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Re: Darkside - General news
« Reply #1200 on: December 15, 2014, 18:34 »
I don't know, in that recent interview Galimzyanov said he owes Katusha ~300000 EUR or something like that because of his positive. But sure, Russia is a different story, no idea how the other European teams exactly handle that.

Cyclingtips meanwhile has also picked up Androni's press release by the way

http://cyclingtips.com.au/2014/12/androni-venezuela-team-riders-undertake-to-pay-large-fine-in-case-of-doping-positive/
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #1201 on: December 15, 2014, 21:10 »
    I don't know, in that recent interview Galimzyanov said he owes Katusha ~300000 EUR or something like that because of his positive. But sure, Russia is a different story, no idea how the other European teams exactly handle that.

    Cyclingtips meanwhile has also picked up Androni's press release by the way

    http://cyclingtips.com.au/2014/12/androni-venezuela-team-riders-undertake-to-pay-large-fine-in-case-of-doping-positive/

    Tough clause on minimum wage or less. ;)
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #1202 on: December 15, 2014, 21:15 »
    indeed. Galimzyanov had to pay 70% of his annual salary if I remember correctly, which sounds more reasonable - problem was, that it was his first year off minimum wage, and he tested positive in February or so...

    edit: I still believe that's the only reason why di Luca signed at Katusha for free by the way, 70% of 0 is still 0 :D
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #1203 on: December 15, 2014, 21:20 »
    indeed. Galimzyanov had to pay 70% of his annual salary if I remember correctly, which sounds more reasonable - problem was, that it was his first year off minimum wage, and he tested positive in February or so...

    edit: I still believe that's the only reason why di Luca signed at Katusha for free by the way, 70% of 0 is still 0 :D

    And for those with short memories:

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/steegmans-katusha-dissolve-contract
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #1205 on: December 16, 2014, 20:07 »
    this is a weird story. If I understand that correctly, he said the package including the forbidden stuff was given to him by a former cyclist (Jose Maldonado) to deliver it to the manager of the Mexican (?) team, José Vicente Peidró.

    Aguirre himself then continued to travel to Switzerland to continue what he was supposed to do: riding his bike.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #1206 on: December 16, 2014, 21:22 »
    When did they stop asking those inane questions at airports ...

    ... Did you pack your luggage yourself, Sir/Madam?

    ... Did anyone give you anything to take with you, Sir/Madam?

    If asked these questions, then this guy lied.

    Easily done. I lied some months ago. I had items that been given to me just before checking in and I just didn't think about it.

    Even now, I still think that's why I got singled out by security that day. That and the fact that I was an unshaven lone male traveller with longer hair travelling to the meth capital of the US.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #1207 on: December 16, 2014, 21:49 »
    by the way this happened in April, and the Mexican Federation was notified by the UCI in October...
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #1208 on: December 16, 2014, 22:12 »
    by the way this happened in April, and the Mexican Federation was notified by the UCI in October...
    What am I missing here? How could his own federation have remained unaware, especially if he had been stopped by the police in Spain?

    How was the UCI made aware of it, and how could such an event possibly go unnoticed by his own Nat Fed for so long?
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #1209 on: December 16, 2014, 22:26 »
    don't know, I only got that from a facebook post of another Mexican rider, who (to my understanding of it) mainly asks the question why the Mexican Federation has not made it public themself, although they were notified two months ago

    https://twitter.com/LuisE_Lemus/status/544968788974649345

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    "We must be objective and rely on the facts, nobody here was positive, but with possession, this happened in April, and the Union Cycliste Internationale - UCI sent a letter to the Mexican Federation of Cycling in October, then because the news is given released in December? For the federation did not make a statement before? if they want to avoid misunderstandings that leave things clear from the start and did not learn our other sources."
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #1210 on: December 16, 2014, 22:33 »

    "We must be objective and rely on the facts, nobody here was positive, but with possession..."

