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Re: team Sky news
« Reply #960 on: October 24, 2014, 11:10 »
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/oct/23/brian-cookson-uci-president-team-sky-abandoning-british-development-sir-dave-brailsford

I'd go further than he does and say, there's not a single British rider that has been developed successfully by sky from hugely talented neo pro to  getting the most out of their talent as a top pro.

I don't think it's a problem with british riders per se so much as a sky developing young riders problem
(possible British exception, Ian stannard, but i'd propose that he's developed despite Sky rather than because of sky, of foreigners, possibly Henao* and Uran)

there's also Froome of course (who had 8th in a stage of Romandie as his top result in his first year and a half at Sky before he cut out nuttella and coffee breaks, essentially no development at all until he, over the course of a week or two, became a top GC GT contender aged 26)

the problem with Plan A being "everyone works for the senior guy all the time" and plan B being "please see plan A" is very few opportunities for the young guys. the closest EBH has come to developing is the tour in 2011, where he was basically given free reign to do whatever he felt like.

as the point that probably best underlines this development issue, when Thomas Lokvist arrived at SKY he was a steadily improving (and viable) GC contender, you wouldn't believe that if you started following cycling in 2010.
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    Re: team Sky news
    « Reply #961 on: October 24, 2014, 11:15 »
    Case in point - for me, anyway - is Peter Kennaugh.

    I definitely expected to see Kennaugh "come through" sooner. It's almost confusing: I don't know if the kid has bags of potential or not. He looks really good sometimes but is rarely allowed to ride for himself.
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    Re: team Sky news
    « Reply #962 on: October 24, 2014, 12:23 »
    Case in point - for me, anyway - is Peter Kennaugh.

    I definitely expected to see Kennaugh "come through" sooner. It's almost confusing: I don't know if the kid has bags of potential or not. He looks really good sometimes but is rarely allowed to ride for himself.

    Agree - &  have to say that seeing him free of team orders and able to kick past a team mate to win the UK Road Champs was a highlight this year.  I still have really high hopes for him, and his troubling surname being mispronounced across the land.   ;)
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    Re: team Sky news
    « Reply #963 on: October 27, 2014, 08:46 »
    Xabier Artetxe moves fro  #movistar to #sky

    who, what I thought, trainer of Nairo

    https://twitter.com/biciciclismoweb/status/526654761417068544
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    Re: team Sky news
    « Reply #964 on: October 27, 2014, 15:20 »
    I wonder what prompted that swap.
    Sky are always after the best in the world of marginal gains and must have really wanted and rated him.
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    Re: team Sky news
    « Reply #966 on: October 29, 2014, 17:29 »
    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wiggins-set-to-unveil-his-new-development-team

    I do hope we're not now going to get a steady stream of dull, UK-specific news about this project just because Wiggins' pro road tombstone is planted in it.
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    Re: team Sky news
    « Reply #967 on: October 29, 2014, 19:12 »
    I do hope we're not now going to get a steady stream of dull, UK-specific news about this project just because Wiggins' pro road tombstone is planted in it.

    of course we are
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    Re: team Sky news
    « Reply #968 on: October 31, 2014, 12:14 »
    Viviani looks ahead to first year at Sky

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    "A big part of the team is Italian," he told Federciclismo in an interview. "Sky Italia is very involved. Pinarello is a very important sponsor and other sponsors are Italian too. Having two Italian like me and Puccio was very important.
     
    The goals for next season remain the same. The first part of the season will focus on the Track World Championships, the first step towards the 2016 Olympic Games in Rio.

    There indeed was a lot more to this transfer than simply Garmin merging with Cannondale and Viviani deciding to leave. Sky after allowing Cataldo to leave would have had only one Italian on their roster and with whatever stake Sky Italia has they would have expected something a bit more.

    Then there is the track factor. Viviani has been quite isolated on an Italian and then American team with his focus on the track. Now that he has joined Sky, the team with the largest interest in track in the WT he will have fantastic resources to work with and the understanding of the management regarding his track/road schedule.


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    but in 2012,Froome won the race on the climbs [in fact he finished second behind his teammate Bradley Wiggins, ed.]

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    Re: team Sky news
    « Reply #970 on: November 06, 2014, 09:25 »
    2014 a season to forget for Stannard

    Non-news really but it does perhaps initiate an interesting theoretical discussion about what it takes for a Classics specialist to be competitive for Spring.

    Six Day racing, heavy winter training, Qatar and Dubai, the previous year's Vuelta?
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    Re: team Sky news
    « Reply #971 on: November 09, 2014, 17:41 »
    Not sure where to put this, so it will go here:

    https://twitter.com/chrisfroome/status/531485725867646976

    :hug
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    Re: team Sky news
    « Reply #973 on: November 09, 2014, 23:34 »
    well - congratulations to them.

