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Re: Darkside - General news
« Reply #780 on: September 30, 2013, 22:11 »
Sounds like a very hard hitting speech from Dick Pound

http://www.e-comlaw.com/world-sports-law-report/hottopic.asp?id=1364

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"Athletes caught in competition not only fail a doping test, but an IQ test"

I think this sums up where cycling has been for some years already. The testing isn't really working.

However, I also consider that the bio-passport borders on voodoo obscurantism and, as I have often felt, it gave the Verbruggen-McQuaid UCI and it still gives any other corrupt sporting body ample opportunity to deliver selective justice.

What's more, we have seen some recent opinions that manipulation could be continuing without the contractually-silenced ABP panel apparently noticing.

Time will tell what Cookson can do but this much is clear: in embracing WADA so wholeheartedly as he did last week, he can eventually start to pass the buck to someone else.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #781 on: September 30, 2013, 22:27 »
    Thanks, Uncle Keith!

    I think this sums up where cycling has been for some years already. The testing isn't really working.

    However, I also consider that the bio-passport borders on voodoo obscurantism and, as I have often felt, it gave the Verbruggen-McQuaid UCI and it still gives any other corrupt sporting body ample opportunity to deliver selective justice.

    What's more, we have seen some recent opinions that manipulation could be continuing without the contractually-silenced ABP panel apparently noticing.

    Time will tell what Cookson can do but this much is clear: in embracing WADA so wholeheartedly as he did last week, he can eventually start to pass the buck to someone else.

    Cookson has done three really clever moves right from the off:
    1. Getting rid of responsibility for catching or sanctioning doping. Typical politco move and gives him the excuse forever "Not my problem"
    2. Bringing onside Tracey Gaudrey. The hardest part of his manifesto was promising to improve the lot of womans cycling. He has effectively delegated this to Tracey now.
    3. Distancing himself from Makarov. I don't believe this, but he can now manage the relationship through a more structured management committee with clear voting and transparency.

    Where his potential minefields are:
    1. The relationship with the Developing Nations. I don't think the Egyptian guy is strong enough to help Cookson with the sub-saharan African cpountries, let alone the Asian and South American federations. He will have to do a lot of work himself.
    2. The relationship with the IOC. I expect Cookson will be making a lot of calls for help with Lord Coe and band of merrimen.
    3. The relationship with the ProTour. It seems to me that half the bad press are the day to day fights with the ProTour various stakeholders and the UCI. How does he sort this out?
    4. Most importantly, the internal organisation at the UCI. He probably has some good staff, but some were clearly fighting tooth and nail against change. He needs to get the organisation singing off the same song sheet and moving in his direction and not p*ssing inside the tent.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #782 on: October 03, 2013, 19:45 »
    Levi has retired but Specy is still sponsoring him

    https://twitter.com/LeviLeipheimer/status/385599896247492608/photo/1

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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #784 on: October 14, 2013, 13:51 »


    Anti-doping chief Travis Tygart hails cultural shift in cycling in the wake of Lance Armstrong’s fall from grace

    agree to a point - more of a cultural shift away from blood doping to lean muscle mass non Bio passport type doping
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #785 on: October 15, 2013, 00:45 »
    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/tramadol-abuse-in-the-cycling-peloton

    Painkiller use pops up again

    Well I dont agree at all that its a doping issue.   Tramadol is a pain killer ... thats pretty much it.   If you can use codeine and NSAIDS (Ibuprofen etc) and paracetamol there is no issue with tramadol.

    Its not performance enhancing - except to help a rider get through the pain.

    Yes - the use of painkillers is an issue - and its one that they need to address.  The use of painkillers every day or on a regular basis is a health issue.  Most of those drugs are addictive and not good for you to be having all the time.  But it isnt performance enhancing.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #786 on: October 15, 2013, 00:51 »
    Its not performance enhancing - except to help a rider get through the pain.

    I would say being able to ride your bike and not feeling the pain would be preformance enhancing. Is it really allowed to be on codeine? in that case it is weird that riders aren't drinking lean during the classics.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #787 on: October 15, 2013, 00:59 »
    hmm - not sure.  maybe codeine is.        :?

    I dunno - I guess it depends on what you call performance enhancing.

