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UCI Road Map For Cycling
« on: October 07, 2013, 17:32 »
The UCI has now confirmed its plan for reshaping (And re-invigorating) the World Tour structure and teams. Originally planned for 2020 they now have brought this plan forward to 2018.

EVENT SELECTION PROCESS 22

1. Organisation of the calendar
• The season runs from February through October
• Over all weekends and in particular on all Sundays
• No overlap between events
• No competition amongst first and second division events
• 6 weeks of uninterrupted competition focused on the Spring classics
• Stage races cut to 5 or 6 days

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    Re: 2020 the road map for cycling
    « Reply #1 on: October 07, 2013, 17:47 »
    http://www.uci.ch/Modules/BUILTIN/getObject.asp?MenuId=MTk3OA&ObjTypeCode=FILE&type=FILE&id=ODk5Mjc&LangId=1

    Orginal here

    No mention of the 80 day rider limit that I can see.

    how many days is the WT now ?
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    Re: 2020 the road map for cycling
    « Reply #2 on: October 07, 2013, 18:28 »

    how many days is the WT now ?

    well the three grand tours is 63
    One day races 15
    tdu 6
    paris nice 8
    tirreno 7
    catalunya 7
    basque 6
    romandie 6
    dauphine 8
    suisse 9
    poland 7
    eneco 7
    beijing 5

    total 154 days


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    Re: 2020 the road map for cycling
    « Reply #3 on: October 07, 2013, 18:31 »
    its technically almost impossible to do.

    Grand Tours have 22 teams.
    16 of those will come from the first division teams.

    That leaves a total of 18 Wild Card spots up for grabs.

    The 8 second division teams would only be able to ride one Grand Tour a year using up 21 days of their allocation (if they did 2 grand tours they would only have 8 days racing left).

    So that still leaves 10 wild card spots up for grabs.

    These would have to go to the pro conti squads but they too would also only be able to do one grand tour each so it would require a minimum of 10 pro conti teams, forced to ride a gt to make it work

    And 1st division teams wouldnt be able to race non WT (reduced WT) races..

    It doesnt add up. at all.
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    Re: 2020 the road map for cycling
    « Reply #4 on: October 07, 2013, 18:33 »
    well the three grand tours is 63
    One day races 15
    tdu 6
    paris nice 8
    tirreno 7
    catalunya 7
    basque 6
    romandie 6
    dauphine 8
    suisse 9
    poland 7
    eneco 7
    beijing 5

    total 154 days
    So no Poland, Eneco, Beijing and TDU and then include Paris-Tours again? That would be an upgrade to me, I know for sure though that won't be the races lost.
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    Re: 2020 the road map for cycling
    « Reply #5 on: October 07, 2013, 18:39 »
    its utter balls
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    Re: 2020 the road map for cycling
    « Reply #6 on: October 07, 2013, 18:48 »
    EVENT SELECTION PROCESS 22

    1. Organisation of the calendar
    • The season runs from February through October
    • Over all weekends and in particular on all Sundays
    • No overlap between events
    • No competition amongst first and second division events
    • 6 weeks of uninterrupted competition focused on the Spring classics
    • Stage races cut to 5 or 6 days

    http://www.uci.ch/docs/calendar/UPDATE_6/PAGE3UCIWT_lien_PAGE22_ENG.pdf
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    Re: 2020 the road map for cycling
    « Reply #7 on: October 07, 2013, 19:19 »
    EVENT SELECTION PROCESS 22

    1. Organisation of the calendar
    • The season runs from February through October
    • Over all weekends and in particular on all Sundays
    • No overlap between events
    • No competition amongst first and second division events
    • 6 weeks of uninterrupted competition focused on the Spring classics
    • Stage races cut to 5 or 6 days

    http://www.uci.ch/docs/calendar/UPDATE_6/PAGE3UCIWT_lien_PAGE22_ENG.pdf

    Honestly I hope a breakaway format will form if this holds, why they think fewer WT races is good I can't wrap my head around, they say it is because it will mean the best riders ar there, but most WT teams have 5 to 6 riders worthy of leading minor tours. Taking Saxo as an example, you have to have enough races so that Majka, Rohce, Rogers, Contador and Kreuziger will all lead some races, and all of those fit the same type of races. I personally like an extended WT with all the big races included better - for those that didn't read my topic about that - http://velorooms.com/index.php?topic=4119.0
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    Re: 2020 the road map for cycling
    « Reply #8 on: October 07, 2013, 19:23 »
    My contemporaries won't like it because they are UCI supporters and globalists (notably OP who explained to us that the UCI never took measures to cut short classics) but I'm talking to further generations.

