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Laura Trott
« on: May 01, 2013, 22:06 »
http://teamgb-new.pirata.co.uk/news/road-gives-double-olympic-champion-trott-fresh-motivation

It is hard to work out how bad this piece of journalism is.   It is infuriating in the UK where there is little concept of how road and track relate to each other for the men and for the women absolutely no idea, pieces like this do not add to the sum of knowledge.  Women's road gets precious little coverage and a fluff piece like this does nobody any favours.  It was good to see Trott King and Rowsal giving the road a go and perhaps it would be healthy for Trott's comments to get a bit more coverage.  In the UK we might then understand what we had in recent years.
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    Re: Laura Trott
    « Reply #1 on: May 02, 2013, 00:37 »
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    ...it is only a short sabbatical before the serious business of the track returns...
    I beg your pardon?
    Seriously?

    I appreciate how track cycling has a big standing in the UK, but this is the very first time I've read that track cycling should be the "serious business" with road cycling being something of an afterthought, something you could do if you wanted, but nothing that should get any attention at all.

    Geraint Thomas' decision (and I'm sorry to have to bring a men's example in here, but it conveys my point nicely) to forego the cobbled classics last year in order to focus on the team pursuit in London was one of the stupidest decisions I've ever seen in cycling. It took him completely out of the 2012 classics season, and was still affecting his classics riding this year. We have no idea what long-term effects it will have, but I could see that team pursuit being the difference between him becoming a Museeuw/van Petegem (palmarès-concerned) or a Hoste/Nuyens. A gold medal that, frankly, nobody on this side of the Channel really cares about (and one in an event that he already won in 2008, at that) would be a very insufficient consolation for that.
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    Re: Laura Trott
    « Reply #2 on: May 02, 2013, 01:55 »
    (and one in an event that he already won in 2008, at that) would be a very insufficient consolation for that.

    while I agree with your point Fus - I am pretty sure GT is fairly happy with his decision.

    winning an olympic gold medal in front of your home crowd isnt something he will ever regret.   Its that important to English (and Aussies, you wouldnt get an Aussie who wouldnt do it in a heartbeat either).

    Having said that - the piece is just stupid, and my opinion of Laura Trott has gone down a level or two in saying such things.  In demeaning road cycling she isnt doing herself any favours.
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    Re: Laura Trott
    « Reply #3 on: May 02, 2013, 09:58 »
    Instead of being patient and accepting that her track achievements count for little in the road peloton, she sounds like she made her choice already. Or else the pseudojourno wanted to spin the story in a certain direction (this is, after all, an official British Olympic website).

    At the same time - and having a sister with more road experience than her - Trott has probably learned already that women's road racing won't earn her a living like doing track alongside personal appearances and for those she needs to stay onboard the Good Ship Olympic Afterglow.

    If there's anything disappointing in this for me, it's that Trott appears to be writing off her road chances quite early after just a few races.

    If she's just talking that way out of endearing modesty, then it's not coming across. On the other hand, if she seriously expected to turn up and compete with people like Wild, Teutenberg, Johansson, Bronzini, Stevens, Vos ... (long, long list) within just a few races, then it's time to go home and open a few supermarkets.

    Personally though, I would agree with her - on the face of it she isn't good enough: mentally. If it only takes four months' racing to talk herself out of a road career, then perhaps she's right in that she doesn't have the stamina for it after all.
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    Re: Laura Trott
    « Reply #4 on: May 02, 2013, 10:28 »
    while I agree with your point Fus - I am pretty sure GT is fairly happy with his decision.

    winning an olympic gold medal in front of your home crowd isnt something he will ever regret.   Its that important to English (and Aussies, you wouldnt get an Aussie who wouldnt do it in a heartbeat either).
    I'm sure he is, and rightly so. I probably would have made the same decision, to be honest.
    I just think that, 30-50 years from now, when grumpy old Belgians stand at the roadside watching Le Samyn and discuss cycling, they won't remember two team pursuit gold medals. They would remember any winner of the Ronde or Paris-Roubaix.
    But obviously it's not too late yet, and I sincerely hope that GT will make his way into the ramblings of grumpy old Belgians in due time.
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    Re: Laura Trott
    « Reply #5 on: May 02, 2013, 14:35 »
    I beg your pardon?
    Seriously?

    Seems fair to me.  If your clear talent has pigeonholed you into a specific category and in it you excel, clearly that is going to be the one you target and care about and anything else is just a break from your longer term objectives.

    I don't think I have met many pure trackies who would accept that track is less serious or a step below than road...  And obviouslt road riders feel the same way about track sprinters...   :D
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    Re: Laura Trott
    « Reply #6 on: May 02, 2013, 18:03 »
    Oh sure, if it's read as only applying to Trott, I have no problem with it.
    Plenty of riders are better at track cycling, and make it their "main event", rightly so.

    But when I read the article the first time, I understood it as being a general classification: Track = the stuff we excel and win Olympic gold medals in, and that everybody cares about, road = that other thing that's also there.
    And I think you will agree with me that that's nonsense.
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    Re: Laura Trott
    « Reply #7 on: May 02, 2013, 18:46 »
    I have heard her say elsewhere that one of the things she likes about the track is the certainty of victory.  Before the games last summer, they knew that they could cycle 3km at a certain number of watts and that therefore their time would be x, and that no other teams could live with that - therefore gold was (as far as is possible) secure.  The implication was that she was purely focussed on the victory.  Not saying that ultimately all cyclists aren't wired that way, but as she also said in this interview, on the road there are innumerable other variables, that diminish her prospects of victory.

