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Re: Darkside - General news
« Reply #1980 on: January 15, 2019, 13:59 »
https://twitter.com/UCI_media/status/1085130215280574465

https://www.uci.org/inside-uci/press-releases/tramadol-ban-all-you-need-to-know

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From 1 March 2019, in-competition use of tramadol will be banned across all disciplines. This new regulation, which is being introduced for medical reasons, allows for penalties to be imposed if the rules are broken.   


- 4.4% of in-competition tests on cyclists showed the use of tramadol;
- 68% of urine samples – taken from across 35 Olympic sports – containing tramadol were from cyclists.

What method will be used?

Dried blood droplets will be collected for presence of tramadol, using a high-precision analysis technique. Positive or negative results will depend on the presence or absence of the substance in the blood (there is no threshold).

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What are the penalties?

Rider penalties

- A first offence committed by a rider will be penalised with disqualification from the event. In addition, a fine of CHF5,000 will be imposed if the rider is a member of a UCI-registered team. In all other cases, the fine will be CHF1,000.

- A second offence will result in disqualification from the event and a five-month suspension. If a further offence is committed, a nine-month suspension will be imposed.


Team penalties

If two riders belonging to the same UCI-registered team commit an offence within a period of 12 months, the team will be fined CHF10,000. If a further offence is committed within the same 12-month period, the team will be suspended for a period of 1 to 12 months, to be determined by the UCI Disciplinary Commission.

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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #1981 on: January 15, 2019, 14:30 »
    I don't understand what appears to be the leniency of the penalties. If it's banned, it's banned. If a rider knowingly breaks the rules and uses a prohibitive substance, why isn't it treated like any other? Are there other specific substances that have their own rules applied to them?

    This part is puzzling:

    A second offence will result in disqualification from the event and a five-month suspension. If a further offence is committed, a nine-month suspension will be imposed.

    A "further offence"?!?! How many strikes do they get? If a rider were to knowingly break this particular rule three times, safe to say it's not the only rule they're breaking. Why only nine months?
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #1982 on: January 15, 2019, 15:35 »
    I don't understand what appears to be the leniency of the penalties. If it's banned, it's banned. If a rider knowingly breaks the rules and uses a prohibitive substance, why isn't it treated like any other? Are there other specific substances that have their own rules applied to them?
    Essentially: Yes.

    Tramadol isn't on the WADA list of prohibited substances, it is only banned within cycling in a solo action by the UCI.
    That's why the 'normal' rules don't apply here, and the UCI can basically make it up as they go.

    Think of it as like the old early morning 'vampire' tests for hematocrit in the 90s where riders would be stopped from racing on health grounds, but that was pretty much it.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #1983 on: January 15, 2019, 15:40 »
    Correct Lukas.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #1984 on: January 24, 2019, 11:19 »
    Positive test for #lotto Tosh van der Sande, taken at the Gent Sixdays:
    https://lottosoudal.be/en/news/positive-doping-test-tosh-van-der-sande

    It sounds a bit weird that the substance would be allowed in-competition if mentioned on the control form ... we'll need some experts to clarify that.

     Been sorted out and all is well again.

    https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/racing/lotto-soudals-tosh-van-der-sande-cleared-doping-administrative-error-405714
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    « Reply #1985 on: January 24, 2019, 12:02 »
    sounds reasonable to me
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #1986 on: January 27, 2019, 13:00 »
    Former head of Wada claims drug-test methods not fit for purpose - 'organised crime has a field day in sport'


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/athletics/2019/01/26/former-head-wada-claims-drug-test-methods-not-fit-purpose-organised/

    Stand out lines for me were

    "we spending millions and millions of dollars supporting an industry, where a lot of people get paid. Is that what we are doing? Producing an industry rather than protecting clean athletes?”


    Yep, a giant job creation scheme with no worthwhile ouput and providing a smokescreen for those they are meant to be catching.  That mirrors where I am.

    "He added that the method of needing two positive samples to sanction an athlete also required reexamination, given the difficulty for science to 100 per cent validate the A sample by the B.

    “You can be committed for trial or murder on the basis of one blood sample. You can’t be put to a sanction process in sport unless you have an A urine sample matched by a B urine sample. Why do we have more protection for sport than we do for murder?


    Yes and I would say the biggest thing is the one he has not mentioned.  Justice must be seen to be done.  At the moment it is all done behind closed doors at the likes of the way CAS has been structured.  Why do athletes get image protection that the man in the street, maybe accused of far more serious crimes does not ?  It does not make sense.
     



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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #1987 on: January 27, 2019, 14:02 »
    Yes and I would say the biggest thing is the one he has not mentioned.  Justice must be seen to be done.  At the moment it is all done behind closed doors at the likes of the way CAS has been structured.
    Yes, this is a big one. The process needs more transparency.

    Why do athletes get image protection that the man in the street, maybe accused of far more serious crimes does not ?  It does not make sense.
    Depends on the country. Here in Germany, suspects of a crime, even after being found guilty and sentenced, are always only referred to as "First Name Initial" - so e.g. "Alex S.". Only exceptions are in cases where the accused was a public person beforehand.
    I know it's different in other countries.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #1988 on: January 28, 2019, 09:19 »
    https://twitter.com/thesundaytimes/status/1089422584108716032

    Sun and his team, including his mother Ming Yang, had concerns with the identification documents of testers and he and a security guard were alleged to have crushed a sealed vial with a hammer.

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    In January, a FINA doping panel ruled in favour of Sun and were reported to have said they would ‘never know’ the truth about the matter.


    https://www.smh.com.au/sport/swimming/hot-water-sun-yang-smashed-blood-test-with-hammer-20190127-p50tyd.html

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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #1989 on: January 28, 2019, 16:58 »
    Depends on the country. Here in Germany, suspects of a crime, even after being found guilty and sentenced, are always only referred to as "First Name Initial" - so e.g. "Alex S."

    So Lukas CPH is triply under suspicion?
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