    UCI needs be dissolved before it's too late and the different national federations should take back the executive power at every races held on their own soils, like in the good old days.

    Of course there were injustices back in the days but nothing can be worse then this attempt to a New World Order that reminds us of Huxley's Brave New World or Orwell's 1984.

    It's scary ...  :S
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    Re: 2020 the road map for cycling
    « Reply #9 on: October 07, 2013, 19:32 »
    2nd division teams only allowed to ride 50 days. Isn't that a really small amount? :S
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    Re: 2020 the road map for cycling
    « Reply #10 on: October 07, 2013, 19:40 »
    2nd division teams only allowed to ride 50 days. Isn't that a really small amount? :S

    I think it means that they will rde 50 days of the 120 total WT races, how those days will be distributed will be a mess, who wants to be the team that rides Vuelta, Beijing, Canada, Eneco, Poland and TDU only?
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    Re: 2020 the road map for cycling
    « Reply #11 on: October 07, 2013, 19:42 »
    Can't be...
    • No competition amongst first and second division events
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    Re: 2020 the road map for cycling
    « Reply #12 on: October 07, 2013, 19:46 »
    Can't be...

    Who in the world would be a 2nd div team then, when PC teams can get wild-cards to better races? I assume 2nd div teams can apply for wild-cards else it is pointless, unless no more wildcards, in which case good luck getting the ASO to take that deal, when Europecar and FDJ might very well be the teams to move down to reduce WT to 16 teams.
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    Re: 2020 the road map for cycling
    « Reply #13 on: October 07, 2013, 19:50 »
    None of this makes any sense. I dont actually think the UCI know what they are doing. theyve just put a bunch of numbers on a page and not actually considered how they are going to do it.

    I think a large number of teams, and race organisers will look at this and just say flip it.
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    Re: 2020 the road map for cycling
    « Reply #14 on: October 07, 2013, 19:51 »
    unless no more wildcards,

    its technically almost impossible to do.

    Grand Tours have 22 teams.
    16 of those will come from the first division teams.

    That leaves a total of 18 Wild Card spots up for grabs.
    and make GT's only available to 16 teams?
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    Re: 2020 the road map for cycling
    « Reply #15 on: October 07, 2013, 19:55 »
    and make GT's only available to 16 teams?

    Well if Div 2 can't race with Div 1, wouldn't they have to? unless div 3 can get wild-cards, in which case how do you fill out div 2? lets see wild card at Dauphine and TdF or 50 days of Div 2 racing?

    EDIT: May have misread, I think the Div 2 teams does all the 50 days and then wild-card on top of that.
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    Re: 2020 the road map for cycling
    « Reply #16 on: October 07, 2013, 20:02 »
    My contemporaries won't like it because they are UCI supporters and globalists (notably OP who explained to us that the UCI never took measures to cut short classics) but I'm talking to further generations.

    UCI needs be dissolved before it's too late and the different national federations should take back the executive power at every races held on their own soils, like in the good old days.

    Of course there were injustices back in the days but nothing can be worse then this attempt to a New World Order that reminds us of Huxley's Brave New World or Orwell's 1984.

    It's scary ...  :S

    do not twist the truth .......................... basically do not lie it does not do you any good

    I never said what you have claimed (notably OP who explained to us that the UCI never took measures to cut short classics)

    What I said was in relation to one race and I said that having a maximum lenght was a good thing.

    Echoces if you are going to lie choose another person

    taken from this thread - http://velorooms.com/index.php?topic=4101.0

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    Is the UCI the promoter of the event  ;)

    If not the blame for the change in type of race can not be to Pat

    As for the distance the is some positives for shorter races, but do think history to a point is good.

