the problem.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #849 on: December 20, 2013, 13:05 »
    Estonian Dr starts a Baltic bus

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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #850 on: December 20, 2013, 17:03 »

    UCI: Provisional suspension for Jonathan Breyne (BEL) | via @cobblesandhills

    — vetooo (@ammattipyoraily) December 18, 2013


    makes me feel sick espeically if this is as we expect food contamination
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #851 on: December 20, 2013, 18:28 »


    makes me feel sick espeically if this is as we expect food contamination

    Yeah, poor kid he´s only 22.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #854 on: December 29, 2013, 20:30 »
    Saw this on the other side, very interesting: global anti-doping tests completed in 2012. Haven't managed to track down the source though.
    Edit: Aaah, tracked down source from @sportingintel using http://www.wada-ama.org/Documents/Resources/Testing-Figures/WADA-2012-Anti-Doping-Testing-Figures-Report-EN.pdf



    All sports need to get down to business, but football and tennis, particularly tennis, are very disappointing.
    However nothing concrete can be extrapolated from here without actual numbers of participants.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #855 on: December 29, 2013, 20:38 »
    Saw this on the other side, very interesting: global anti-doping tests completed in 2012. Haven't managed to track down the source though.



    All sports need to get down to business, but football and tennis, particularly tennis, are very disappointing.
    However nothing concrete can be extrapolated from here without actual numbers of participants.

    This graph really points out why I believe cycling, however dirty it may be, is likely one of the cleanest sport. I heard from a chess player I know that almost all the chess pros dope with amphetamines and other attention sharpening products, basically because there is no controls. There have also been found a high number of ADHD medication dealers in american colleges, where people boost their test scores that way. Personally I never understood why there is no test for PED's at exams. But to get back on topic I think the graph is great because it highlights how easy it is to dope in other sports.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #856 on: December 30, 2013, 13:40 »
    The graph is from the wada reports, and is very misleading. There's a thread about it somewhere.I think it includes bp samples. Would need to check, buy the graph is balls.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #857 on: December 30, 2013, 13:44 »
    Just checked, that graph is purely bio passport samples taken!
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #858 on: December 30, 2013, 18:19 »
    Made my own graph using all samples (though not biopassport samples), not only biopassport samples. I am not sure how accurate it is, but here it is:

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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #859 on: December 30, 2013, 19:21 »
    Made my own graph using all samples (though not biopassport samples), not only biopassport samples. I am not sure how accurate it is, but here it is:



    A perfect example why you should not belive that a quantity is a quality in itself. By looking at the chart one is lead to believe that football, athletics and cycling are doing a bang up job in their work against doping.

    Conversely, one should compare quantity of samples against the magnitude of athletes. Moreover, a much more interesting information is how many substances were tested for per sample. The latter is often overlooked/neglected by WADA and ADAs.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #860 on: January 03, 2014, 14:41 »
    UCI to start testing hair as well as blood and urine.
    http://feltet.dk/nyheder/dopingtest_af_haar_paa_vej/ (danish)

    This will allow doping products to be detected for a longer time than before, until the hair is cut of in essence.

    so no worries for Chris Horner what so ever.
     

    Seems like an easy test to avoid, when one can simply just shave to avoid being tested.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #861 on: January 03, 2014, 14:59 »
    UCI to start testing hair as well as blood and urine.
    http://feltet.dk/nyheder/dopingtest_af_haar_paa_vej/ (danish)

    This will allow doping products to be detected for a longer time than before, until the hair is cut of in essence.

    so no worries for Chris Horner what so ever.
     

    Seems like an easy test to avoid, when one can simply just shave to avoid being tested.

    Begs the question ... does it have to be hair from the head?  :-x
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #862 on: January 03, 2014, 15:06 »
    Begs the question ... does it have to be hair from the head?  :-x

    No, but the times would be different for all of them, I mean if you doped and didn't cut your hair you could be caught maybe one and a half year later, however if you waxed everything every week, surely you cold not be caught after much more than a week. Seems an easy test to avoid imo.

    Hopefully we won't see a completely shaved peloton in 2014 though, like when everybody in the nineties all of a sudden started carrying round thermos, because tea was the new thing you know.
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    « Reply #863 on: January 03, 2014, 15:14 »
    No, but the times would be different for all of them, I mean if you doped and didn't cut your hair you could be caught maybe one and a half year later, however if you waxed everything every week, surely you cold not be caught after much more than a week. Seems an easy test to avoid imo.

    Hopefully we won't see a completely shaved peloton in 2014 though, like when everybody in the nineties all of a sudden started carrying round thermos, because tea was the new thing you know.

    Can't forget the systematic bleaching too. That went through the peloton like wildfire when hair testing was mooted back then.

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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #865 on: January 03, 2014, 16:15 »
    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/breyne-says-internet-forum-comments-drove-him-to-suicide

    The actual quote from Breyne is milder than the headline suggests, because I was ready to get uppity about it - the very idea of suggesting that fans are somehow critical in an aberration of behaviour such as attempted suicide does not sit well with me. It just seems remarkable to me that he should be sitting at a computer reading cycling forums when news of his positive comes out.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #866 on: January 03, 2014, 16:41 »
    it should also be "attempted suicide".
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #867 on: January 04, 2014, 08:00 »
    63 yrs old and ex master UCI champion full of EPO  http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/12/31/3498676/legendary-local-bicycle-racer.html, I am even more sure that Tony is only clean guy here.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #868 on: January 07, 2014, 08:20 »
    http://www.biciciclismo.com/cas/site/noticias-ficha.asp?id=68379

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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #869 on: January 09, 2014, 09:50 »
    http://crankpunk.com/2014/01/09/doping-does-nothing-ever-change/

    great small read on reforms on how doping positives should be handled by the UCI, support of athletes.

    Crazy the article from 1973.

    I still this the cyclists association should be doing the support, but they can not organise a pee up in a brewery.
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