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Re: Darkside - General news
« Reply #720 on: July 22, 2013, 22:57 »
What's baseball?



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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #721 on: July 22, 2013, 23:27 »
    Braun suspended, apparently things about to get really ugly for A-Rod. ESPN saying that there is a lot more evidence on Arod than Braun
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #722 on: July 23, 2013, 05:49 »
    MLB looking tough but crime still pays in baseball.

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    Braun has an $8.5 million salary this year, which means he will forfeit more than $3 million during his suspension. He is owed some $133 million through the 2020 season after signing a $105 million extension two years ago but the Brewers cannot void his contract because of this violation.

    So he gets a $105M extension, almost certainly due to his use of PED's, and this result will only cost him $3M as the team cannot break the contract. Was it worth it? Hell yeah. What a lesson to young players.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #723 on: July 23, 2013, 18:18 »
    Lots of "I know but I can't tell you" posturing going on about the former tour winner alledged to have recently tested positive.

    Won't be long before it gets leaked.

    My three guesses: Valverde, Scarponi, Cobo
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #724 on: July 23, 2013, 18:23 »
    MLB looking tough but crime still pays in baseball.

    So he gets a $105M extension, almost certainly due to his use of PED's, and this result will only cost him $3M as the team cannot break the contract. Was it worth it? Hell yeah. What a lesson to young players.

    Yeah, @Cyclopathy said the best thing would be, if a rider gets caught, it's pay back all earnings + interest - not a bad idea, imo.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #726 on: July 30, 2013, 12:58 »
    Wow "Et tu, Brute?" 

    Baseball is clean I tell you, no cheats whatsoever! :P

    He he well I usually follow Think Progress for political pieces, when I saw a doping piece I just *had* to share!
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #727 on: July 30, 2013, 18:56 »
    Thanks for the link, Kabs. Now here’s an interesting analysis of why pressuring suppliers may be the best way to get at users. The author begins with pointing out that drug usage involves supply and demand, and that one can try to reduce it by focusing on either demand (testing athletes and penalizing them for being positive) or supply (focusing on dealers/doctors/labs and penalizing them for aiding athletes). An analysis of the supply-demand curve suggests that the supply-side approach doesn’t work very well, unless it is used as a tool to get at demand (threaten suppliers unless they turn in the users). The analysis is applied to the Biogenesis scandal in American Major League Baseball, but clearly has applications to cycling as well:

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    The goal was never to actually pursue the damages against Biogenesis, but to compel Biogenesis to cooperate with evidence. As shown with Ryan Braun last year, it can be extremely challenging to impose the demand-side costs by testing alone. As shown with Ryan Braun this year, it can be much easier to threaten the supply-side into turning in the demand-side with clearer evidence, and then punishing the player. This is the reverse policy of the drug war. Law enforcement in the War on Drugs threatens small punishments against users, but offers plea bargains to turn in dealers as an alternative. Major League Baseball has opted to threaten the supplie[r]s to turn in the users. As long as the probability of catching players this way is high enough, this becomes an effective strategy. Value judgments aside, that is how you wage a war on drugs if you’re going to do it.

    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-economics-of-baseballs-war-on-drugs/

    See also my post on the Athletics thread, an interview with Victor Conte in which he describes what Biogenesis was doing, and how MLB could catch more dopers if they tested more often, and used the isotope test more frequently.

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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #728 on: July 31, 2013, 07:13 »
    MI or anyone if a marker is put into a drug, is it also usually found in the black market product.

    if so my are markers not made law in all drugs and instead of testing for products , tests for markers are used - which should be easier
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #729 on: July 31, 2013, 12:39 »


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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #730 on: July 31, 2013, 13:14 »



    Some numbers:

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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #731 on: July 31, 2013, 16:16 »
    This was just linked on twitter

    Scandal in the Tour de France [Infographic]




    which

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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #732 on: July 31, 2013, 17:30 »
    Some numbers:


    that chart is complete and utter innacurate balls..

    Its purely based on Biological Passport tests, not blood tests, nor overall tests.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #733 on: August 01, 2013, 19:56 »
    A couple of rusvelo guys left some stuff behind when in the US

    http://cyclocosm.tumblr.com/post/57073456832/housewarming-gifts-apparently-probably-not-left
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #734 on: August 01, 2013, 22:22 »
    A couple of rusvelo guys left some stuff behind when in the US

    http://cyclocosm.tumblr.com/post/57073456832/housewarming-gifts-apparently-probably-not-left

    has anyone identified the 'stuff'.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #735 on: August 02, 2013, 00:20 »
    Considering Schleck worked with Fuentes, rode for Riis, I don't think its a stretch at all to say all his results were doped.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #736 on: August 02, 2013, 12:23 »
    Doping: Padua magistrate says nothing has changed in cycling