    But as hitch points out new is great if done right ie *ca historic and new can be boring if done for the whole reasons in the wrong places

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    How old d'you think I am, Caruut?

    No I am not mad because I did not expect anything but apologies of this globalizing madness (though here it went far indeed!) that will eventually lose us, anyway. In every aspect of life, actually. Pro cycling can't be any exception. Let us all be happy to see a Tour of Langkawi or of Qatar in order to raise funds for holy wars in Lybia and Syria ...

    However I fail to see in what way a shortened distance (shortening imposed from above, yeah JSG, UCI is to blame for distance cut, ever since 1990 as I demonstrated) could ever be an adaptation to modern standards if any adaptation is ever required. Some riders can handle long distance better than others. Today we're only left with one long-distance race: Milan-Sanremo and after that some would of course be surprised to see all these races end up in a sprint. As if it had nothing to do with distance cut...

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    so they did one thing to reduce Darkside issues, which was a good thin imo

    longer distance does not = better races in modern cycling

    but you blaime the UCI for it all I quote
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    So once again out of all the above It was not the UCI , but the orgainsation - the race could be longer but the people orgainising the race decided against it

    but carry on

    where did I say
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    notably OP who explained to us that the UCI never took measures to cut short classics
    when I said the UCI did make maximum length and it is a good thing  as I quoted

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    Re: 2020 the road map for cycling
    « Reply #17 on: October 07, 2013, 20:04 »
    None of this makes any sense. I dont actually think the UCI know what they are doing. theyve just put a bunch of numbers on a page and not actually considered how they are going to do it.

    I think a large number of teams, and race organisers will look at this and just say flip it.
    UCI:
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    From the initial “Common Ground” meetings between November 2011 and March 2012, to this approval, passing through the consultation of cycling’s stakeholders conducted by Deloitte last spring and a whole host of meetings, each stage of the process has been worthwhile and constructive, signalling the interest of all parties in the proposals.

    Seems like they have put some effort into it actually which makes it seem even more strange
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    Re: 2020 the road map for cycling
    « Reply #18 on: October 07, 2013, 22:38 »
    Ok, lets try do some maths on this.

    First up. RACES

    As it currently is
    Race Days
    Tour Down Under      6
    Paris Nice      8
    Tirreno      7
    Milan San Remo      1
    Volta Catalunya      7
    E3 Prisj      1
    Gent Wevelgem      1
    Tour of Flanders      1
    Basque Country      6
    Paris Roubaix      1
    Amstel Gold      1
    Fleche Wallone      1
    Liege Bastogne Liege      1
    Romandie      6
    Giro d'Italia      21
    Dauphine      8
    Suisse      9
    Tour de France      21
    San Sebastian      1
    Tour of Poland      7
    Eneco Tour      7
    Vuelta Espana      21
    Vattenfall      1
    GP Ouest France      1
    GP Quebec      1
    GP Montreal      1
    TTT Worlds      1
    Giro di Lombardia      1
    Tour of Beijing      5
    total      154
    So we need to shed 34 days from somewhere.

    So lets take Paris Nice and Tirreno down to 6 days, along with Catalunya, Dauphine, Tour de Suisse. And lets reduce Poland, Eneco Tour, basque Country to five days. Net result, we are down to 140 days.  Bugger.

    flip it, lets ditch Beijing, nobody cares about it anyway, and the stupid world championship  team time trial. 135 days, only 15 to go.

    Grand Tours, lets reduce them all to 18 stages. Hmm, 125 days.

    Vattenfall cyclassic and GP Ouest France. GONE. 123 days.

    Hmmm, ok.. Lets reduce Basque Country, Poland and Eneco to four days. Hurrah. 120 days.

    So we are down to 12 days by chucking Beijing, Vattenfall and Ouest France out of the world tour, reducing half the races to 4 or 5 days and reducing the Dauphine, Paris NIce and Suisse to 6 days, whilst also slashing 3 stages off each grand tour.

