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GPS ride tracking software
« on: May 03, 2013, 21:34 »
Interested in knowing what people have tried and like.

My first foray into GPS mapping was the Garmin Edge 605. Was very impressed with it generally, but now its starting to look very dated. The website isnt easy to use, uploading rides is a pain in the arse, downloading rides is a pain in the arse, and generally none of it is very intuative.

First up in the testing was Strava. Will go into this in more depth in another post, but basically I hated it. For something that is meant to be simple it was very clunky, and I really dont go for all this competative segments lark.. So I moved on.

At the moment testing out Endomondo.

Testing it on Android Galaxy S2, so reasonable amount of power available. Downloading the app and registering was a breeze, and their website is wonderfully simple. You can like other apps search for routes locally both via your phone and on the website, and creating routes on the website was incredibly easy. Then turn on the phone, look under your routes, and there it is.

Firing up the android app, and it connected to the gps almost immediately, and the interface is lovely and sleek, modern and easy to use.

All the fields are customizable but to use things like HRM you need either the premium app or a subscription.. (Endomondo is a bit confusing over its subscriptions. The basic app is free, then theres a paid app, which gives more features, then theres the subscription option which offers more features still).
A quick swipe to the right and you can see the map overview of where you are, and with the pro app you also get telemetry data such as profile and speeds.

What I did like was the audio prompts. With headphones on and music playing every km a little voice would tell me what my pace was for that Km, which is kinda nice (it also told me when I lost gps) and also told me everytime i paused the timer because i had stopped and then reassured me when it restarted the timer again (something Strava doesnt seem to do).

Finished the ride, pressed stop, turned on the computer and there it was, already uploaded to the site.

Pro's:
Really simple to use
Locked on GPS superbly
Easy to create routes online
Really nice interface

Downsides:
Bit confusing wether to go pro version of the app or subscription
Lockscreen, Endomondo does have a "prevent phone from sleeping" option, but like Strava and others it doesnt have a simple lockscreen widget which is highly frustrating. However at least unlocking your screen goes straight to the app, unlike strava where you have to unlock the lockscreen and the unlock strava.


FREE features:
* Track any outdoor sport including duration, distance, speed and calories
* Enter a workout manually, e.g., a treadmill run or weight training
* Get audio feedback for every mile or km while exercising
* Get live peptalks from friends - they write a short text on our website which is then read out loud to you seconds later
* See your route on a map
* Track your heart rate (works with Polar Wearlink® + transmitter with Bluetooth® and Zephyr heart rate monitor)
* View history of workouts and study split times per km or mile
* Set a distance goal and have the audio coach speak to that as your target
* Sync workouts across multiple platforms (web entry, certain watches, file import - signup required)
* Post workouts to Facebook Timeline
* See your friends' latest workouts in real-time
* Race against a friend’s time and have the audio coach help you perform better
* Compete on a specific route nearby and race against the route champion
* Follow your friends' latest activities with the social widget on your phone's home screen
* Keep a log of your music playlist for each workout
* Study routes nearby and use the map to navigate your way around
* Set the app to pause automatically when you are not moving
* Enable countdown
* Customize the main screen to show the information that you find most valuable
* Get instant feedback by tapping your (wired) headset’s media button
* Pause and resume a workout by long pressing your (wired) headset's media button
* Integrate with bike speed & cadence and heart rate monitor sensors using ANT+
* Integrate with SonyEricsson's Smartwitch as a SmartExtra
* Access all your online settings: Profile, sharing, privacy, workout, audio & accessories
* Heart rate zones in workout summary (Premium/subscription feature)
* Weather info in workout summary (Premium/subscription feature)

PRO features: ($5 app)
* Interval programs: Choose from three programs or create your own and let the audio coach guide you
* Graphs: View graphs with your lap times, heart rate, speed and altitude throughout the workout
* Beat yourself: Set a previous workout as your goal and the audio coach will help you perform better this time
* Low power mode: Increase the battery standby time by using this feature for long workouts
* Pedometer: Use the step counter feature to track workouts when you don't have GPS coverage, e.g., indoor (NEW)
* Customized Audio Coach: Customize how often you get audio feedback and what information is read aloud to you (NEW)
* Time goal: Choose a duration for your workout and the audio coach will help you reach the time goal
* Calorie goal: Set a calorie goal for your workout and the audio coach will guide you

So the pro app offers more than the free app, and then there is subscription options for additional features. A bit complicated.

