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Steve Dank and Doping in Australian football codes
« on: February 05, 2013, 13:24 »
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/dank-has-crossed-codes-with-variety-of-sports-science-secrets-20130205-2dwlx.html



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Stephen Dank would research the DNA of star NRL players to help structure their training programs.

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- In 2008 Dank put it on the record that he did not do media interviews

- Dank was known to work with calves’ blood, altitude training machines, while his DNA program made Manly global pioneers

- Dank worked closely with Manly coach Dessie Hassler before joining Essendon

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/we-dig-into-the-archives-to-find-out-a-little-more-about-stephen-dank/story-e6frg6n6-1226571039971

here is a study done with others on a product on Fatigue and an antioxdant

The Effect of Antioxidant Supplementation on Fatigue during
Exercise: Potential Role for NAD+(H)


all came to light with his latest Job at Essendon  AFL club

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/drugs-probe-at-essendon-over-player-supplements-20130205-2dwmb.html

but Dank and Dean Robinson who worked together are linked to 2 other clubs Gold Coast and Geelong - Geelong the most successful club in the last decade

The people running the game new of the issue  and did not make it public - http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-was-told-of-peptides-inquiry-20130205-2dwvk.html

More on it http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/dream-teams-nightmare-20130205-2dwkc.html
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why quite boring for non Oz people there is a similar patent of cover up and there is a huge amount of money involved.

The AFL also have a 3 positive policy - they mainly look for recreational drugs , but another example of doping not in cycling
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    Been rumours about their "fitness" department for a while now.

    At face value you'd think they've handled it well, reporting it to the AFL and ASADA. But the whole "new information came to light in 24-48hrs" and "we don't think there has been any breach but we're just making sure" is ridiculous. It appears that someone was going to talk and they had to beat them to it, especially if they were going to ASADA which means the AFL wouldn't have been capable of covering it up. They are also using disgraceful language by trying to suggest they were taking "supplements". Injecting PEDs is injecting PEDs, you can't hide from that.

    At the press conference Hird almost looked distraught, not sure if it's because they had to go public or if he genuinely didn't know what was going on.
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    Been rumours about their "fitness" department for a while now.

    At face value you'd think they've handled it well, reporting it to the AFL and ASADA. But the whole "new information came to light in 24-48hrs" and "we don't think there has been any breach but we're just making sure" is ridiculous. It appears that someone was going to talk and they had to beat them to it, especially if they were going to ASADA which means the AFL wouldn't have been capable of covering it up. They are also using disgraceful language by trying to suggest they were taking "supplements". Injecting PEDs is injecting PEDs, you can't hide from that.

    At the press conference Hird almost looked distraught, not sure if it's because they had to go public or if he genuinely didn't know what was going on.

    if he did not know what was going on then he should be sacked

    bt mates who know Hird say he is as straight as they come so maybe he had no idea which means Bomber Thompson did
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    The Effect of Antioxidant Supplementation on Fatigue during
    Exercise: Potential Role for NAD+(H)


    Steve Dank. Department of Pharmacology, University of Sydney, Sydney, Australia

    Should tell you all you need to know. Not a sports scientist. Specialises in treatments which even if are not banned, may conceivably be banned in the future and stretch the boundaries of legality.
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    http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-02-06/dons-players-legal-threat

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    There is speculation that a growth hormone peptide, known as GHRP6, may be the substance in question.

    It's ok, just amino acids.
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    1 - you dont call USADA to investigate if there is nothing dodgy or questionable going on, so their claim that "there is no question of performance enhancing drugs being used" is ludicrous

    2 - realistically I would be amazed if, with all the money and profile of AFL in Australia, PED's were not used on a regular basis by quite a number of clubs.

    3 - One artice in the Age was talking about possibilities of what might happen if its found that the peptides they used did include banned substances

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    While the AFL is working with ASADA on the investigation, any potential punishment for the individuals - severe if proven - could be out of the AFL's hands as it would be required to fall in line with ASADA policy.

    Players potentially face bans of more than two years if found guilty of using performance-enhancing drugs.