    Race Days
    Tour Down Under      6
    Paris Nice      6
    Tirreno      6
    Milan San Remo      1
    Volta Catalunya      6
    E3 Prisj      1
    Gent Wevelgem      1
    Tour of Flanders      1
    Basque Country      4
    Paris Roubaix      1
    Amstel Gold      1
    Fleche Wallone      1
    Liege Bastogne Liege      1
    Romandie      6
    Giro d'Italia      18
    Dauphine      6
    Suisse      6
    Tour de France      18
    San Sebastian      1
    Tour of Poland      4
    Eneco Tour      4
    Vuelta Espana      18
    Vattenfall      0
    GP Ouest France      0
    GP Quebec      1
    GP Montreal      1
    TTT Worlds      0
    Giro di Lombardia      1
    Tour of Beijing      0
    total      120
    120 days. :D

    NOW WE NEED TEAMS TO FILL THOSE RACES.

     120 days racing x 22 teams invited to each race = 2640 days.

    The 16 first division teams can each race 120 days, so thats 1920 days gone. Only 720 to go.

    The eight second division teams can race 50 days so thats another 400 off, so only 320 days left. So we simply need about 8 or 9 Pro Continental teams to fill the void. Bingo.


    Next up, TEAMS.

    This season we had
    World Tour - 19 teams
    Pro Conti - 20 teams

    Next year we will have
    World Tour - 18 teams
    Pro Conti - 16 maybe (Losing Europcar (wt), Crelan, Champion, Sojasun, Vini), gaining one, maybe two.
    So thats a total of 34 teams, maybe 35.

    Grand Tours.
    Each Grand Tour has 22 spots up for grabs, 66 spots in total.
    Division one teams will take up 48 of those 66 spots. Leaves 18 spots remaining.
    Division two teams will take up a further 8 spots (they cant really take more as they will run out of race days).  That leaves 10 spots left to fill
    So we will need at least 10 pro conti teams to fill the void assuming every single one of them rides a grand tour.

    Based on 2014 teams.
    First Division - 16
    Second Division - 8
    Pro Conti - 10

    So it could be done, just, but would mean every single Pro Conti team, would HAVE to ride a Grand tour to make up the numbers, that means Rusvelo, UHC, Accent Jobs, would all need to ride a grand tour. flipping GENIUS.

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    Re: 2020 the road map for cycling
    « Reply #19 on: October 08, 2013, 08:11 »
    Ok, lets try do some maths on this.
    Essentially, it's only possible if you rob most all WT races of their history (18-stage GTs? 4-day País Vasco? What the flip?).

    So it could be done, just, but would mean every single Pro Conti team, would HAVE to ride a Grand tour to make up the numbers, that means Rusvelo, UHC, Accent Jobs, would all need to ride a grand tour. flipping GENIUS.
    You know, it actually IS rather genius. The teams will like it (all ProContis get to ride a GT), the riders will like it (who doesn't want to ride a GT, and at the same time have some limit to how many races that serve him no purpose he has to line up in). The only ones who'll fight it are the race organizers who may break away from this scheme. And voilà, the UCI will introduce 4-day mickey mouse races (flat, mountain, ITT, flat) to replace them, as many of the previous races were cut down to 4/5 days anyway.
     :shh
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    Re: 2020 the road map for cycling
    « Reply #20 on: October 08, 2013, 08:17 »
    UCI races new future

    • The season will now run from February to October.
    • Competition on every weekend, especially Sundays.
    • No overlapping of events.• No competition amongst first and second division events.
    • Six weeks of uninterrupted competition focused on the spring classics.
    Stage races cut to five or six days.


    Paris-Nice and Tirreno not overlap?

    Giro and California not overlap?


    Suisse cut to 5-6 stages


    WILL the 3 GT keep their 3 weeks? (23 days) ? I HOPE SO
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    Re: 2020 the road map for cycling
    « Reply #21 on: October 08, 2013, 08:46 »
    Inrng takes a look

    http://inrng.com/2013/10/ucis-2020-vision/

    I think if there was 135-145 race in the top division and no overlapping it will work

    the 50 race days in the 2nd division is really small say we take the middle east Qatar, Oman and the new race forgotten it´s name 5 days each = 15 days and we have the hearld Sun tour in Oz so we have 20 days before a pedal has been turned in Europe

    I am might be wrong but there will be still overlapping with 2nd division and 3rd division races with each other reduced overlapping is good though.

