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Re: Darkside - General news
« Reply #240 on: September 10, 2012, 19:53 »
http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/09/news/talansky-on-vuelta-wiggins-and-calling-out-andy-jacques-maynes_238114/3

A lot of material here to work with...
Thought about even starting a new thread and it may necessary possibly.

It has been given a super hard time in the clinic understandably, but I really like it. If we consider that everything he says is true about the sport then what else would he be able to say but what he does say?
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #241 on: September 10, 2012, 20:42 »
    Betsy on tourchats

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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #242 on: September 11, 2012, 04:12 »
    http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/09/news/talansky-on-vuelta-wiggins-and-calling-out-andy-jacques-maynes_238114/3

    A lot of material here to work with...
    Thought about even starting a new thread and it may necessary possibly.

    It has been given a super hard time in the clinic understandably, but I really like it. If we consider that everything he says is true about the sport then what else would he be able to say but what he does say?

    I have been a fan of the Garmin squad since the beginning, liked many of that team.

    This little turd is turning me off Garmin, rapidly. 

    He says we owe riders respect?  Really?  He doesn't think maybe they should have EARN it?

    He also is the little sh$t that said Kimmage  "has no place in the sport of cycling and doesn't deserve to write about it". Really?  You think this disgusting little clown is worth following?
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #243 on: September 11, 2012, 08:59 »
    In Spanish not sure if in English etc



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    More doping by old knows that by devil


    A devil called doping
    Verner Moller (Trad. Bernat López)
    Culture Cycling *, 1998

    Any question deserves to be subject to debate, although some issues have induced collective positioning that leaves no room for discussion. Doping is one of those subjects whose rejection allows some stakeholders agreed Obren unopposed on behalf of a laudable purpose muddied in the way to achieve it. Because only knowledge can develop a lucid opinion, Verner Moller (and Bernat López, whose translation, publishing and distribution has allowed the work reaches the reader Castilian) raise the debate evaded doping in cycling. "A devil called doping" reading becomes necessary in the days when the cyclist stops again present in a case of doping (no current) as the case Armstrong. Moller dismantles the arguments commonly used by current anti-doping and, based on a review of the history of cycling, made ​​their own arguments that allow you to conclude that "the main danger for the sport is all people of good will who seems not to understand that helpers have caught his arms in an embrace sport eventually suffocate suffocating ".


    However, this value does not mean work as considered necessary sacred. Moller reopens the debate on the existence of doping in elite sport, says that this is a consequence of elite sport as it is designed, in contrast to the ethics of moral judgments squad dumped by institutions and media with each new case doping, review the specific actions of the Danish press in a specific case and analyzes the existential quest that incites doping. Although this professor Danish Sports Science addresses at face value, and even gets to play down the impact of doping on the health of athletes, both amateur and professional.

    No doubt that a devil called doping plays discordant note in the concert sounds harmonious hegemonic doping during purging that is taking place in the cycling in the name of morality and health. It is not necessary to repeat its contents without question, nor is nod without thinking before speaking doping.

    * Culture Cycling is a cycling specialist microeditorial. You can purchase his work in cultural ciclista.com

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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #244 on: September 11, 2012, 13:11 »
    Pozzato out for three months for working with Ferrari.

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     Pozzato gets a three month ban for working with Dr Ferrari, meaning he can return to racing on 19 September.

    Seems it is backdated too, so he can start in 8 days. :fp

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    Edit: it gets better.

    According to the Inner Ring, the ban was only three months because of paperwork. Namely Ferrari wasnt on the list of banned persons yet, therefore Pozzato gets this 'light' version of a ban.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #245 on: September 11, 2012, 14:14 »
    http://www.coni.it/attivit%C3%A0-istituzionali/antidoping/18165-antidoping-il-tna-squalifica-per-3-mesi-il-ciclista-filippo-pozzato.html

    DOPING: The TNA disqualification for three months the rider Filippo Pozzato
    Tuesday, September 11, 2012
    The National Anti-Doping Tribunal, in the disciplinary proceedings against Filippo Pozzato, having regard to Articles. 17.7 and 19:13 of the Anti-Doping Rules of the Fund on 29 April 2005, and the same items of the same Regulations on December 22, 2005, as also Article 3.6 of the Anti-Doping Rules Sport of CONI on January 9, 2007, says responsibility of the athlete and deals 3 month ban, with effect from 19 June 2012 (date of notification) and deadline of September 18, 2012. It also condemns the athlete to pay the costs of the proceedings, calculated in 2000 Euros, and the economy penalty equal to 10 000 euro. Provides that the decision is communicated to, the prosecutor Doping, WADA, the UCI and FCI and company affiliation at the time.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #247 on: September 11, 2012, 21:08 »
    People think too much about how punishments should be dished out.

