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Since starting Oman, Sagan has competed in 20 races, winning 8, finishing 2nd 4x & 2 other Top Tens.

  8/20 = 40% Winning Percentage   
12/20 = 60% Top Two (or Podium)Percentage 
14/20 = 70% Top 10 Percentage   

10/04/2013  1  Brabantse Pijl   
31/03/2013  2  Ronde van Vlaanderen 
28/03/2013 DNS  Driedaagse De Panne-Koksijde, Stage 3a
27/03/2013  DNF    Driedaagse De Panne-Koksijde, Stage 2
26/03/2013  1    Driedaagse De Panne-Koksijde, Stage 1
24/03/2013  1    Gent - Wevelgem 
22/03/2013  2     E3 Prijs Vlaanderen - Harelbeke 
17/03/2013  2     Milano - Sanremo
12/03/2013  21   Tirreno - Adriatico, Stage 7 
11/03/2013  1     Tirreno - Adriatico, Stage 6
10/03/2013  32   Tirreno - Adriatico, Stage 5 
09/03/2013  98   Tirreno - Adriatico, Stage 4
08/03/2013  1     Tirreno - Adriatico, Stage 3
07/03/2013   9    Tirreno - Adriatico, Stage 2
06/03/2013  4     Tirreno - Adriatico, Stage 1
02/03/2013   2     Strade Bianche 
28/02/2013  1      GP Citta di Camaiore   
14/02/2013   96   Tour of Oman, Stage 4, DNS Stage 5
13/02/2013    1    Tour of Oman, Stage 3   
12/02/2013    1    Tour of Oman, Stage 2 
11/02/2013   32   Tour of Oman, Stage 1

Not including Tour of Luis, a warm up race.



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    hmm - there is a lot of 2nd's there

    maybe a new option for the 2nd prize?      :D   :D   :D


    seriously though - well done for Brabantse Pijl.  He rode really well.  BMC rode a pretty smart race - GVA and Phil worked together to both make the selection and follow moves once they were all in.  When GVA followed someone off the front it made Sagan have to do all the work himself for a fair while to the finish ... which gave Phil the best chance of beating him in the sprint.

    The fact that Sagan still won it just shows how good he really is.

    AGR should be a fun race to watch
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    Sagan is king!

    3 Star stages --- RED Stage hunter stages (except St. 9, 2 star)
    2 Star           --- Green Sprint stages (except St. 5, 3 star)
    1 Star            --- Polka Dot Climber stages (except St. 16, 19, 2 stars)
    0 Star            --- Blue TT stages

    Will be interesting seeing Sagan on attack in the final week in the Mountains!






    http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/05/amgen-tour-of-california/analysis-sagan-overcomes-trappings-of-expectation_286716

    http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/06/news/peter-sagan-wins-stage-8-of-the-2013-tour-de-suisse_291019
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  • « Last Edit: June 24, 2013, 22:47 by Blackbandit222 »

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    He said he'd be back, the Tourminator returns.  :cool:
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    Been super impressive this Tour, he did exactly what he needed to do to win green. Hope the dye he used is permanent, cause he'll be wearing green for the next 10 years at least.  :D

    Also, cycling needs more guys with Sagan's attitude and approach to racing. This is just awesome what he did! :niceday





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    Chris Boardman was speculating after yesterday's stage that the organisers might re-jig the points jersey again. Sagan was Mr Consistent and thoroughly deserved to win green, but he was far from being the best sprinter at the Tour.
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    Chris Boardman was speculating after yesterday's stage that the organisers might re-jig the points jersey again. Sagan was Mr Consistent and thoroughly deserved to win green, but he was far from being the best sprinter at the Tour.

    The Green Jersey (Pts competition) & Polka-Dot Jersey (Mtns competition) are not there to identify or reward the best sprinter & climber.  They are secondary competitions add to the tour to create more entertainment and drama.  The Green jersey is given to the most consistently high placed finisher, sort of an overall not based on time but points.

    If it was meant for the best sprinter Cippolini would of won several (if he could finish the tour),  Pettachi would have atleast one, Cavendish would of won more then his one and Kittel would of won this year.

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    The points classification in the Tour de France is a secondary competition in the Tour de France, that started in 1953. Points are given for high finishes in a stage and for winning intermediate sprints, and these are recorded in a points classification. It is considered a sprinters' competition. The leader is indicated by a green jersey which has become a symbol for the points classification in the sense that when a cyclist wins the points classification, he is said to 'win the green jersey'.[1]

    Repeat Green Jersey winners
    Rank Name Country Wins Years
    1 Erik Zabel  Germany 6 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001
    2 Sean Kelly  Ireland 4 1982, 1983, 1985, 1989
    3 Jan Janssen  Netherlands 3 1964, 1965, 1967
    Eddy Merckx  Belgium 3 1969, 1971, 1972
    Freddy Maertens  Belgium 3 1976, 1978, 1981
    Djamolidine Abdoujaparov  Uzbekistan 3 1991, 1993, 1994
    Robbie McEwen  Australia 3 2002, 2004, 2006
    8 Stan Ockers  Belgium 2 1955, 1956
    Jean Graczyk  France 2 1958, 1960
    André Darrigade  France 2 1959, 1961
    Laurent Jalabert  France 2 1992, 1995
    Thor Hushovd  Norway 2 2005, 2009
    Peter Sagan  Slovakia 2 2012, 2013

    Same w/ the Dots - No Indurain, Ulrich, Pantani.
    Hinault had only 1, and Merckx only 2.

