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Re: team Sky news
« Reply #300 on: November 03, 2012, 10:20 »
I would hazard a guess that most tour winners came from places like Kilburn but in France, Italy, Spain, Belgium, Holland etc etc.

The only rich winner of a modern GT was Roberto Visentini as far as I know. But then my cycling knowledge is not encyclopedic
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    « Reply #301 on: November 03, 2012, 11:14 »
    Come on man, one line in a whole novel. He's never been the sharpest tool.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/nov/02/bradley-wiggins-interview-tour

    An excellent interview with Wiggins from the Guardian. Not a lot of new things, but does paint a picture of him as a person. And he seems to be a genuinly nice guy.
    Good interview. Knew his dad was murdered; didn't know, and didn't bother really, that he was a proper :censored.
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    Re: team Sky news
    « Reply #302 on: November 03, 2012, 15:29 »
    was a good read that.. for the guardian.. :D
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    Re: team Sky news
    « Reply #303 on: November 03, 2012, 15:54 »
    Sounds like his old man had it coming.       Interesting stuff.   

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    Re: team Sky news
    « Reply #304 on: November 03, 2012, 19:05 »
    was a good read that.. for the guardian.. :D

    Completely off-topic, but I've heard a few people talk down the Guardian. What exactly is wrong with it? When I lived in England I found it a fine newspaper, though I didn't read it (or any other paper for that matter) that often.
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    Re: team Sky news
    « Reply #305 on: November 03, 2012, 19:19 »
    Completely off-topic, but I've heard a few people talk down the Guardian. What exactly is wrong with it? When I lived in England I found it a fine newspaper, though I didn't read it (or any other paper for that matter) that often.

    It's not so much the Guardian's output, it's the Guardian itself that people talk down. These ought to be the same thing, I suppose, but for many people they're not.

    The Manchester Guardian, the original version of today's 'paper, was a pioneer. As a populist and later increasingly leftist publication, it was rightly admired as an alternative to the centrist and rightist "educated parrot" mainstream.

    Over the years, however, it has drifted away from this standpoint of independent, alternative journalism to embrace what is sometimes called the "champagne socialism" embodied in the nu-Labour era. This impression is further compounded by its generous coverage of the arts (the preserve of the few) and the public sector.

    So this is considered an irreversible slide from the 'paper's radical origins and I think many who are aware of that, like myself, will accept that, while there is some quality in the output, the loss of some of the radical founding principles of the publication is to be lamented.
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    Re: team Sky news
    « Reply #306 on: November 03, 2012, 20:08 »
    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/swift-targets-sky-classics-spot-in-2013

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    The 24-year-old has targeted a slot in Sky’s Classics line-up as his first target but in terms of season objectives, he's looking to up his win rate.

    “The biggest plans and targets are just to win as much as I can. I only had two wins on the road this year but I had 8 seconds and 5 thirds so I was close a lot of the time so I just want to turn those around and into wins. Id love to break into the Classics like Milan-San Remo and get some experience there

    Seems a shame, I would have had him odds on for the Placegetter award next year..  :D

    I think he can do well in some of the semi classics such as GW and E3, as he is typically a sprinter who's niche is sprinting from reduced groups.  The big bunch sprints of the Vuelta really are not his style tbh.
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    Re: team Sky news
    « Reply #307 on: November 04, 2012, 02:36 »
    It's not so much the Guardian's output, it's the Guardian itself that people talk down. These ought to be the same thing, I suppose, but for many people they're not.

    The Manchester Guardian, the original version of today's 'paper, was a pioneer. As a populist and later increasingly leftist publication, it was rightly admired as an alternative to the centrist and rightist "educated parrot" mainstream.

    Over the years, however, it has drifted away from this standpoint of independent, alternative journalism to embrace what is sometimes called the "champagne socialism" embodied in the nu-Labour era. This impression is further compounded by its generous coverage of the arts (the preserve of the few) and the public sector.

    So this is considered an irreversible slide from the 'paper's radical origins and I think many who are aware of that, like myself, will accept that, while there is some quality in the output, the loss of some of the radical founding principles of the publication is to be lamented.
    Maybe something to do with the acquiring of the Observer? Where it could take a more centrist line.