    I guess it is .. if you are using it to push through your natural pain barrier to keep going rather than just to get over an injury or something specific.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #788 on: October 15, 2013, 01:09 »
    I guess it is .. if you are using it to push through your natural pain barrier to keep going rather than just to get over an injury or something specific.

    I would say it is exactly for that reason, but I also see it is hard to define, I mean eating doing a GT instead of not eating for a month is probably preformance enhancing. Yet nobody would want that to be banned. So if painkillers should be okay or not is a good question, just like it can be disgussed if certain suplements should be allowed.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #789 on: October 21, 2013, 22:38 »
    hmm - not sure.  maybe codeine is.        :?

    I dunno - I guess it depends on what you call performance enhancing.

    I guess it is .. if you are using it to push through your natural pain barrier to keep going rather than just to get over an injury or something specific.
    Codeine is OK to use.

    Tis a hard one, very much an issue that finish bottles kind of breed an unhealthy culture, but then, what about guys have 5 espressos before a crit? Hard one to draw a distinct line through.

    Don't think you'll ever please everyone.

    For me, I've raced once before on codeine to get through a race when I was good and proper injured and what not, but I'm not a fan, you tend to loose your perception of effort, you may push harder than you might in some circumstances, but you can just as easily cook yourself too early because you think you're superman.

    I think it's all about the placebo of 'dropping' something...
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #790 on: October 22, 2013, 07:15 »
    yes.

    I agree.

    Its why I am a bit  :? when people suggest that doping is a big fat clear line in the sand.   To me its not. 
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #791 on: October 22, 2013, 07:37 »
    ...which is why a line is drawn by the relevant overseeing bodies charged (if you'll excuse the pun) with deciding which side of the line certain practices and substances should reside.

    It has to be that way, and of course it is open to change as new activities emerge and new ways are found to exploit new and old substances.

    Its the same with many sporting rules, and its absolutely OK for a sportsman to have his or her toes a fag paper's * width away from that line.

    *note for septic readers. Fag paper= rolling cigarette paper.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #792 on: October 23, 2013, 07:36 »

    as pointed out by florry in the chat, no real issue this year 2014 for 15 might
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #793 on: October 30, 2013, 12:17 »
    3-4 % is massive

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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #794 on: October 30, 2013, 15:53 »
    3-4 % is massive

    Red Bull cycling team would be dominant. Was it 3-4% more watts or 3-4% better time, if the latter then it is massive.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #795 on: October 30, 2013, 15:55 »
    Red Bull cycling team would be dominant. Was it 3-4% more watts or 3-4% better time, if the latter then it is massive.

    , power output was significantly enhanced after CAFF+BJ and CAFF (3.0% and 3.9% respectively, P < 0.01).
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #796 on: October 30, 2013, 15:58 »
    , power output was significantly enhanced after CAFF+BJ and CAFF (3.0% and 3.9% respectively, P < 0.01).

    Well a power output increase in that range is a significantly smaller time reduction, still if caffeine is allowed unlimited then maybe it could be used to improve performances.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #798 on: November 06, 2013, 04:15 »
    Sometimes I'm never quite sure if Al Hinds is the moonlighting alter-ego of Tanman
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #799 on: November 06, 2013, 12:42 »
    this is re Ryder but the issue is more general

    transparency and the new omerta

    http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/11/commentary/the-ryder-dilemma-when-to-come-in-from-the-dark_308771
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #800 on: November 07, 2013, 22:40 »
    Interesting read on Colombia and its apparently not-so-clean races:
    http://www.cyclinginquisition.com/2013/10/colombia-must-rise-to-occassion.html
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    Re: Darkside - General news
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    Re: Darkside - General news
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    Re: Darkside - General news
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #805 on: November 20, 2013, 13:40 »
    Wait what? Bans why? Why only six months? Why backdated?
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #806 on: November 20, 2013, 14:15 »
    Wait what? Bans why? Why only six months? Why backdated?

    No idea jams have looked on RSADA

    Found this though  http://www.neurope.eu/news/wire/russian-cycling-team-suspends-3-riders-positive-doping-tests-national-championships
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #807 on: November 20, 2013, 15:56 »

    Confirmed now
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #809 on: November 20, 2013, 17:58 »
    Are they all six months backdated? If the doctors are the only ones getting two years something is seriously wrong.
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