    Repeat Polka-Dot Jersey Winners
    Rank Name Country Wins Years
    1 Richard Virenque  France 7 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1999, 2003, 2004
    2 Federico Bahamontes  Spain 6 1954, 1958, 1959, 1962, 1963, 1964
    Lucien Van Impe  Belgium 6 1971, 1972, 1975, 1977, 1981, 1983
    4 Julio Jiménez  Spain 3 1965, 1966, 1967
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    I actually think they have got the jersey points for both green and polka dots pretty right.

    #green - Kittel might be a bit disappointed ... winning 4 stages and still not getting the green jersey might be a little hard done by, but Sagan was in the lead group so consistently ... thats what its all about.

    #kom - I hated how it used to be easy for a guy to go in the break and use those to win the jersey.  It should be for actual climbers doing actual mountains.  And weighted to the end of the stage.   I think they have it right.
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    If it was meant for the best sprinter Cippolini would of won several (if he could finish the tour),  Pettachi would have atleast one, Cavendish would of won more then his one and Kittel would of won this year.

    Petacchi does have one. 
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    Petacchi does have one.

    Huh, I missed 2010.  I was focused on years between Cippolini and Cavendish when he was with Fassa Bortolo and Milram.  Interestingly, enough he didn't even go top three those years.  He was a late bloomer I think, was focused on Giro being Italian and probably quit in mtns.  By 2010 in his mid 30s he developed endurance to finish race.

    Wiki:
    The points classification is widely thought of as the "sprinter's competition", since the most points are scored in flat stages, in which the riders generally remain together in one large peloton, leaving the best sprinters at the end to fight for the stage win.[3] However, to win the competition a rider will need a reasonable level of all-round skills as well as strong sprinting, since he will need to finish within the time limit on mountain stages to remain in contention, and ideally will be able to contest intermediate sprints during mountain stages as well. For example, Mario Cipollini was one of the best sprinters of his era but was never in contention for the points classification because he was unwilling to make it through the mountain stages and finish the race (however, he did finish the Giro d'Italia and won its points classification several times).

    Giro:
    1990      Gianni Bugno (ITA)   Chateau d'Ax-Salotti
    1991      Claudio Chiappucci (ITA)   Carrera Jeans-Tassoni
    1992      Mario Cipollini (ITA)   GB-MG Maglificio
    1993      Adriano Baffi (ITA)   Mercatone Uno-Zucchini-Medeghini
    1994      Djamolidine Abdoujaparov (UZB)   Team Polti-Vaporetto
    1995      Tony Rominger (SUI)   Mapei-GB-Latexco
    1996      Fabrizio Guidi (ITA)   Scrigno-Blue Storm
    1997      Mario Cipollini (ITA)   Saeco
    1998      Mariano Piccoli (ITA)   Brescialat-Liquigas
    1999      Laurent Jalabert (FRA)   ONCE-Deutsche Bank
    2000      Dimitri Konyshev (RUS)   Fassa Bortolo
    2001      Massimo Strazzer (ITA)   Mobilvetta Design
    2002      Mario Cipollini (ITA)   Acqua e Sapone-Cantina Tollo
    2003      Gilberto Simoni (ITA)   Saeco Macchine per Caffè
    2004      Alessandro Petacchi (ITA)   Fassa Bortolo
    2005      Paolo Bettini (ITA)   Quick Step-Innergetic
    2006      Paolo Bettini (ITA)   Quick Step-Innergetic
    2007      None
    2008      Daniele Bennati (ITA)   Liquigas
    2009      Denis Menchov2 (RUS)   Rabobank
    2010      Cadel Evans (AUS)   BMC Racing Team
    2011      Michele Scarponi3 (ITA)   Lampre-ISD
    2012      Joaquim Rodríguez (ESP)   Team Katusha
    2013      Mark Cavendish (GBR)   Omega Pharma-Quick Step
    [3]



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    Final Green Jersey Standings
    1   Peter Sagan (Svk) Cannondale Pro Cycling   409   pts
    2   Mark Cavendish (GBr) Omega Pharma-Quick Step   312   
    3   André Greipel (Ger) Lotto Belisol   267   
    4   Marcel Kittel (Ger) Team Argos-Shimano   222   
    5   Alexander Kristoff (Nor) Katusha   177   

    20x18=360       1st place at Int. sprint x # of stages minus TTs
    409-222=187   Pts between Sagan and Kittel

    If Kittel had participated in the Intermediate sprints and still won four stages then he might of won Green.