Overall
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Kew within minutes I liked it more than Strava.. Even if only for green and white versus the hideous orange that Strava uses. Creating routes is a peice of cake, incredibly simple to use.
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    Re: GPS ride tracking software
    « Reply #1 on: May 03, 2013, 22:20 »


    I'm using a Garmin Edge 800 (not the very, very latest model but still recent) with the GarminConnect online tools and, apart from the usual Garmin lack of attention to detail, I really like it.

    The mapping is basically just a choice of OpenStreetMaps, Google or (ugh) Bing, but cycle lanes here in Belgium are also marked. Planning routes in conjunction with StreetView is a must.

    I'm not a power user uploading all sorts of data but for GPS navigation and a HRM, which is what I use it for, it's a solid solution.





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    Re: GPS ride tracking software
    « Reply #2 on: May 03, 2013, 23:06 »
    Endomondo is kool but having some issues like time/count down to start, which I use when put helmet or jacket when winter coz if I start endomondo even with auto-pause on, it still start working and seconds are going, I did not like that.
    Also when running or hiking sometimes auto-pause gone mad, maybe it is issue with gps.
    Anyway it was nice to see altitude gain on it.
    Oh yes I would like some porn actor voice to listen, that woman scares a sh*t out of me, she is flipping scarry :D
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    Re: GPS ride tracking software
    « Reply #3 on: May 03, 2013, 23:49 »
    I like the social side of Strava - our club is registered there, and we can all see our rides. Garmin I think are improving their social stuff. And yeah, the Strava segments are something you're either into, or not. I use a Garmin Edge 500 with HRM / Cadence. I tend to not download rides to it - just track.

    For walking, I use Motion-X GPS on iPhone. The advantage is that it doesn't need data enabled to work (I'm on PAYG), and you can pre-download maps when on WiFi. I used this in France and Spain recently, and it was great to be able to download the maps before setting out.
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    Re: GPS ride tracking software
    « Reply #4 on: May 03, 2013, 23:56 »
    One question about strava, is there an option for calling BS on a segment. The hill round the corner from me is only short but the leader has done it in 45 seconds, 15 seconds quicker of any if the other two hundred. 46kph. Through two sets of lights.

    How much cheating goes on on strava?

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    Re: GPS ride tracking software
    « Reply #5 on: May 04, 2013, 01:19 »
    Yeah, there is some cheating, and no, I don't think there is any way of calling BS. I recently climbed a long hill in Spain (cat 3/4, according to Strava), and (not knowing there was a segment for it) achieved a leisurely 330th out of 360 or something. Had I realised it was a segment, I would have pushed harder. But there, too, was one standout time, which was a ridiculous minute faster than everyone else. 20th was 10:43; 10th 10:17; 2nd & 3rd 9:32 and 1st ... 8:32. Stupid. My time was 20:31  :'(
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    GPS ride tracking software
    « Reply #6 on: May 14, 2013, 06:29 »
    I will belie my age and general Luddite-ity,

    I use a wristwitch and a notebook. 

    Not very high tech, I admit.
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    Re: GPS ride tracking software
    « Reply #7 on: June 08, 2013, 04:19 »
    Yeah, there is some cheating, and no, I don't think there is any way of calling BS. I recently climbed a long hill in Spain (cat 3/4, according to Strava), and (not knowing there was a segment for it) achieved a leisurely 330th out of 360 or something. Had I realised it was a segment, I would have pushed harder. But there, too, was one standout time, which was a ridiculous minute faster than everyone else. 20th was 10:43; 10th 10:17; 2nd & 3rd 9:32 and 1st ... 8:32. Stupid. My time was 20:31  :'(

    Yes actually there is a way to call out a ride.  If you look at the Strava map for the individual ride or segment, there is a button to the bottom right of the screen that says "Flag Ride" or "Flag Segment"

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    Re: GPS ride tracking software
    « Reply #8 on: June 08, 2013, 12:32 »
    Checked yesterday, Endomondo is 2km/h slower tham my bike computer and officially time&distance. GPS mobile receiver on my Ace is good but not nearly accurate like on real GPS or some Army issue tracking system which I used like AFTS (Afghanistan Force Tracking System or BFT Blue Force Tracker which US Army use) those are real thing.
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    Re: GPS ride tracking software
    « Reply #9 on: June 08, 2013, 21:11 »
    Dim,
    In spite of my response above I actually do use a GPS ad software.