    From a sports pov, they've always had the finest have the Manchester Guardian. From Cardus to Selvey. All forgiven as long as the pair of them have him and Marks.
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    Re: team Sky news
    « Reply #308 on: November 04, 2012, 03:57 »
    It's not so much the Guardian's output, it's the Guardian itself that people talk down. These ought to be the same thing, I suppose, but for many people they're not.

    The Manchester Guardian, the original version of today's 'paper, was a pioneer. As a populist and later increasingly leftist publication, it was rightly admired as an alternative to the centrist and rightist "educated parrot" mainstream.

    Over the years, however, it has drifted away from this standpoint of independent, alternative journalism to embrace what is sometimes called the "champagne socialism" embodied in the nu-Labour era. This impression is further compounded by its generous coverage of the arts (the preserve of the few) and the public sector.

    So this is considered an irreversible slide from the 'paper's radical origins and I think many who are aware of that, like myself, will accept that, while there is some quality in the output, the loss of some of the radical founding principles of the publication is to be lamented.

    What I don't understand is why it would be subject to any more ridicule for its editorial policies than a Murdoch rag?

    Or is there also a quality thing?
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    Re: team Sky news
    « Reply #309 on: November 04, 2012, 17:01 »
    What I don't understand is why it would be subject to any more ridicule for its editorial policies than a Murdoch rag?

    Or is there also a quality thing?
    Because Murdoch's papers are far better at what they do.

    The Guardian is renowned for making mistakes and generally being endearingly and well-meaningly wrong about most things. The lurch to become little more than a Labour party cheerleader with a good arts section has been a little hard to take but I still buy it, if only to laugh at the preachiness of Tuscan villa owning multimillionairess Polly Toynbee and to do the crossword.
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    Re: team Sky news
    « Reply #310 on: November 04, 2012, 17:11 »
    Because Murdoch's papers are far better at what they do.

    The Guardian is renowned for making mistakes and generally being endearingly and well-meaningly wrong about most things. The lurch to become little more than a Labour party cheerleader with a good arts section has been a little hard to take but I still buy it, if only to laugh at the preachiness of Tuscan villa owning multimillionairess Polly Toynbee and to do the crossword.

    And that sums it up beautifully, in a lot less words than I tried to do. ;)

    I was at secondary school with a kid who is now an arts journo with the Guardian and he was so far up his own griefhole, he could have cleaned his teeth from there. However, as the good Cap'n says, you could never seriously dislike him, even if you stopped short of passing him his toothpaste.
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    Re: team Sky news
    « Reply #311 on: November 07, 2012, 22:06 »
    Wiggo in hospital with a few broken ribs after being involved in a collision with a van...

    http://www.lep.co.uk/news/local/wiggins-in-hospital-after-crash-1-5102981
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    Re: team Sky news
    « Reply #312 on: November 08, 2012, 16:58 »
    Whats up with most of the brits and their hatred towards cyclist

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    Glad some1 knocked Bradley wiggins off his bike..all cyclists on the roads are :censoreds
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    Re: team Sky news
    « Reply #313 on: November 08, 2012, 17:01 »
    Zam did you respond ?

    Mine would be...

    Yet you seem to be a top bloke, muppet
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    Re: team Sky news
    « Reply #314 on: November 08, 2012, 17:08 »
    Zam did you respond ?

    Mine would be...

    Yet you seem to be a top bloke, muppet

    Yes, i did.
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    Re: team Sky news
    « Reply #315 on: November 08, 2012, 19:00 »
    Yes, i did.

    Looks like you're not the only one

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    Re: team Sky news
    « Reply #316 on: November 08, 2012, 20:16 »
    For anyone that may wish to send a tweet @chrislawlor22 is now @lawlorfocus   ;)
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    Re: team Sky news
    « Reply #317 on: November 08, 2012, 20:20 »
    For anyone that may wish to send a tweet @chrislawlor22 is now @lawlorfocus   ;)

    :-D
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    Re: team Sky news
    « Reply #318 on: November 09, 2012, 00:47 »
    Did Wiggins have lights or reflective material or cat eye equivalents?

    If he ventured out without them in the darkness, it's not the driver's mistake.
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    Re: team Sky news
    « Reply #319 on: November 12, 2012, 16:22 »
    I might have missed it, so apologies if I have.

    Teamskyfans is scaling back operations...  :(
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    Re: team Sky news
    « Reply #320 on: November 12, 2012, 16:49 »
    I might have missed it, so apologies if I have.

