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Re: Darkside - General news
« Reply #90 on: April 16, 2012, 09:53 »

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But there are a lot of guys who go out of their way to be transparent and try to regain the respect of the fans. They obviously care a lot more about the sport.”

Transparency is admitting what you took, how long you were taking it for, where you bought it, and who administered it! Not too many have done that. Manzano is 1 that i know, Floyd is another.

Edit: Just remembered Kohl is another.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #91 on: April 16, 2012, 10:04 »
    Transparency is admitting what you took, how long you were taking it for, where you bought it, and who administered it! Not too many have done that. Manzano is 1 that i know, Floyd is another.

    Edit: Just remembered Kohl is another.

    I guess we can add

    Tyler to the list now
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #92 on: April 16, 2012, 10:09 »
    I guess we can add

    Tyler to the list now

    I did not see the 60 mins on CBS in USA but did he list out his history of doping or just in relation to USPS?
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #93 on: April 16, 2012, 10:11 »
    I'm glad these interviews were conducted from the pov of general awareness but I'm not sure if they tell us anything particularly new. Indeed you can almost hear the sighs of resignation or reluctance.

    Sometimes I think it would be better to do interviews on condition of anonymity. That way, we might get a glimpse of something more than the thin veneer of respectability that covers up all those vested interests.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #94 on: April 16, 2012, 10:15 »
    I'm glad these interviews were conducted from the pov of general awareness but I'm not sure if they tell us anything particularly new. Indeed you can almost hear the sighs of resignation or reluctance.

    Sometimes I think it would be better to do interviews on condition of anonymity. That way, we might get a glimpse of something more than the thin veneer of respectability that covers up all those vested interests.

    I agree. But maybe it would have been better to stick the 1 or 2 anonymous in their along with these interviews. But they could've used Manzono's well documented doping as an example.

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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #95 on: April 16, 2012, 10:18 »
    I did not see the 60 mins on CBS in USA but did he list out his history of doping or just in relation to USPS?

    there you go benotti





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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #96 on: April 16, 2012, 10:52 »
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #97 on: April 18, 2012, 20:41 »
    http://news.yahoo.com/illegal-drugs-available-runup-olympics-083735064--spt.html

    First time I heard of genetic doping/gene splice doping was when "My Lance," gave an interview, discussing doping after retirement 1.0. Lance said,'It is important to nip genetic doping in the bud, as it will be undetectable, and proving genetic doping will be impossible.' Lance always held the Olympics in high regard, although he admitted that doping has always been around the Olympics, since the first Olympics, where the Greeks and others doped with cocaine. I guess Lance was reading history books many others never have seen.
    Be that as it may, in the yahoo article, they mention undetectable doping products, which as far as I know started happening after Simpson died, and drug testing took off. Watching cycling in the 70s and reading International Cycling sport, Mirror du Cyclisme, it was obvious that chemists were flipping molecules and creating not yet banned, or undetectable PEDs. WADA has its work cut out for them. What did they say, 35 positive EPO tests out of 235,000  drug tests?
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #99 on: April 19, 2012, 10:51 »


    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/could-another-positive-doping-case-push-holczer-to-leave-katusha

    Sometimes the things people say come back to haunt them. Could this be true for Holczer this season?

    There have not been many whole-team collapses in pro cycling. It takes a lot to tear one down with the main factor being sponsor withdrawal, something which I don't see ever being a problem for Katusha. There are plenty of oligarchs with money to launder.
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    « Reply #100 on: April 19, 2012, 14:32 »
    The Italian National Anti-Doping Tribunal has today issued its verdict in the Riccardo Ricco doping case, banning the 28-year-old for 12 years after he admitted to self-administering a blood transfusion in February 2011.
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    « Reply #101 on: April 19, 2012, 15:08 »
    The Italian National Anti-Doping Tribunal has today issued its verdict in the Riccardo Ricco doping case, banning the 28-year-old for 12 years after he admitted to self-administering a blood transfusion in February 2011.

    ... = a life time sentence. I hope he manages to get his life back on track.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #102 on: April 19, 2012, 18:30 »
     If you can be bothered to listen to their latest podcast:
    http://www.realpeloton.com/
    ...........and wade through a lot of dinner time prattle, in amongst the general cycling chat,
    Matt Rendell makes a couple of comments, suggesting that Denis Menchov and a certain diminutive Venezuelan are soon to be busted.

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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #103 on: April 19, 2012, 18:33 »
    If you can be bothered to listen to their latest podcast:
    http://www.realpeloton.com/
    ...........and wade through a lot of dinner time prattle, in amongst the general cycling chat,
    Matt Rendell makes a couple of comments, suggesting that Denis Menchov and a certain diminutive Venezuelan are soon to be busted.

    Thats some big news if it happens
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #104 on: April 19, 2012, 18:35 »
    If you can be bothered to listen to their latest podcast:
    http://www.realpeloton.com/
    ...........and wade through a lot of dinner time prattle, in amongst the general cycling chat,
    Matt Rendell makes a couple of comments, suggesting that Denis Menchov and a certain diminutive Venezuelan are soon to be busted.