    Is that the new mindset?  :S


    So we're positive that they were PEDs, and positive that he was in possession of them.

    As for the rest of it? No biggie. Carry on.   :shh
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #1211 on: December 16, 2014, 22:45 »
    As for the rest of it? No biggie. Carry on.   :shh

    à propos...something I read on cn a couple of days ago, a "Cycling Canada Doping Consultation Report"

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    Earlier this year, Cycling Canada sent out a request for members of the cycling community to participate in a "consultation" on doping within cycling in Canada. The firm LLB Strategies was hired to undertake the project, which consisted of one-on-one anonymous and confidential interviews with participants.

    [...]

    64 people were contacted, consisting of athletes, coaches, sports administrators and cycling stakeholders - 21 athletes, 6 administrators, 2 team managers, and one each of a sports leader, coach and parent.

    [...]

    Interviewees believe that there is no organized doping culture or system in cycling in Canada and that any such activities are isolated instances by individuals.

    Suppliers and influencers of doping are doctors, trainers, coaches, equipment suppliers, sports administrators and (in most cases) other cyclists.

    [...]

    Two interviewees independently provided information that a former Canadian sports administrator had assisted Canadian riders in obtaining PEDs.

    well, if only two of them say that there is organized doping...nothing to be seen there I guess  :-x
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #1212 on: December 16, 2014, 22:57 »
    I read that as well. It seemed to me that the authors of that report were looking for public vending  machines.

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    Anything short of that would be considered "secret" and therefore not organized, or, more importantly, not systemic for the Canucks.

    Or something like that.


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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #1213 on: December 16, 2014, 23:15 »
    I read that as well. It seemed to me that the authors of that report were looking for public vending  machines.

    Anything short of that would be considered "secret" and therefore not organized, or, more importantly, not systemic for the Canucks.

    Or something like that.




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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #1214 on: December 17, 2014, 18:43 »
    December 2014 Ricardo Ricco update: http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/ricco-describes-the-cycling-reform-commission-as-a-joke

    STILL CRAZY

    Dude nearly killed himself with dope and is mad that the Italian federation didn't reduce his ban after he cooperated with the reform commission. I completely agree with the Italian federation here, I think for Ricardo's own safety and health he should never be allowed to compete in professional sport again. The fact that he is talking about taking on some hill climb records is honestly quite worrying.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #1215 on: December 17, 2014, 18:48 »
    “I wouldn't make the same mistakes that I made. I wouldn't dope, or I'd at least do it differently.”

     :D :D
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #1218 on: January 02, 2015, 20:07 »
    https://www.twitter.com/fredgrappe/status/551069866971901953


    https://www.twitter.com/fredgrappe/status/551070736186880001


    https://www.twitter.com/fredgrappe/status/551072396548259843

    Grappe provides evidence here for a contention that has existed almost as long as the bio-passport itself: the idea that blood values alone are insufficient as a measure of athlete performance.

    For WADA, which seeks in an ideal world to be a one-stop solution for all sports and all countries, the bio-passport panacea was that it could be applicable to all endurance sports. However, critics felt that it would be better to target resources at developing and implementing a solution tailored closer to the characteristics of each individual sport. The "one size fits all" approach of blood profiling was considered insufficient by these critics.

    Enter Grappe, who conducted research on a generation of sportspeople including FDJ's Thibaut Pinot, who was marked out as a talented individual and, if we are to believe the narrative, submitted to testing from as early as seventeen years old. Theses tests of Grappe et al included various parameters, and the researchers concluded that an athlete profile consisting of several threshold metrics (including power output) would give a better picture of a rider's performance authenticity than blood baseline alone.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #1219 on: January 03, 2015, 10:04 »
    Three years after receiving a two-year suspension, Ezequiel Mosquera has succeeded in his appeal to overturn the sanction. The Galician, who finished second behind Nibali in the 2010 Vuelta before testing positive for hydroxyethyl starch, will now have his podium spot reinstated. Now 39, Mosquera is not expected to make a comeback.

    http://ciclismo.as.com/ciclismo/2015/01/02/mas_ciclismo/1420233665_711112.html (ES)
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #1220 on: January 03, 2015, 15:03 »
    While the study Grappe quotes is interesting it has little to do with most BioPassport cases.