    Teamskyfans is scaling back operations...  :(

    Yup, we will be facebook only from 2013 while the site will focus on a retrospetive summary of the 2 years six months from formation through to winning the tour. The decision was made during the Tour de France (Co-incidentally  the guy who created and built Sky's website also moved on to other things after the Tour).

    The fansite was set up partly to help build british interest in the team which it did, and to cover the progress of the team through the years. With the original goal of the team being to win the tour with a british winner, post wiggins win things reached a kinda natural conclusion. It also gets harder and harder to maintain a site of a succesful team, its harder to report success than it is to report progression.

    It also became very hard to maintain an impartial stance. With the exception of blogs the site was never an opinion site, always keeping well out of any sky related discussion and that gradually became harder and harder. It was either become an opinion site, or step back altogether. Decision was to step back altogether.

    over the winter it will be rebuilt creating a history of those first two years. Its likely the blogs will continue, but in its current form it reached a natural close.
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    Re: team Sky news
    « Reply #321 on: November 12, 2012, 19:14 »
    http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sports/cycling/2012/11/12/cycling-shane-suttton-discharged-from-hospital-after-bike-crash-91466-32219077/

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    British Cycling head of performance Shane Sutton has been discharged from hospital and is on bed rest in Cardiff after he suffered head injuries in a crash involving a motorist last week.

    The 55-year-old was released Saturday night and did not undergo surgery for a fractured cheekbone sustained in the accident he remembers little of.

    "They were going to do surgery on the cheekbone but I've opted against that because it's not like I need it to be honest. It's a pretty clean fracture," said Sutton.

    Good to know and also thank god he was wearing a helmet..
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    Re: team Sky news
    « Reply #322 on: November 12, 2012, 19:17 »
    http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sports/cycling/2012/11/12/cycling-shane-suttton-discharged-from-hospital-after-bike-crash-91466-32219077/
    Good to know and also thank god he was wearing a helmet..

    apparently - anyone who knows Sutton has never seen him in a helmet
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    Re: team Sky news
    « Reply #323 on: November 12, 2012, 20:11 »
    apparently - anyone who knows Sutton has never seen him in a helmet

    It seems he started wearing one a few months ago
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    « Reply #324 on: November 12, 2012, 21:05 »
    good to know

    would not mind a picture though now that he is on the mend and out of hospital
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    Re: team Sky news
    « Reply #325 on: November 13, 2012, 08:52 »
    Whether he is dodgy or not I have followed his career since the Banana days with great fondness.
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    Re: team Sky news
    « Reply #326 on: November 13, 2012, 09:15 »
    Whether he is dodgy or not I have followed his career since the Banana days with great fondness.

    I think I did a few steady rides when he was there, this was when I was a kid and Sutton was still racing. He had this blonde moustache which was very fetching. Presumably the Banana boys we used to see back then stayed at Keith Lambert's place or something like that. Brian Smith was never there but a lot of the others were.

    Keith was the team manager and they rode on his bikes for a season or two in the last of the Banana years. I grew up not far from his shop and one of my training mates bought a really nice ex-team bike with a Reynolds 753 frame and the long-forgotten Suntour Superbe Pro groupset. Could never afford it myself. ;)

    Several of the Banana lads would come out on Saturdays at quiet times in the season and that was often because the British racing calendar was pretty flabby back then. Apart from Keith, I remember Rob Holden who was a very quiet guy. And the late Dave Rayner, with whom I got to pair up sometimes on the bigger rides.
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    Re: team Sky news
    « Reply #327 on: November 13, 2012, 10:24 »
    I was a massive fan of Chris Walker.

    He did a great ride in winning the Milk Race in (I think 1992)
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    Re: team Sky news
    « Reply #328 on: November 14, 2012, 10:31 »
    "@Pro_Cycling: Team Sky brings experienced Australian triathlon coach Stephens on board http://t.co/4NCsXH17 #cycling"
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    Re: team Sky news
    « Reply #329 on: November 14, 2012, 13:37 »
    It certainly fits in with their trend of merely using the best methods irrelevant of the sport, as seen by Kerrison who is supposedly their finest member of staff..

    Though as a Tri coach he will certainly not be in the dark as much as Kerrison was when he first came into the sport...

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