    Interesting. Begs the question: whence does Rendell get his insider info? But you can figure the sort of spin they'd put on it:

    Rujano would be sent back to the old country with tail between legs and much would be made of his "difficult nature" in Europe, isolating him from everyone else in the bunch (and therefore le métier). Vultures will continue to circle around Savio whose team is registered in Venezuela.

    And Menchov (who clocked 9 on the ABP-linked L'Equipe list, no?) is bordering on ancient anyway. That could be written up as an ageing rider desperate to "keep his finger on the knob of youth". Then Holczer to leave Katusha?
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #105 on: April 20, 2012, 03:46 »
    It was rumored last year that if Katusha had another positive drug test it would fold.(Last year.)
    I guess that problem was "fixed." It would be sad to see Menchov go down.
    Savio, "The Little Prince," is bigger than cycling, no problem there.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #106 on: April 20, 2012, 12:43 »
    BOA expects to lose court battle with Wada over drugs ban

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/olympics/17781706
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #107 on: April 20, 2012, 13:17 »
    Interesting. Begs the question: whence does Rendell get his insider info? But you can figure the sort of spin they'd put on it:

    Rujano would be sent back to the old country with tail between legs and much would be made of his "difficult nature" in Europe, isolating him from everyone else in the bunch (and therefore le métier). Vultures will continue to circle around Savio whose team is registered in Venezuela.

    And Menchov (who clocked 9 on the ABP-linked L'Equipe list, no?) is bordering on ancient anyway. That could be written up as an ageing rider desperate to "keep his finger on the knob of youth". Then Holczer to leave Katusha?

    there is such a dark side to pro cycling who knows what goes on.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #113 on: April 26, 2012, 13:28 »
    http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/apr/25/san-diego-grand-jury-investigating-cyclist-landis-/
    Floyd falls down.
    Kick him.

    Floyd gets desperate.
    Kick him again.

    Floyd admits.
    Kick him some more.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #114 on: April 26, 2012, 19:21 »
    Floyd falls down.
    Kick him.

    Floyd gets desperate.
    Kick him again.

    Floyd admits.
    Kick him some more.

    Floyd had his chance when Greg called him out.
    Since then Floyd has made more and more bad decisions.
    As his Mennonite brothers said about Floyd, sometimes good people do bad things.

    Floyd did say he would pay back those who supported him in the Floyd Fairness Fund.

    Well Floyd......where's the money?

    Floyd needs to truly repent.

    It isn't about USPS, Lord Armstrong, or Floyds' past.

    It is about Floyds' future.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #115 on: April 27, 2012, 00:44 »
    I actually dont have a problem with them taking action against Floyd.

    He did raise funds from the public under false pretenses, and that is not ok for me.

    The fact that Lance Armstrong (or any number of other people) did whatever he did and got away with it, doesnt make Floyds actions ok.

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    « Reply #116 on: April 27, 2012, 06:07 »


    Can you learn to quote properly?  :fp  how are you sure that he doesn't fully repent?
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    « Reply #117 on: April 27, 2012, 06:25 »
    Can you learn to quote properly?  :fp  how are you sure that he doesn't fully repent?
    If he repented, it seems that he would have done it long ago, not at a convenient time.
    Personally, I feel sorry for Floyd. He is a nice person who was caught in a maze of deceit.
    So much of it was not of his own making, he was playing the same game as all of them.
    So sorry to see Floyd as a fall guy. I hope the best for him. His old cronies need to bail him out.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #118 on: April 27, 2012, 08:53 »
    If he repented, it seems that he would have done it long ago, not at a convenient time.
    Personally, I feel sorry for Floyd. He is a nice person who was caught in a maze of deceit.
    So much of it was not of his own making, he was playing the same game as all of them.
    So sorry to see Floyd as a fall guy. I hope the best for him. His old cronies need to bail him out.

    This sums it up nicely. I don't know if he's a nice person or not (I suspect it doesn't matter) but he must be wondering when it's all going to end. A painful process indeed, but a necessary one. :o
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #119 on: April 27, 2012, 09:10 »
    If he repented, it seems that he would have done it long ago, not at a convenient time.
    Personally, I feel sorry for Floyd. He is a nice person who was caught in a maze of deceit.
    So much of it was not of his own making, he was playing the same game as all of them.
    So sorry to see Floyd as a fall guy. I hope the best for him. His old cronies need to bail him out.

    How do any of us know where Floyd is at? He may have repented, but not publicly. When you see how many fans actually care about doping and how many have put Floyd down for what he has done so far, he is damned if he does and if he doesn't.

    He was caught in a maze of deceit and i still get the impression that he is not out of it.

    Floyd is currently in a state of purgatory, not able to reach the promised land and not wanting to descend into hell, to use a religious analogy.

    I too hope that he can move on and the sooner the better.
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