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Re: Darkside - General news
« Reply #810 on: November 20, 2013, 18:10 »
Are they all six months backdated? If the doctors are the only ones getting two years something is seriously wrong.

USADA meets RSADA basically the 3 riders threw the Dr under the bus

I assume , tis the way of the future , which is both bad and good, and the reason behind the 4 year bans or one of them

tell us all get 1 - 2 years or nothing get 4
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #811 on: November 20, 2013, 20:08 »
    So it wasn't positive tests, then. 6 months for a confession of past misdeeds which you got away with is one thing. 6 months for failing a test and turning states evidence is another.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #812 on: November 22, 2013, 05:41 »
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #813 on: November 27, 2013, 22:13 »
    from Lee Rodgers blog http://crankpunk.com

    November 15, 2013
     a lazy re-post? no, a reaffirmation 

    LA. Ballan. Sanchez. Ryder. Vaughters.

    queasiness. unease. sickness. deception.

    i’m re-posting this because we have to remember that WE are this sport. not them.

    crank on, folks, crank on, and keep smiling…
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    is Lee Rodgers sure that those 4 athletes were riding clean?
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #814 on: November 27, 2013, 22:29 »
    is Lee Rodgers sure that those 4 athletes were riding clean?
    I'm fairly confident in saying that at least 3 of the 4 weren't.

    But I think that's not the point Rodgers wants to make.
    He says that these heroes of the past inspired him, in one way or another, to take up the sport. That doesn't directly have anything to do with the cleanness (or dirtyness) of those inspirations.
    I ride (OK, mostly I watch others ride) because 13 years ago, I watched on the TV as small Spanish climber Javier Otxoa overcame the odds to win a Pyrénées queen stage. He won over a certain Lance Armstrong with 42 seconds to spare; and having been riding for Kelme, with today's knowledge I wouldn't put much on Javi being clean.
    But that doesn't take away from the fact that it's inspiring to me to this day.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #815 on: November 27, 2013, 22:35 »
    I'm fairly confident in saying that at least 3 of the 4 weren't.

    But I think that's not the point Rodgers wants to make.
    He says that these heroes of the past inspired him, in one way or another, to take up the sport. That doesn't directly have anything to do with the cleanness (or dirtyness) of those inspirations.
    I ride (OK, mostly I watch others ride) because 13 years ago, I watched on the TV as small Spanish climber Javier Otxoa overcame the odds to win a Pyrénées queen stage. He won over a certain Lance Armstrong with 42 seconds to spare; and having been riding for Kelme, with today's knowledge I wouldn't put much on Javi being clean.
    But that doesn't take away from the fact that it's inspiring to me to this day.

    the first memories for me were Chiappucci and the great Miguel, go figure
    when Millar won that Tour stage in 2012 I was amazed and it was sooo great (and he confessed doping)

    and I guess Ryder, Danielson, LA, Vaughters and so on, inspired some young kids that are riding now.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #816 on: November 27, 2013, 22:57 »
    I'm fairly confident in saying that at least 3 of the 4 weren't.

    Coppi was clean because doping wasn't against the rules when he rode. As far as the others then I would certainly tend to agree, it would be an almost certain 3 out of 4 for me too.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #818 on: December 04, 2013, 09:25 »
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #820 on: December 04, 2013, 14:03 »
    No new contract for Emanuele Sella then (after the current one runs out)?

    Or is Sella one of those Savio refers to with this:
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #823 on: December 05, 2013, 21:45 »
    :D  search

    http://www.cyclismactu.net/news-divers-le-coni-veut-suspendre-francesco-reda-2-ans-dopage-37285.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

    It's a buyer's market. Together with the 'pressure' of MPCC membership, Savio can afford now more than ever to boast that he has no need of ex-dopers, not least because Pellizotti was always going to be out the door as soon as he got the tricolore jersey and because Sella has done nothing but a few interesting breakaways since his comeback.

    Reda is going to get busted shortly (this was CONI's own investigation) and I actually like that Savio suspended him back in April. That was a serious gesture from the old Signor Teflon. Even if the UCI put him back to work in the interim, CONI is now almost certainly going to freeze him and make Androni look bad (again).

    Let's see if Savio's BS holds true this time around. Somehow I think it just might.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #825 on: December 06, 2013, 07:38 »
    Kazakh politics.
    It's a nasty business, and fought with all means available.

    But I think Vino is just the right man to come out on topand  in the end become Nasarbayev's heir, if that's his ambition.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #826 on: December 08, 2013, 08:26 »
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #827 on: December 08, 2013, 09:03 »
    I am all for the regulation of doctors in cycling, a sport that already regulates agents for goodness' sakes. I have always tried to include the identities of doctors in my research and I think that their role in so many doping incidents is too often overlooked or neglected.