    Regarding G, from a purely British perspective, him going for the TP in the Games was a no brainer.  It's only in the last 18 months - since Copenhagen - that road cycling in the UK has started to get a decent amount of positive coverage.  Even if he had won both Flanders and Roubaix last year, he wouldn't have got anything like the coverage that came his way after the Olympics.  He is still young, and seems prepared to focus solely on the road from now on, so fingers crossed he can still realise his potential.
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    Re: Laura Trott
    « Reply #8 on: May 02, 2013, 19:50 »
    As someone that has been at the sharp end of both track and road success I can see both sides of the argument tbh... a lot of it has to do with 'strike-rate' and the unpredictable nature of road racing... Geraint weighed his options, as I'm sure has Laura. I always viewed myself as a roadie that did well on the track, but there are those that the converse is true for. My advice? Don't pigeon-hole yourself... just ride your bike... and ride it harder and faster than others.  ;)
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    Re: Laura Trott
    « Reply #9 on: May 02, 2013, 20:11 »
    Oh sure, if it's read as only applying to Trott, I have no problem with it.
    Plenty of riders are better at track cycling, and make it their "main event", rightly so.

    But when I read the article the first time, I understood it as being a general classification: Track = the stuff we excel and win Olympic gold medals in, and that everybody cares about, road = that other thing that's also there.
    And I think you will agree with me that that's nonsense.
    Agreed - that is what it was saying.  Agreed that is nonsense  and that is what caused me to post the link.  Had me leaping off the chair.  We had Cooke and Pooley who could not get a column centimetre with World Cup wins or even getting wins in the Fleche or that memorable time when they were 1, 2 with Vos in their wake.  Studiously ignored by all the Journos who have now discovered cycling.

    All the time we had a background noise of "Pendleton is the queen of British women's cycling", as they all looked the other way as the officials made excuses to give out the full set of medals at the CG when the rules state with so few competitors they should only give out Gold and Silver.   Now Vic has retired we have the "team pursuit girls are the greatest riders ever" and when they go and do something and it proves exactly the relationship between women's road and track, and exposes the relative achievements we have been witnessing, it is all dismissed as weird and let's get back to track, which is where the serious stuff is. 

    Appears to be written by a teenager on work experience.
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    Re: Laura Trott
    « Reply #10 on: May 02, 2013, 20:26 »
      Before the games last summer, they knew that they could cycle 3km at a certain number of watts and that therefore their time would be x, and that no other teams could live with that - therefore gold was (as far as is possible) secure.
    Yep that is exactly as I understood it before the games even started and the fastest GB times were with Wendy in the trio.  Wendy was murdered by the press and BC. Shane and Dave must have been in hysterics.  Anyone know what she is doing this year ?

      It's only in the last 18 months - since Copenhagen - that road cycling in the UK has started to get a decent amount of positive coverage.
    Absolutely right.  Any British road success pre BC inventing it in 2010/11, only detracted from the "we dominate World Cycling - which is incidentally all about the track" story put out by BC and the UK media.  That those British road successes were female centric and produced by females who stood apart from any BC program meant they were to all practical purposes written down at all levels.  I think it is only this year, with the exploits of the Brit track girls on the road, that the lie is being exposed.
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    Re: Laura Trott
    « Reply #11 on: May 03, 2013, 06:19 »
    I think it is only this year, with the exploits of the Brit track girls on the road, that the lie is being exposed.

    Not that they have exactly done that much so far on the road (unsurprisingly), but still, at least it gets the sport more coverage.  A real shame that Pooley effectively retired, Cooke has definitely retired, and Armitstead is having a stinker of a season, as those are the riders who perhaps 'deserve', to have greater media exposure which would have come their way this year.  A big positive of the track girls racing on the road was the media fanfare surrounding the launch of Wiggle Honda - baby steps, but at least the media were taking a significant interest (although we do know have to put up with any sort of success as 'the greatest cycling win evahhhh' - e.g. Trott taking the young riders jersey in the Energiewacht after staying away in the break).  A bit of perspective still needed...
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    « Reply #12 on: August 23, 2013, 06:42 »
    really appreciated Fus you raise good points.Thumbs up for you buddy.
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    Re: Laura Trott
    « Reply #13 on: August 23, 2013, 07:21 »
    Don't see what the fuss is about myself. Seems pretty straightforward. A world famous Olympic track champion has a crack at road to blow out the cobwebs after what must have been an exhausting build up to 2012. She enjoys a tiny bit of success but acknowledges her track specialism hinders the endurance side of road.

    2016 beckons and so she now wants to devote her time to preparing for that. Seems fair enough to me. Frankly Women's track IS much bigger than women's road in the UK so it seems a good choice for her to make for herself.
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    Re: Laura Trott
    « Reply #14 on: August 23, 2013, 09:08 »
    Since this article was published, I have noticed a couple of other quotes from her that confirm her stance: she is self-deprecatory about her efforts on the road and her main aim is the track.
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