    Dope and you get lifetime ban, END OF. Set a precendent and after the first few riders lose their entire career, it will serve as a warning to any considering doping. That  is the only way imho that you will begin to properly clean up the sport.

    It'll never happen mind you, UCI is almost as corrupt as FIFA...
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #248 on: September 11, 2012, 21:25 »
    People think too much about how punishments should be dished out.

    Dope and you get lifetime ban, END OF. Set a precendent and after the first few riders lose their entire career, it will serve as a warning to any considering doping. That  is the only way imho that you will begin to properly clean up the sport.

    It'll never happen mind you, UCI is almost as corrupt as FIFA...

    i agree time for lifetime bans. Athletes are taking the pish by letting themselves be the guinea pigs for sponsors. If they haven't go the sense not to dope, flip them, ban them for life.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #249 on: September 11, 2012, 22:00 »
    The thing against lifetime bans are the like a contamination, sure there is the strict liability.. But a lifetime ban is too harsh for a first offense. But on the other hand, there is NO bigger deterrant to doping than strict punishments and extremely active controlling in competition and out of competition.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #250 on: September 11, 2012, 22:04 »
    The thing against lifetime bans are the like a contamination, sure there is the strict liability.. But a lifetime ban is too harsh for a first offense. But on the other hand, there is NO bigger deterrant to doping than strict punishments and extremely active controlling in competition and out of competition.
    They would be fully aware of the consequences and anyway..
    That is the thing, cycling have to get out of the habit of this all together.
    If cyclists know they can get away with it first time round then they what is the point?
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #251 on: September 11, 2012, 22:08 »

    If cyclists know they can get away with it first time round then they what is the point?

    Exactly my point!
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #252 on: September 11, 2012, 22:30 »
    They would be fully aware of the consequences and anyway..
    That is the thing, cycling have to get out of the habit of this all together.
    If cyclists know they can get away with it first time round then they what is the point?

    To many cyclists if not most getting caught is as bad as a life ban. If youy get caught you get spat on, your results are forever tainted, you get treated like a criminal,  you watch the likes of michael barry and phil ligget tell you they dont want your type in their sport,

    . Some like Kohl just say - flip it, ill take the life ban anyway. None ever get their life back the way it was and for some like Pantani it ends worse than for others.

    So the idea that cyclists dope thinking - meh if i get caught ill get an opportunity 2 years later, is imho very flawed as those 2 years are hell. The well known ones watch  their reputations dragged through the mud. The less well known ones will struggle to get onto a good team afterwards anyway.

    Life bans would have little impact rather than create the utopian view that the sport is always clean as all the dopers always get thrown out therefore everyone in the sport is clean. 
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #253 on: September 11, 2012, 22:34 »
    To many cyclists if not most getting caught is as bad as a life ban. If youy get caught you get spat on, your results are forever tainted, you get treated like a criminal you get told you are cheating the people you dope with, you watch the likes of michael barry and phil ligget tell you they dont want your tyep in their sport,

    . Some like Kohl just say - flip it, ill take the life ban anyway. None ever get their life back the way it was and for some like Pantani it ends worse than for others.

    So the idea that cyclists dope thinking - meh if i get caught ill get an opportunity 2 years later, is imho very flawed as those 2 years are hell. The well known ones watch  their reputations dragged through the mud. The less well known ones will struggle to get onto a good team afterwards anyway.

    Life bans would have little impact rather than create the utopian view that the sport is always clean as all the dopers always get thrown out therefore everyone in the sport is clean.

    I disagree somewhat. You only have to look at how Contador is behaving/speaking and how a lot of riders/fans have welcomed him back with open arms to see that a small ban is not a deterrent.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #254 on: September 12, 2012, 05:35 »
    I disagree somewhat. You only have to look at how Contador is behaving/speaking and how a lot of riders/fans have welcomed him back with open arms to see that a small ban is not a deterrent.

    It was bizarre that Contador only received diminished results and a 6 month ban. He sure looks great on the bike though, and he raises the bar on competiton, I thought the Tour was boring without him, and the Vuelta was great with Contador.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #258 on: September 18, 2012, 18:11 »
    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/raimondas-rumsas-carries-on-family-name-at-junior-world-championships

    The teenager is the son of the man who finished third in the 2002 Tour de France and of the woman – Edita Rumsas – who was stopped at the Franco-Italian border that July with a car boot filled with 37 different medicines and empty syringes with traces of EPO.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #259 on: September 18, 2012, 20:52 »
    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/raimondas-rumsas-carries-on-family-name-at-junior-world-championships

    The teenager is the son of the man who finished third in the 2002 Tour de France and of the woman – Edita Rumsas – who was stopped at the Franco-Italian border that July with a car boot filled with 37 different medicines and empty syringes with traces of EPO.

