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Re: Darkside - General news
« Reply #660 on: June 13, 2013, 10:40 »
Remember Jaja lived in Spain and wanted to escape the amount of testing the French Federation did.

That's what used to annoy me about him. Omerta was and still is about keeping your mouth shut, but Jalabert never did. He railed against cycling officialdom and the authorities, he threw hissy fits and walked off races (in order to avoid testing). Despite retirement and until the recent Senate hearing - during which he struck a surprisingly weak note - he continued to moan his miserable face off.

Post-Armstrong and post-Puerto, there is nothing left of Jalabert's stance worth defending. The walls are breached and the keep has fallen.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #661 on: June 19, 2013, 18:06 »
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #662 on: June 23, 2013, 21:43 »
    http://cyclingtips.com.au/2013/06/a-tour-of-the-orica-greenedge-service-course/



    Interesting to look at all the supplements taken. That's a lot of tablets!

    Easy to see the 'slippery slope', anything legal that may present an advantage is being taken. And that's fair enough. But the strong moral opponents to doping just don't seem to get, that one year you can wake up and 2-3-4 of the regular supplements you had been taking or were being told to take are now on the banned list. So you move onto something else... this is nothing special to cycling. It's modern marketing at it's worst.

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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #663 on: June 23, 2013, 22:06 »
    http://cyclingtips.com.au/2013/06/a-tour-of-the-orica-greenedge-service-course/



    Interesting to look at all the supplements taken. That's a lot of tablets!

    Easy to see the 'slippery slope', anything legal that may present an advantage is being taken. And that's fair enough. But the strong moral opponents to doping just don't seem to get, that one year you can wake up and 2-3-4 of the regular supplements you had been taking or were being told to take are now on the banned list. So you move onto something else... this is nothing special to cycling. It's modern marketing at it's worst.



    You can also see why some of the claims in the past by riders of being doped without their knowledge are not that far fetched.

    Im more disturbed by the poor grammar of "3 races days" "5 races days"
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #664 on: June 23, 2013, 23:47 »
    http://cyclingtips.com.au/2013/06/a-tour-of-the-orica-greenedge-service-course/



    Interesting to look at all the supplements taken. That's a lot of tablets!

    Easy to see the 'slippery slope', anything legal that may present an advantage is being taken. And that's fair enough. But the strong moral opponents to doping just don't seem to get, that one year you can wake up and 2-3-4 of the regular supplements you had been taking or were being told to take are now on the banned list. So you move onto something else... this is nothing special to cycling. It's modern marketing at it's worst.
    Completely agree.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #665 on: June 24, 2013, 21:49 »
    Rutkiewicz tests positive



    Polish rider Marek Rutkiewicz was arrested at Orly airport in the early days of 2005 carrying a hoard of drugs bound for Cofidis riders. It was just the beginning of an affair that brought down two teams.

    Despite being convicted for possession, Rutkiewicz cooperated and escaped a heavy sentence. He even managed to salvage his career back in the old country and, now still only 32, he is regarded somewhat as the wise old man of Polish cycling.

    In last month's Bałtyk-Karkonosze Tour however, it seems that the Pole, currently riding for CCC-Polkowice, tested positive during the race. Details are still very thin - the substance and the precise date are still unknown - but Rutkiewicz's team confirmed that it had suspended him last Friday.

    http://proteam.cccsport.pl/news,721,oswiadczenie-zarzadu-ekipy-ccc-polsat-polkowice-w-sprawie-marka-rutkiewicza.html
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #666 on: June 24, 2013, 22:31 »
    Report is that Androni has suspended Francesco Reda, a rider I very nearly added to my Index of Suspicion.

    http://www.direttaciclismo.it/news/doping/francesco-reda-sospeso-13030.php (IT)

    http://www.wielerflits.nl/nieuws/22883/androni-venezuela-schorst-francesco-reda.html (NL)
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #667 on: June 25, 2013, 00:35 »
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    also the 2008 tour have come out only at 4 positive epo wax when in fact the list was 48 but how come nn is out?
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #668 on: June 25, 2013, 03:02 »
    Did this news item feature here yet?

    http://www.volkskrant.nl/vk/nl/2698/Sport/article/detail/3463774/2013/06/23/Spaanse-politie-rolt-dopingbendes-op.dhtml

    Spanish police busts 2 dope rings, arrests 84 suspects, and confiscates 700,000 boxes with performance enhancing products.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #669 on: June 25, 2013, 15:14 »
    Taken from somewhere else, so could be bullsh*t:

    Rasmussen's revelations had more impact that we've not seen.
    Check the news tomorrow. Riis is fliped.
    I'll leave a hint. Who is the most popular danish rider with local fans?

    Where's this coming from?
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #670 on: June 25, 2013, 15:21 »
    A thread about Rasmussen, somehwere else. So as I said it could be nothing more than complete bullsh*t.

    Fair enough. Would have to be one of the Soerensens presumably. But I don't know what if anything of real interest there will be in that.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #671 on: June 25, 2013, 15:27 »
    It would fit with Jesper Worre being cordially shown the door at DCU.
    No embargoed article on Feltet.dk though, yet - I can tell you that much.

    Nicki would make the most sense of the active riders. He's knee-deep in the stuff from the old days, but has made it this far without anything really sticking to him.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #672 on: June 25, 2013, 15:30 »
    The Nicki story has been floating around a while, hasn't it? I seem to remember the Danish press prodding him about it before when the Chicky World stuff was coming out.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #673 on: June 25, 2013, 15:35 »
    It has, but it never made the big news really.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #674 on: June 25, 2013, 15:43 »
    Fus will be looking out for notable absences at tonight's nats event in Danky.  :D
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #675 on: June 25, 2013, 15:46 »
    There's absolutely no reason why any of the Saxo pros should show up there, so their absence wouldn't be unusual. Most of them come from Jylland anyway. Mørkøv is from Kokkedal (about 10 km down the road from where the TTT nationals are held), he might show up.