    In our society we seem to find it hard to question these self regulating, so called "liberal professions" but pro cycling has shown us time and again that doctors can be very corrupt even while there is occasionally some merit in certain of their arguments that they were only trying to help riders stay healthy in a deleterious sport.

    I have relatively little knowledge of the medical profession but I have an idea for discussion:

    In order to regulate doctors in cycling, I would require that a doctor show evidence of suitability. A doctor would remain a licensed "associate" or "consultant" to the sport for several years before being allowed to bed in with a team the way guys like Guardascione do, and in order for that to happen there would have to be some sort of independent peer review backed by evidence of propriety in sport(s) and, on the basis of recent embarassing cases, a written exam to demonstrate knowledge and hopefully compliance with WADA provisions.

    A doctor in cycling could not hold any other posts that might produce conflict of interests. Again, this relates to the example of Guardascione giving seminars at CONI. A doctor could go on to occupy a relevant senior or advisory role in cycling management but not at the same time as holding a consultancy or in-house role with a trade or national team.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #828 on: December 08, 2013, 11:15 »
    I am all for the regulation of doctors in cycling, a sport that already regulates agents for goodness' sakes. I have always tried to include the identities of doctors in my research and I think that their role in so many doping incidents is too often overlooked or neglected.

    In our society we seem to find it hard to question these self regulating, so called "liberal professions" but pro cycling has shown us time and again that doctors can be very corrupt even while there is occasionally some merit in certain of their arguments that they were only trying to help riders stay healthy in a deleterious sport.

    I have relatively little knowledge of the medical profession but I have an idea for discussion:

    In order to regulate doctors in cycling, I would require that a doctor show evidence of suitability. A doctor would remain a licensed "associate" or "consultant" to the sport for several years before being allowed to bed in with a team the way guys like Guardascione do, and in order for that to happen there would have to be some sort of independent peer review backed by evidence of propriety in sport(s) and, on the basis of recent embarassing cases, a written exam to demonstrate knowledge and hopefully compliance with WADA provisions.

    A doctor in cycling could not hold any other posts that might produce conflict of interests. Again, this relates to the example of Guardascione giving seminars at CONI. A doctor could go on to occupy a relevant senior or advisory role in cycling management but not at the same time as holding a consultancy or in-house role with a trade or national team.

    Also it seems like such an easy fix, say riders only can get prescriptions from UCI Doctors, let UCI hire the doctors, and then rotate them between the teams. That way if any rider is aided in doping by a UCI doctor, when the doctors then rotate the riders passport values might be flagged.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #829 on: December 11, 2013, 17:26 »
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    « Reply #830 on: December 11, 2013, 18:11 »
    A step in the right direction.
    And coming from a, frankly, unexpected direction.

    They seem to want to be branding themselves as 'Green Team' as well, with all that that entails. Always good to see teams get an image that extends beyond their sponsors, like Vaughters's Argyle or Scinto's Yellow Fluo.
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    « Reply #831 on: December 13, 2013, 08:51 »
    Via conde on twitter

    Heras wanting 1 million euros in damages from 2005 annulment if epo positive

    http://www.ondacero.es/audios-online/al-primer-toque/noticias/exclusivaroberto-heras_2013121300002.html
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #832 on: December 13, 2013, 12:01 »
    http://deportes.elpais.com/deportes/2013/12/13/actualidad/1386934000_620861.html

    tour of Portugal winner Marque positive

    not sure to what,

    rumors samu will take the spot
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    « Reply #833 on: December 13, 2013, 12:11 »
    quelle surprise :fp
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #834 on: December 13, 2013, 12:33 »


    rumors samu will take the spot

    Maybe Anton already replaced him. The two sets of news are quite close together.

    Not exactly a glowing endorsement of Portuguese  cycling though.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #835 on: December 13, 2013, 12:48 »
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    maybe Samu replacing JTL on Team Sky?
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #836 on: December 13, 2013, 12:56 »
    Tour of Portugal continues to be what it is, very sad.
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    « Reply #837 on: December 13, 2013, 13:05 »
    Tour of Portugal continues to be what it is, very sad.
    Looking back, I feel sorry for Xavi Tondó for having to duke it out in that environment for as long as he had.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #838 on: December 13, 2013, 13:45 »
    http://deportes.elpais.com/deportes/2013/12/13/actualidad/1386934000_620861.html

    tour of Portugal winner Marque positive

    not sure to what,

    rumors samu will take the spot

    betamethasone (the most famous trademark is Celestone), a glucocorticoid.

    Steroids and yes, rather convenient considering who's going to take his place.
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    « Reply #839 on: December 13, 2013, 14:27 »
    maybe Samu replacing JTL on Team Sky?

    God that would be horrendous :o
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