    Looking back at the BioPassport cases the UCI filed most of the available public information shows that they target spikes that are around a competition period Not during altitude training. Menchov, Pellizotti, JTL, Kruziger. All had spikes in, or around, a big competition. Not during, or around, altitude training. The passport form also has a box that a rider can check that indicates if they have recently been at altitude. 
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #1221 on: January 03, 2015, 15:10 »
    While the study Grappe quotes is interesting it has little to do with most BioPassport cases.

    Looking back at the BioPassport cases the UCI filed most of the available public information shows that they target spikes that are around a competition period Not during altitude training. Menchov, Pellizotti, JTL, Kruziger. All had spikes in, or around, a big competition. Not during, or around, altitude training. The passport form also has a box that a rider can check that indicates if they have recently been at altitude.

    Fair enough but how about that idea of a broader bio-passport consisting of more metrics? What do you reckon to that? Because that is, I think, Grappe's motivation for these tweets.

    This is what some sports scientists have been saying for a while: they would like to see other data in there, including typical power thresholds on a per rider basis, in excess of which that rider's performance could also be considered suspect.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #1222 on: January 03, 2015, 15:21 »
    Fair enough but how about that idea of a broader bio-passport consisting of more metrics? What do you reckon to that? Because that is, I think, Grappe's motivation for these tweets.

    This is what some sports scientists have been saying for a while: they would like to see other data in there, including typical power thresholds on a per rider basis, in excess of which that rider's performance could also be considered suspect.

    I 100% agree with this. Highroad used power along with their internal program and Garmin still uses it when engaging with new riders.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #1223 on: January 03, 2015, 23:34 »
    Now 39, Mosquera is not expected to make a comeback.
    And somewhere, Chris Horner is saying, "Why not? What's the big deal?"  :P
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #1225 on: January 06, 2015, 10:26 »
    Kortrijk's public prosecutor has decided to charge Patrick Lefevere, Tom Boonen, Stijn Devolder and five others historically linked to the QuickStep team with tax evasion.

    The defendants, who have been under investigation for some years in this matter, had attempted to "hide revenues from the tax authorities using complex, fraudulent methods."

    Boonen and several other riders had already legally settled certain other outstanding taxes in 2013, but this was understood to be unrelated to the present case.

    A date for trial has yet to be announced.

    http://www.demorgen.be/binnenland/boonen-en-lefevere-naar-rechter-voor-fraude-a2172348/ (NL)

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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #1227 on: January 07, 2015, 20:04 »
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    flipping disgraceful. Just had a quick glance through ESPN's college football pages, no mention of this story anywhere. Fans and journalists continue to be in denial about the massive drug problem in the American college athletic system.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #1228 on: January 14, 2015, 08:30 »
    https://twitter.com/QuentinPacher/status/554921207884427264

    Moto GP rider happy to show off his activities. Seems legit.

    EDIT: pretty sure Moto GP is WADA-affiliated, so this is actually a banned practice. Tweet to self-delete in 3...2...
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #1229 on: January 14, 2015, 13:49 »
    this is awesome indeed

    and yes, the MotoGP is very strict about this, one or two years ago Anthony West received a 30 day suspension for doping. I think he even had to miss one of the post season tests :o

    if anyone is interested to read how serious they actually are, this interview with Ben Spies is quite a good read:

    http://motomatters.com/interview/2012/09/11/ben_spies_on_doping_in_motorcycle_racing.html

    and yes, tbh I can understand athletes to be annoyed to update their location in ADAMS every 24 hours, if they are not going to be tested anyway
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