    If the supplements were as widely used as feared, the club could face difficulty fielding a team this season.

    and speculation that Jobe Watson might be stripped of his brownlow too.

    And there is no question at all that this is club-sponsored ... so just imagine the law suits.  what a mess
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    http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-02-06/wed-be-shocked-and-disgusted


    "He's a disgruntled player that was delisted by the football club that very rarely turned up to pre-season training in any sort of form that resembled a professional footballer."

    :D
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    http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-02-06/wed-be-shocked-and-disgusted


    "He's a disgruntled player that was delisted by the football club that very rarely turned up to pre-season training in any sort of form that resembled a professional footballer."

    :D

    hmm - so they are slagging off the guy who came forward already ... does this attitude get injected along with the vitamins or what? 

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    hmm - so they are slagging off the guy who came forward already ... does this attitude get injected along with the vitamins or what?

    how do you say Omerta in OZ footy talk

    1. shut ur flipping pie hole

    2. thems me mates I ant dobbing in me mates

    or my personal fav Neil Stephens said I should say I though they were vitamin shots

    ok so 3 is not really an option  :cheesy  but 1 and 2 are  :lol
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    http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/club-link-to-drug-dealer-20130206-2dz05.html



    Who are these people Dr Ageless, the pharmacist, the weapon

    Bunch of superhero doping Muppets.

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    certainly its going to be interesting

    Ok - lots of speculation here, but lets say Essendon is found to have injected its players with a banned substance.

    the players co-operate with ASADA to get reduced sanctions - they can get a  6 month suspension ... possibly backdated to the offseason???

    Jobe Watson would have to lose his brownlow I would think, as all results obtained whilst using PED's have to be negated ...

    If the players are suspended for any time during the season, it was speculated by one journo that Essendon could struggle to field a team.

    Other than that, most players would probably get off in terms of respect from the public - as it is pretty clear that in this instance at least, the players believed that they were taking legal substances. 

    This would open up a huge house of cards though, as co-operating with ASADA means that players would have to talk in order to get reduced sanctions ... and they all move from club to club. 

    The Dr also worked for Gold Coast Suns ... Gary Ablett Jr ??? 


    The law suits against Essendon are going to be massive. The club would also HAVE to be sanctioned by the AFL in a massive way.  They might be anyway for breaches of ethics even if the substances are not found to be banned.

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    You have to think there has to be issues in Australian sport. Given the access people have to Steroids in Gyms in sydney can they really say no rugby league guys have been taking them?

    And have you watched a game of AFL? Any sport where a group of large muscular guys can run around for a good 2.5 hours on a massive pitch has got to be suspect :)

    also think your average rugby league fan would probably care as much about steroids as your average baseball fan.
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    Funny the scope is limited to wacko peptides and stuff... With no suggestion of O2 vectors involved, AFL will get off pretty lightly.
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    I dont know that they will Arbiter.

    The rest will come into it ... it only takes 1 to start talking.

    Rugby Union doesnt seem to have been mentioned in there yet - but surely the ARU has to get a guernsey in all this as well
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    You have to think there has to be issues in Australian sport. Given the access people have to Steroids in Gyms in sydney can they really say no rugby league guys have been taking them?

    And have you watched a game of AFL? Any sport where a group of large muscular guys can run around for a good 2.5 hours on a massive pitch has got to be suspect :)

    also think your average rugby league fan would probably care as much about steroids as your average baseball fan.

    there were rumors about West Coast when they entered the AFL and massive amounts of Testosterone used in pre season Dean Capobianco´s back room boys were involved. What was that 20 years ago - so been going on for a while.

    But agree fans do not give a sh*t
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    I'll have to disagree with the fans DGAF logic. They'll watch the sport knowing full well that there's likely doping there, how is that different from a cycling fan especially?
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    I'll have to disagree with the fans DGAF logic. They'll watch the sport knowing full well that there's likely doping there, how is that different from a cycling fan especially?