    I also think the number of teams riding GT´s will be reduced from 22  as it is at the moment
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    Re: 2020 the road map for cycling
    « Reply #22 on: October 08, 2013, 09:07 »
    The fifty days refers purely to them being restricted to fifty days of world tour racing. Not fifty days in total
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    Re: 2020 the road map for cycling
    « Reply #23 on: October 08, 2013, 09:22 »
    50 days of division one WT events? or 50 days of both division one+two events (with the rest made up of division three events)?
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    Re: 2020 the road map for cycling
    « Reply #24 on: October 08, 2013, 09:30 »
    The fifty days refers purely to them being restricted to fifty days of world tour racing. Not fifty days in total

    no it says 50 days of racing in the 2nd division

    under the organisation of cycling
    16 1st division teams
    8 2nd division teams
    120 days of racing in the 1st
    50 days of racing in the 2nd division 

    the results of the divisions will be from the 1st division teams ( 16 ) from the 120 1st division race days = winner division 1 etc

    the 8 division 2 teams will have there results for the top of division 2 taken from the 50 division 2 race days

    from this I assume the bottom 2 from division 1 will drop down and top 2 from division 2 will go up
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    Re: 2020 the road map for cycling
    « Reply #25 on: October 08, 2013, 09:51 »
    no it says 50 days of racing in the 2nd division

    under the organisation of cycling
    16 1st division teams
    8 2nd division teams
    120 days of racing in the 1st
    50 days of racing in the 2nd division 

    the results of the divisions will be from the 1st division teams ( 16 ) from the 120 1st division race days = winner division 1 etc

    the 8 division 2 teams will have there results for the top of division 2 taken from the 50 division 2 race days

    from this I assume the bottom 2 from division 1 will drop down and top 2 from division 2 will go up

    So fifty race days that rules out who moves up and free to race any other races apart from that? wild-cards etc.?
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    Re: 2020 the road map for cycling
    « Reply #26 on: October 08, 2013, 09:56 »
    So fifty race days that rules out who moves up and free to race any other races apart from that? wild-cards etc.?

    that is what I think, I made a post in inrng blog , see what he thinks , if the wording was 50 specific race days out of the division 2 calendar it would make some sense but as the 1st division will have 120 race days and then the next point it is 50 race days division 2 seems to me division 2 = 50 race days , the division 2 teasm will have to race those days with I assume wildcards from division 1 and then vice versa Division 1 teams would have to race the 120 days and wildcards coming from division 2 teams 

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    120 race days division 1 with 16 division 1 teams fighting for the division 1 title

    and here is what has been missed 50 race days in the division 2 with 8 teams fighting for the division 2 title

    I assume there will be relegation, promotion due to these results

    there is no way there can not only be 50 division 2 race days if we take qatar, Oman, Dubai and the hearld Sun tour in Australia as 2 division races at 5 days each that will be 2o days before a pedal has been turned in Europe add Utan , Pro cycling challenge and California at 5 days each and we are at 35 which would leave a grand total of 15 left for Europe division 2 and San Luis is expanding so 5 more days and we have 10 left for Europe . Plus the expense of being a division 2 team would be greater than division 1

    As a side not I expect the will be less teams than the 22 riding GT´s , which may not be bad
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    Re: 2020 the road map for cycling
    « Reply #27 on: October 08, 2013, 10:42 »
    A comparison of the situation before the introduction of the ProTour, the current situation and what's planned for 2020 is interesting.

    In 2004, the last non-ProTour year with the old system of a world ranking and GS1-GS3, there were 30 GS1 teams, and 20 GS2 teams, for a total of 50 teams theoretically eligible for participation in what are now WT races.
    In 2020, if I understand the proposal correctly, there will be 24, plus possibly an unknown number of ProContinental teams.