    Easy now ... didn't they tell you this was a new generation?  8)
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #260 on: September 21, 2012, 02:18 »
    Daniel Benson earning his pay on this one:

    Verbruggen Won't Take Legal Action Against Hamilton
    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/verbruggen-wont-take-legal-action-against-hamilton

    Dutchman reacts angrily to questions on Armstrong testing  >:(

    Some choice quotes here (and I think I'm going to get a lot of mileage out of this first one)
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    "The problem is we can't find Landis,"  :win Verbruggen told Cyclingnews as he poured himself a glass of wine at a worlds presentation in Valkenburg.
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    Asked if he had read [Rough Ride], which was published roughly at the same time his presidency began, Verbruggen said:
    "No. No. I have no need to read that. Why should I? I'm not in cycling any more. I've never read it. I don't read very much. I'm sorry to say but there's no need.
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    [Armstrong] has been controlled 500 times, maybe 200 times other than us."

    The claim of 500 tests has never been officially proven but current UCI President Pat McQuaid recently publicised that Armstrong had been tested 215 times by the UCI. However when Cyclingnews pointed out that they weren't aware of how many times Armstrong had been tested or which body had tested him each time, Verbruggen added:

    "You should. God dammit. You're here with your microphone embarrassing me with all types of questions. I'm mad at people like you.
    Indeed, Hein. Indeed. Grrrrr!  ;D

    Good job, Daniel.   :tu

    Now that I think about it, I would love to hear the audio from that event.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #261 on: September 21, 2012, 03:52 »
    All of his interviews where journalists aren't blowing his load, it's always the same.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #262 on: September 23, 2012, 08:46 »
    Millar time!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/19688373

    Hopefully somebody will provide a transcript for those who can't access it.


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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #263 on: September 23, 2012, 11:15 »
    Millar time!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/19688373

    Hopefully somebody will provide a transcript for those who can't access it.

     :win

    Strong, positive words from Millar there
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #264 on: September 23, 2012, 22:52 »
    To many cyclists if not most getting caught is as bad as a life ban. If youy get caught you get spat on, your results are forever tainted, you get treated like a criminal,  you watch the likes of michael barry and phil ligget tell you they dont want your type in their sport,

    . Some like Kohl just say - flip it, ill take the life ban anyway. None ever get their life back the way it was and for some like Pantani it ends worse than for others.

    So the idea that cyclists dope thinking - meh if i get caught ill get an opportunity 2 years later, is imho very flawed as those 2 years are hell. The well known ones watch  their reputations dragged through the mud. The less well known ones will struggle to get onto a good team afterwards anyway.

    Life bans would have little impact rather than create the utopian view that the sport is always clean as all the dopers always get thrown out therefore everyone in the sport is clean.

    Millar, Contadro, Valverde, Boonen, Basso, Scarponi, Sella all have had bans and all are back to winning ways. FFS even Di Luca is back racing and that guy was caught 3 times. No I dont think that they are that scared of Bans, it hurts but hell if they manage the ban and are quiet they can get back and winning too.

    I think if Landis accepted the ban said he was very sorry he would've gotten a ride again, maybe even with Garmin.

    No lifebans can be a good thing, but it must be measured by the fact the anti-doping body is truly independent and transparent.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #265 on: September 26, 2012, 13:48 »
    WADA announces the released of its Independent Observers' Report from the 2012 Olympics (PDF) fairly glowing at first glance.
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #266 on: September 27, 2012, 18:12 »
    Manuel Quinziato ‏@manuelquinziato
    No japaneses (riders, staff neither antidoping commissaries) in the proTour race in China! Do we really accept that?!
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #267 on: September 27, 2012, 18:33 »
    Manuel Quinziato ‏@manuelquinziato
    No japaneses (riders, staff neither antidoping commissaries) in the proTour race in China! Do we really accept that?!


    Well they accept the UCI going after 1 journalist and not others.

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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #268 on: September 27, 2012, 18:42 »
    The Chinese are not in any Japanese events now either.

    Really, would any govt in the world just let a 'nationalisation' of a disputed island be?
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    Re: Darkside - General news
    « Reply #269 on: September 28, 2012, 18:07 »
    Velverde down with a virus so wont be at II lombardia
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