    I won't myself, though.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #676 on: June 25, 2013, 17:08 »
    The UCI disputes Riccò's claims:

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    UCI statement: Cycling News report on 2008 Tour de France anti-doping

    An article in Cycling News today reported that the Italian rider Riccardo Riccò, who is currently suspended for doping until April 2024, claimed on social media that many more riders had tested positive for EPO at the 2008 Tour de France than the four who were caught.
    Riccò, Stefan Schumacher, Leonardo Piepoli and Bernhard Kohl all returned positive tests at the 2008 Tour. But Riccò claimed on his Twitter account that more riders had tested positive.
    This unsubstantiated claim is totally untrue. In the 2008 Tour de France, the French anti-doping agency (AFLD) was solely responsible for carrying out all anti-doping testing. The UCI was not involved in the testing as the 2008 Tour de France was not on the UCI calendar but was organized as a national event.
    However, any adverse analytical finding from a test that was carried out during the 2008 Tour de France was reported by the lab directly to AFLD with a copy to UCI and WADA and was seen and reviewed by AFLD, UCI and WADA. It is simply not possible for a positive test to be covered up.

    "The UCI was not involved in the testing as the 2008 Tour de France was not on the UCI calendar but was organized as a national event" - why bother with this press release then? They had nothing to do with it, they say.

    "It is simply not possible for a positive test to be covered up" - wording, people. Wording. :fp
    Someone could take this - in and of itself true - statement, and twist it to create more trouble for the UCI. Put in a simple "at this particular Tour", and you're covered. Only that would of course imply some other things... :D
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #677 on: June 26, 2013, 01:40 »
    I envision Ricco in being interrogated in a French police station. The officer says something like "we have 48 names on this list, we already know, tell us everything and maybe we can work something out". Police make up stuff like that all the time.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #678 on: June 26, 2013, 16:48 »
    fits in so many places

    but shane Stokes talks Pat and Lance - http://www.newstalk.ie/UCI-did-not-check-Armstrongs-blood-values-during-his-comeback  interviewed for off the ball
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #679 on: June 26, 2013, 17:17 »
    How could the UCI not be responsible.. Pat said its against WADA rules for them to outsource anti doping :D
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #680 on: June 26, 2013, 17:37 »
    fits in so many places

    but shane Stokes talks Pat and Lance - http://www.newstalk.ie/UCI-did-not-check-Armstrongs-blood-values-during-his-comeback  interviewed for off the ball

    This off the ball team are red hot at the moment and they've signed up Kimmage for the Tour. Brilliant.

    McQuaid should challenge Cookson to a public debate.

    McQuaid would win it on the night.

    But then when the results come in from the media and armchair analysts over the following days, McQuaid would be disqualified for excessive bullsh*tting.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #681 on: June 27, 2013, 17:11 »
    A very good point:
    https://twitter.com/Bonnie_D_Ford/status/350283902394441731
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #682 on: June 27, 2013, 17:15 »
    A very good point:
    https://twitter.com/Bonnie_D_Ford/status/350283902394441731

    Umm why ?

    It is what it is meant to represent , truth and reconciliation.

    Mandela is not the 1st person or last involved in south Africa's cleansing process.

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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #683 on: June 27, 2013, 17:43 »
    In my opinion, she wouldn't have needed to put in the "Mandela" at the end - in fact, she shouldn't have.

    But the point stands.
    Truth and reconciliation committees is what they had in South Africa after the apartheid, or in Rwanda after the 1994 genocide.
    And no matter how important cycling is to us, and how important it is to get doping out of cycling as much as possible, it can under no circumstances compare to those historical events.

    Therefore I think another name should be found. It's only a name.
    If you now say that I've disproven my entire point with that - it IS only a name. But names can be important to people.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #684 on: June 27, 2013, 19:57 »
    For the sake of arguments , who me  :D

    What are going to call it

    Fact and forgiveness.

    Just because something deals with horrible circuit circumstances does not mean the works are not fit for cycling, the meaning is environmental , but we want the true And reconciliation.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #685 on: June 27, 2013, 23:08 »
    Coming Clean
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #686 on: June 28, 2013, 01:39 »
    I'm with you Fus.  I think calling it "truth & reconciliation" is disrespectful and demeaning to the South African people and what they went through.

    We are talking about sport ... not life and death.   Yes our sport needs some kind of process to deal with its issues, but we should call it something else
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    « Reply #687 on: June 28, 2013, 03:22 »
    Truth and reconciliation.... The scheme by which excessive funds are spent for professional who lied through their career to lie after it.

    Call it redistribution of truth, that way Mugabe gets represented.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #688 on: June 28, 2013, 06:12 »
    I think Cookson made some very good points about T&R. It needs a lot of thought put into it first about the possible consequences, as well as consideration to whether the outcomes would be positive. I think Brailsford said something similar.

    A lot of people are having a knee-jerk reaction to it of "ooh, that's a good idea"......... but actually, is it?

    T&R in post-apartheid SA, or Rwanda was about bringing back together a divided community, and stopping the disputes by getting everyone to face up to their wrongdoing.

    I cant see how cycling can be an equivalent. It is one community, all it on it.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #689 on: June 28, 2013, 23:24 »
    Bertagnolli banned for 2 years 10 months for Passport violations.
    Reduced to one year and five months for co-operating. Elible to return at the end of November (but already retired)

    If he wishes to return Bertagnolli will have to pay the UCI 50,000 euro fine (reduced from 98,000 euro)
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