    I've made a list of the various categories, starting in 1999 (the first year with the GS1, GS2, GS3 categories). Sources are CQranking and memoire-du-cyclisme.eu:
    yearGS1GS2GS3
    1999224117
    2000224824
    2001224234
    2002303243
    2003302670
    2004302085
    PT/WTProContiConti
    20052024115
    20062026125
    20072027137
    20081825133
    20091821134
    20101821122
    20111823131
    20121822153
    20131920158
    Div 1Div 2Div 3 PC
    2020168???
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    Re: 2020 the road map for cycling
    « Reply #28 on: October 08, 2013, 10:55 »
    Ok so what do we have , bit of mess with some positives

    we have a race calendar running from Feb to October start of month to end = 273 days

    we have a total of 170 race days of no overlap, which is broken down to 120 1st division race days and 50 2nd division race days  so we will have 103 days during this time with no racing

    we have 16 1st division teams and 8 2nd division teams 

    the 16 1st division teams must race the 1st division events as this goes to the end of year total , I assume this will mean there will be some sort of relegation of bottom team or 2 bottom teams.

    the 8 2nd division teams must race the 2nd division events as this goes to the end of year total , I assume this will mean there will be some sort of promotion of top team or 2 top teams.

    Stage races will be 5-6 days long so some of the Historical stage races will be reduced in distance and only 1 race from either division 1 or 2 can be runing at the same time ( not a bad thing ) so T-A and P-N can not clash , but as inrng pointed out  when a 21 stage plus 2 rest days Grand tour is going on , that is right no other division 1 or 2 races .

    So if a rider skips the Giro , not racing same for the TDF , and Vuelta So a few probable division 2 races will have to be moved .

    We also have number of teams

    next year we will have 22 WT and at this stage 16 Pro conti  ie 38 teams of riders, staff etc employed

    This will be reduced  24 teams , which will require less riders and staff due to less race days and no clashes

    another way to look at is

    16 division 1 teams ie the old WT

    8 division 2 teams ie the bottom 8 WT teams plus the top 2 Pro Conti teams make up a new class/division of cycling teams

    pro-conti still exists but it now with the Conti teams which will be the European tour, African tour , Oceania Tour and American tour.

    So back to Division 1 race 120 we will need to reduce the WT by 33 days - some through reduced days of stage races others will become division 2 races

    all 16 division 1 teams will race division 1 race days with wild cards coming from division 2 teams . Only the points earned by division 1 teams at these races count towards to end of season division 1  ladder - similar to now and WT races and being a pro conti team. I also assume division 2 teams can race all 120 division 1 race days if they so choose and were given wild cards .

    All 8 division 2 teams will race the 50 division 2 races and wild cards coming from division 1 and I assume pro conti , I also assume both division 1 and Pro conti could race all 50 division 2 race days if the so choose and were given wild cards. But only the points of these races have any meaning for the 8 division 2 teams - these will be important to go up to division 1 and possibly down to pro conti


    # team must compete * race days in there division
    16 division 1 teams 120
    8 division 2 teams 50
    ? Pro Conti & Continental ?


    say we look at what will be division 2 races , there is no way there can not only be 50 division 2 race days if we take Qatar, Oman, Dubai and the hearld Sun tour in Australia as 2 division races at 5 days each that will be 20 days before a pedal has been turned in Europe add Utan , Pro cycling challenge and California at 5 days each and we are at 35 which would leave a grand total of 15 left for Europe division 2 and San Luis is expanding so 5 more days and we have 10 left for Europe . Plus the expense of being a division 2 team would be greater than division 1 as they must ride division 2 races to get there points. To have a fair system the division teams must compete against each other, you can not have 1 team not riding a race and other scoring points.

    Probably my longest no rant post ever

    make an orderly line for those confused or wish to point out spelling mistakes

    pps Fus has been typing when I have and we have made a similer point
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    Re: 2020 the road map for cycling
    « Reply #29 on: October 08, 2013, 11:05 »
    where did I say 

    You said it twice. So don't talk about lies, please because these comments were real errors of facts !

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    the race could be longer but the people orgainising the race decided against it

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