    Not the average football fan in Australia Ram, they would no idea and would think they were clean, but if you suggested that it was the case they would be who cares a little of the juice is ok

    But doping was always another countries issue, we had a few bad seeds but Australians don´t dope - that would be 80-90% of sports fans in Australia.

    Cycling is a rare bird in that we all know it goes on, but spend a large amount of time discssiing who might be clean or who is not
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    I don't know about the majority, but the first post on a couple other forums was- it comes as no surprise.

    The ones cheering this the most should be the NZRU. Been facing some competition from the NRL recently; this should take a hit at least from New Zealand.
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    Some of the articles in todays paper are pretty interesting

    This one especially - about avoiding tests or avoiding testing posative

    http://www.theage.com.au/sport/there-are-many-ways-to-avoid-drug-testing-20130207-2e1ot.html

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    When I was injured, I would get ‘‘needled up’’ so I could get on the field and keep playing' ... a former professional footballer tells of his experiences with drugs in sport. Photo: Vince Caligiuri

    Nowadays, in some codes that's a no-no. If a player has an injury, they're not allowed to needle them to get them on the field.
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    That would be easy to get around, though. If a player who has had a needle was tapped on the shoulder for random drug testing at the end of a game, he could easily evade detection.

    For example, he could claim to have a nick on his head that he needs to get stitched up before peeing in the bottle.

    A medico could put a few stitches in and give the player another needle in that spot. Then when the player peed in the bottle and the reading came up that there was something in his system, it would look as though it had simply been administered after the game. The earlier stuff would have been masked.

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    Most of the time if a player has used a banned substance, it's going to be about recovery. From injuries and just in the course of a season, between hard training sessions or heavy games, anything that will help you recover quicker gives you the edge over the other blokes training as hard as you are.

    I came close once. I had a long-term injury that never got better. I'd done all my rehab and physio and there was no resolution.

    I remember talking to the doc and saying ,''I just want to get better, is there a shortcut?'' - meaning what kind of steroid or something could I take to make this go away because I can't play like this.

    Luckily, the doctor said I should give it some more thought and I never went down that path, but it came down to a moral choice.
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    Next one is about Shane Carter - a biochemist who worked with a lot of football players

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    Essendon Football Club also confirmed on Thursday that senior coach James Hird had received dietary advice from a convicted drug trafficker alleged to have provided potentially illegal supplements to the club's sports science staff last year.

    Hird worked with biochemist Shane Charter in 2003 and 2004 while club captain. There is no suggestion Hird ever took banned substances.

    Mr Charter was arrested by Victoria Police drug squad detectives in 2004 after being found in possession of 100,000 pseudoephedrine tablets. He received a reduced prison term after striking a deal with Crown prosecutors to testify against a co-accused later found not guilty.

    Fairfax Media has learnt that during his prosecution, investigators compiled a list of about 30 high-profile AFL players who were working closely with Mr Charter. It is believed the names could have been disclosed during the prosecution had he not struck the Crown deal.

    Sources say Mr Charter was highly regarded in the fitness scene in the early 2000s. It is understood several Essendon players attended a training camp near Bendigo run by him around 2003-04.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/dockers-sponsor-fined-3-million-for-unlawful-imports-20130207-2e1hu.html#ixzz2KGjACVxI
    training camps and sports science ... the whole scene is sounding remarkably familiar

    this article by the way is actually about another AFL club (fremantle dockers) who's sponsor imports butritional supplements
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    and this article is especially alarming

    http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/war-on-sports-scientists-20130207-2e1i1.html

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    Fairfax Media can confirm that Essendon footballers were injected in their stomachs by sacked sports official Stephen Dank at the club last season as well as being intravenously fed supplements at a botox clinic near Windy Hill.
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    A medico could put a few stitches in and give the player another needle in that spot. Then when the player peed in the bottle and the reading came up that there was something in his system, it would look as though it had simply been administered after the game. The earlier stuff would have been masked.
    How is that "masking"?
    They still injected the player. In cycling terms this would be an out-of-competition test, wouldn't it?
    Unless of course they injected a substance that isn't banned, like common painkillers...
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