    Sagan would have been forced to be more aggressive in Alps.
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    I don't think re-designing the points competition after only a few years with the current format would do any good.

    This year, we had the problem that the dominant sprinter (Kittel) was content with just winning stages and didn't go for the jersey (through also contesting intermediate sprints). Thus we had Cavendish and Greipel, who both could have pushed Sagan much more if they'd won more stages, being the only competition for the eventual winner.

    To be honest, I'm not sure I like the new concept with 1 big intermediate sprint so much. Under the old format (6-4-2 points each at 3 intermediate sprints), the intermediate points would mostly get taken by the break - and occasionally the sprinters would compete for the leftovers, but winning or losing those 2 or 4 points on a stage wouldn't make or break your #vert campaign. As it is now, you can't afford not to go for it at each and every intermediate (which is how Sagan won).
    In the "old days" (and with that, I mean ~10 years ago), sprinters would simply battle it out for stage wins (and #yellow, as we still had bonus seconds back then) in the first flat stages. Only after that, they would assess the situation regarding #vert and decide to go for it if they were placed reasonable.
    I'd like that back, instead of having only those riders in with a shot at winning that make it their foremost objective from day 1.
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    Can Sagan win The Tour of Alberta???

    http://tourofalberta.ca/site/

    Race appears largely flat.  Guess it depends on if bonus seconds are available.

    Post Merge: August 17, 2013, 05:33
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    With six stops along the 900-kilometre tour being dedicated to sprint cycling, Sagan is sure to be a favourite to win the Tour of Alberta. 


    http://www.edmontonjournal.com/sports/Cycling+star+Peter+Sagan+expected+compete+September+Tour+Alberta/8760762/story.html
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  • « Last Edit: August 17, 2013, 05:33 by Blackbandit222, Reason: Merged DoublePost »

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    bump

    http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/09/news/road/sagan-tailors-late-season-for-run-at-the-world-title_303494

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    “He’s going better this year. His head’s in it [the world championships]. When you’re mentally ready, it’s easier,” Cannondale trainer Paolo Slongo said. “Last year or the previous years, he was already unplugged, and we didn’t want to push him. He raced, but he was more relaxed. He’s more concentrated this time around.”
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    “He’s improved on the climbs for this season. He’s going better than the last years. It’s harder to drop him,” said Slongo. “He’s a fast sprinter, so it would be better for him if it’s relaxed earlier on so that he has more energy for the final. If they start putting him in difficulty right away on the start of the circuits, it’ll suit Vincenzo Nibali [Italy] or Joaquím Rodríguez [Spain].”
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    “Two-hundred kilometers and five hours is one thing; 250 kilometers and seven hours is another,” Bettini told VeloNews. “Over 250 kilometers he’s always been beatable.”
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    Libertine posted that on cn



     :dizzy  :yum  :dizzy
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    you can get that in the next Peter Sagan collection btw, together with other classy shirts like

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    He really does need a slap
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  • Of course, if this turns out someday to be the industry standard integrated handlebar-computer-braking solution then I'll eat my kevlar-reinforced aerodynamic hat.

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    He really does need a slap

    no argument on that one from me  :P
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     :'(
    Your just upset that Sagan has slapped Gilbert around all year.
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    you can get that in the next Peter Sagan collection btw, together with other classy shirts like



    Some quality apparel there.   where can one buy such items?    :luv
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    Some quality apparel there.   where can one buy such items?    :luv

    Most markets in touist towns in the mediteranian always have that kind of apparel, along with other classy shirts like this one...
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    Sagan wins the "Stage of the Year"
     

    Hope this isnt the guy Dim was upset at for posting to much of the race.
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    I'm super pumped to see Marcato ( http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/rider.asp?riderid=2879 ), Gatto ( http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/rider.asp?riderid=3940 ) & Hoogerland ( http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/rider.asp?riderid=2338 ) ride w/ Sagan.
    Marcato was a top 50 rider on CQ three straight years before this 2013, Gatto was a Top 200 rider the past 4 yrs and Hoogerland best known for a crash; was in the top 200 for 4 yrs prior 2013 and used to be a consistent top 25 finisher in the classics.
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    Miss the days of Capecchi and Nibali setting pace for Sagan on the climbs but Scarponi, Marcato and Gatto will be great.  Im having wet dreams about MSR already!  Hoogers in the break, Scarponi n Villella setting a high tempo on climbs, Marcato crushing it up the Poggio, Gatto with a fierce leadout....
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    With the horrible National jersey Sagan is sporting I figured, why not give it a go at the design.
    Before:

    After:


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