    Italian investigator says doping still rampant, including two new undetectable variants of EPO

    http://road.cc/content/news/72609-doping-padua-magistrate-says-nothing-has-changed-cycling#comment-186750

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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #737 on: August 02, 2013, 12:41 »
    Poor Willy Voet though, being labelled a masseuse. :D

    ...and Festina had a french license in 1998, DS Bruno Roussel was french, most riders where french - so I don't think you can call them a "spanish team", despite having run under a spanish license in the early 90's
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #738 on: August 02, 2013, 14:44 »
    Doping: Padua magistrate says nothing has changed in cycling

    Italian investigator says doping still rampant, including two new undetectable variants of EPO

    http://road.cc/content/news/72609-doping-padua-magistrate-says-nothing-has-changed-cycling#comment-186750

    Is something dated 7 months ago news?
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #739 on: August 02, 2013, 15:23 »
    Is something dated 7 months ago news?

    Yes, as much as someone doping in 1998.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #740 on: August 03, 2013, 20:23 »
    Sérgio Ribeiro caught for passport irregularities.
    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/ribeiro-handed-12-year-ban-by-portuguese-federation

    Maybe this will get his very own Wikipedia page to pop up when googling his name and the word cycling, best of luck with that for him.

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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #741 on: August 03, 2013, 21:27 »
    Sérgio Ribeiro caught for passport irregularities.
    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/ribeiro-handed-12-year-ban-by-portuguese-federation

    Maybe this will get his very own Wikipedia page to pop up when googling his name and the word cycling, best of luck with that for him.

    CN does however seem to have missed the bio-passport suspension of Antonio Amorim last month, who was Ribeiro's teammate at Efapel last season.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #742 on: August 05, 2013, 20:03 »
    In a program aired 1 hour ago on danish television. featured an interview taped in the spring where Michael Skelde Claus Hembo owner of CWO stated that he still sees some strange things, and mentioned the Tour of Algeria where two riders put almost 10 minutes on Stefan Schumacher on the last stage. One of them Sayar already tested positive, Víctor de la Parte is the other one. And also pointed to less testing in more southern countries mentioning Spain and Italy in specific.

    Race result: http://www.velowire.com/UCIcyclingcalendar/race/985/tour-d-algerie.html

    Note correction in names, thanks to Fus for correcting me, that went a little fast I think
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #743 on: August 05, 2013, 20:09 »
    In a program aired 1 hour ago on danish television. featured an interview taped in the spring where Michael Skelde owner of CWO stated that he still sees some strange things, and mentioned the Tour of Algeria where two riders put almost 10 minutes on Stefan Schumacher on the last stage. One of them Sayar already tested positive, Víctor de la Parte is the other one. And also pointed to less testing in more southern countries mentioning Spain and Italy in specific.

    Race result: http://www.velowire.com/UCIcyclingcalendar/race/985/tour-d-algerie.html

    Ugh. The typical 'the darker the skin the dirtier the field' :puke
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #744 on: August 05, 2013, 20:14 »
    Ugh. The typical 'the darker the skin the dirtier the field' :puke

    Not really, he was more stating that the controls was not very good. which I can see some truth in, it would seem hard to justify a lot of money in Spain going to controls giving the unemployment rate. They also showed control of a Post Cup event in Denmark. Where they tested the Podium and random. and it varried apperently, for such level I think it makes for really well testing.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #745 on: August 05, 2013, 20:36 »
    Doesn't the US have an alarmingly low rate of testing?
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #746 on: August 05, 2013, 20:40 »
    Doesn't the US have an alarmingly low rate of testing?

    Maybe and how often do CWO  race there, you can only comment on what you have seen.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #747 on: August 05, 2013, 20:53 »
    Michael Skelde owner of CWO

    Correction: Michael Skelde is owner of Skelde Cykling, organising the cycling team that was known for many years as Glud & Marstrand, and is now Team Cult Energy.
    The owner of CWO that you're referring to is Claus Hembo (probably, haven't seen the program myself yet).
    Very important difference.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #748 on: August 05, 2013, 20:57 »
    @ Byop Well, I'm not taking a pop at the US, just being vaguely supportive of Olifatuna's racism point.

    But I saw some statistics (WADA, I think) recently and was shocked at how few tests were conducted in the US and equally surprised at how many were done in the UK. I didn't spend much time reading the details so don't take it as given as I may have misunderstood them
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #749 on: August 05, 2013, 21:43 »
    @ Byop Well, I'm not taking a pop at the US, just being vaguely supportive of Olifatuna's racism point.

    My name is oitallefotua.
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