    I hope they are happy together. 
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    Re: team Sky news
    « Reply #974 on: November 10, 2014, 12:34 »
    This will be OT but ...

    It's none of anyone's business really but I guess these people will insist on splashing it on Twitter.

    I have absolutely no interest in Froome's personal life. Cound inserted herself into the media coverage of cycling and that of itself was often newsworthy, even if the melodrama was usually rather facile.

    Over the last few months, I have found myself reflecting a bit on the blurring of the personal and the professional in social media.

    With old media (magazines and newspapers) there was always a bit more separation - publishing such stuff was either paparazzi or deliberate monetisation - but it was always a choice not to read that and not lose much in making that choice.

    Now the inverse is somewhat true such that, unlike the erstwhile consumer, today I'm the one who has to be the pariah and the hermit if I don't want to participate in this sort of culture.
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    Re: team Sky news
    « Reply #975 on: November 10, 2014, 12:44 »
    Now the inverse is somewhat true such that, unlike the erstwhile consumer, today I'm the one who has to be the pariah and the hermit if I don't want to participate in this sort of culture.
    You'll be welcome in my cave. There's always room for another hermit. ;)
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    Re: team Sky news
    « Reply #976 on: November 20, 2014, 10:18 »
    This fits in so many places

    track, sky, womens

    The Shane Sutton Interview http://audioboom.com/boos/2667668-the-shane-sutton-interview?
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    Re: team Sky news
    « Reply #977 on: November 21, 2014, 20:38 »
    There's no way in the world that if I was a promising youngster I would sign with Sky. The Yates' made the right choice rather than just being burned out as mountain goats.

    It will be interesting to see what DB does this year as his strategy has been found out and the stronger riders sit behind Kennaugh, Nieve et al until they are cooked and then go with Froome now.

    Plan C needed Dave.
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    Re: team Sky news
    « Reply #978 on: November 24, 2014, 22:03 »
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    Re: team Sky news
    « Reply #979 on: December 09, 2014, 21:28 »
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    Re: team Sky news
    « Reply #980 on: December 16, 2014, 15:17 »
    Looking for a stocking filler..? Bit of a selfish plug here but after following, writing and photographing Team Sky at races since the beginning I have just published my first book 'The Diary of a Roadside Spectator - Following Team Sky from the Side of the Road'  http://www.amazon.co.uk/Diary-Roadside-Spectator-Following-Team-ebook/dp/B00R0BLNNK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1418742406&sr=8-1&keywords=the+diary+of+a+roadside+spectator
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    Re: team Sky news
    « Reply #982 on: December 19, 2014, 12:00 »
    http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/brailsford-resets-team-skys-strategy-for-2015

    No new ideas, no response on how to address anything but GTs and the usual Tour warm-up races.

    Lots of money, lots of talent, crap management.

    Porte and Froome, Porte and Froome, Porte and Froome.

    When they fail, this team has no other cards to show. Sky will never learn.
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    Re: team Sky news
    « Reply #983 on: December 19, 2014, 12:23 »
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    Re: team Sky news
    « Reply #984 on: January 07, 2015, 11:39 »
    Phil Gilbert interview in Spain .... being ask about Chris Froome

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    PEZ: Why is the Cauberg so special for you?
    Because it’s a climb that you can take on the big chain ring with big power and at high speed also and its short at 700 meters, so it’s perfect for my characteristics.

    PEZ: How much power?
    Enough, more than the others, I think.

    PEZ: Do you know the numbers?
    No, for me when I look at an image of how I can make a gap this is nicer than seeing a graph.

    PEZ: But you use an SRM?
    Yeah, like everyone, I’m sponsored by SRM.

    PEZ: But do you run your life by it, or do you go by the feelings of your body?
    Yeah sure, but in the final you don’t have time to see.

    PEZ: Chris Froome does.
    Yeah he rides like this (head down), but its good when he goes on the street, no one recognizes him because they have only ever seen his helmet. He has a very stylish position. We have fun about this with him when we are training; he knows it and can laugh about it.

    PEZ: Do you train with him a lot?
    No, because he is always at training camps.

    funny    :P
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    « Reply #988 on: January 12, 2015, 11:22 »
    http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/jan/11/team-sky-dave-brailsford-cycling


    Sky "stronger than ever" with signings of Roche, Poels and König.

    Froome to ride Ruta del Sol, Tirreno-Adriatico and Flèche Wallonne.
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    Re: team Sky news
    « Reply #989 on: January 12, 2015, 14:28 »
    The supporting cast does look better on paper.

    Konig and Roche is a a dream climbing/transitional stage pairing.

    It's the leaders that don't do it for me.

    I don't think Porte has a GT win in him and Froome needs to shake this tag of poor bike handler.

    Ironically he could do with some track time !
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