    I am currently using a Garmin 500 and I use both Strava and RidewithGPS as I have friends on both of them.

    I do actually have a notebook which I use to actually keep track of what I'm doing but the online things are fun.  I was on RWGPS long before I had ever even heard of Strava but most folks now gravitate to Strava.

    The friends who I follow, and they me, don't live anywhere near me (in fact I think i am following you (?)).  The segments and KOM's and all the other nonsense?  it's just that.  I ignore it.

    There are a few routes i do pretty much every day, some that are further afield that I do as often as I can and on those i love being able to go backk and compare performance against past efforts - it's my fitness test.

    The segments I have defined on my rides?  They are marked private because they are for my use, I don't care what anyone else is doing on them.

    But I have friends in Texas, Michigan, Arizona, California, Ontario and Alberta - and we all keep track of each other and use Strava as a way to offer some (hopefully) good natured ribbing.  The ones in Alberta just frankly pee me off since two of them are former Olympians and their ability to act like a sloth for a month then go out and make look like a three footed grandpa is just unwarranted.

    None of us really use Facebook so Strava (or RWGPS) is a good way to keep in touch.

    I started using Endomondo ONLY because i recently, and reluctantly, became the owner of a Blackberry Z10 (we are a BB only shop and Endomondo is really the only one of the major tracking packages available for BB), it is useful to me only as a way to track to and from work.

    It is missing a lot of the features of the other two main sites but it biggest hurdles are of course that it only works on the phone and I want the Ant+ capability for HRM of my choosing and the longer battery life of the Garmin unit.

    Hope that helps.
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    Re: GPS ride tracking software
    « Reply #10 on: June 08, 2013, 21:22 »
    hmm, i thought endomondo worked with ant if your phone is ant enabled.. maybe your phone isnt..
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    Re: GPS ride tracking software
    « Reply #11 on: June 08, 2013, 21:27 »
    hmm, i thought endomondo worked with ant if your phone is ant enabled.. maybe your phone isnt..

    I think you have to have an ANT + adaptor like the Wahoo thingie.  But most of this stuff doesn't work, or isn't available for the BB phones.

    Even if it was, I wouldn't use it as the battery life on a BB Z10 is abysmal - I could do my regular Saturady ride and drain my phone dead at the same time.


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    Re: GPS ride tracking software
    « Reply #12 on: July 02, 2013, 22:21 »
    I am on Strava now :D could we have Strava upload? :D
    Amazing to see how many people set their times&segments to follow, will took car and hit some KOM records here just to stir the water :D
    Christ!
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    Re: GPS ride tracking software
    « Reply #13 on: July 02, 2013, 22:37 »
    Never looked at strava. Might at some point.

    I use a 705 pretty much every time I use the bike, apart from commuting, and it is used for navigation only.

    Routes plotted on the excellent WWW.bikehike.co.uk site, and saved onto Garmin as gpxx file. Many of the events I ride now provide GPS files, so it is no longer the onerous task of trying to plot from a turn by turn route sheet.

    I sometimes upload the tcx. file from a completed ride onto Garmin Connect if I want to look back at hr zones at specific times, relating to speed and clmbng rate, especially if I didn't feel right at some point. Its surprising the number of times I've thought I was struggling and feeling bad and have gone back and found that I was either going at a much higher average speed than intended, or a was doing more climbing than I perceived.
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    Re: GPS ride tracking software
    « Reply #14 on: July 02, 2013, 23:26 »
    Endomondo recently has gone really flaky on gps connection.. but that could just be the beta version of android im usually running :fp
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    Re: GPS ride tracking software
    « Reply #15 on: February 07, 2014, 18:39 »
    I use Glympse on my iPhone some. It's got some limitations but it works. First off, you gotta remember to start it.

    FWIW, my wife just uses the Find My iPhone app to see where I am. She logs in with my iTunes account and just finds my phone. That works good enough for her; she doesn't really care about my route or where I've been, she just wants to know where I am at the time.
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