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Re: The 2014 CQ Ranking Manager Thread
« Reply #750 on: October 14, 2014, 18:44 »
Sounds good to me, I am already working on 2015 anyway
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    Re: The 2014 CQ Ranking Manager Thread
    « Reply #751 on: October 14, 2014, 18:57 »
    I'm far from the top-15, but I have no problem with declaring an early winner if it's obvious that they can't be caught.

    The season should end though on 31st Dec even without any of the top-15 asking for an extension. I must have forgotten/not seen that bolded rule before, but I don't really like it.

    Your suggestion in the penultimate paragraph seems the best one. If Pentacycle is still leading by a country mile after Japan or Hainan or wherever then declare them the winner and since there are few races after that, only do an update or two more (end of Nov and end of Dec?) to show people what their true final score/position is.
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    Re: The 2014 CQ Ranking Manager Thread
    « Reply #752 on: October 15, 2014, 16:08 »
    Update 40: The Epilogue

    If last week's update had the rather titular title 'The End', I would certainly not fault it for the feel of the game; in actuality, there is still a WT stage event to process and a few other little things. But indeed, post-Vuelta, post-Worlds, post-Lombardia, we are fully into the period of denouement for the CQ Ranking Game 2014. It has been a lovely ride, and we will be ceremonially entering Paris shortly, some of us happily in a victory lap, some of us happy to make it to the end and thinking already of next year.

    This Week's Top Scorers


    1   Fus87    436
    2   ray200   282
    3   freshman   281
    4   Zam_Olyas   278
    5   lenissart   276

    Fus87 had it all come together this week - not only is their team the only one out of 150 teams to have Jelle Wallays*, winner of Paris-Tours (you would have made a whopping amount on that bet even the day of the race), they also have Stybar who won a 1.1 race, and a gaggle of riders (Nizzolo, Villella, Battaglin, Ruffoni, Firsanov, Rosa) who picked up handy results (between 30 and 45 points) this week. In keeping with the 'usernames with numbers' theme, ray200 gets 2nd with a completely different team (Degenkolb and Madrazo and Formolo doing the scoring). Zam's all-Italian team fittingly places in the closing weekend of Italian racing.

    *for some reason on the spreadsheet Jelle Wallays shows up as being on Froome19's team in the popularity tab, but is not on the team actually. I don't know if it was a glitch in data entry or a change in riders before the start of the game that wasn't reflected on that tab, but it seems like Wallays is only on Fus' team for real.

    This Week's High Movers



    1   Fus87   (+14)
    2   ray200   (+8)
    3   LaFlorecita   (+5)
    3   ----AG----   (+5)
    5   olopaine   (+4)
    5   LightBing   (+4)
    5   Sneekes   (+4)
    5   Hugo Koblet   (+4)
    5   comodoro   (+4)

    The top 2 scorers are the top 2 movers, but LaFlo, despite only finishing 17th this week with less than 200 points, maximized those points in a tight area of the rankings and leaps 5 places. AG does this despite finishing 30th on the week on points. Nice work, guys!

    Top 10


    1   (-)   Pentacycle   13754
    2   (-)   Cykeltyven   13341
    3   (+2)   Oliveira   13000
    4   (-1)   The Hitch   12967
    5   (+3)   Ruudz0r   12906
    6   (-2)   will10    12894
    7   (-)   rywann   12891
    8   (-2)   minessa   12870
    9   (+1)   freshman   12756
    10   (-1)   Kazistuta   12651

    Top spot aside, there is some tight racing still going on. Most of this has been resolved by the outcome of the Tour of Beijing (GC not reflected in this update), and the dust will be settling after the Japan Cup this weekend. But the final podium place is a see-saw battle, with spots 3-8 separated by 130 points. Besides that, 4 other teams are within 100 points of the top 10. Top spot seems locked up, but beyond that it's anybody's game.

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    Re: The 2014 CQ Ranking Manager Thread
    « Reply #753 on: October 15, 2014, 16:19 »
    This Week's Top Scorers
    1   Fus87    436

    This Week's High Movers
       Fus87   (+14)
    :woohoo

    Mentioned in another weekly update, as top scorer AND high mover. I almost can't believe I'm the only one with Wallays.
    Broken into the top half at last. :) :win
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    Re: The 2014 CQ Ranking Manager Thread
    « Reply #754 on: October 21, 2014, 20:57 »
    Quote from: Hugo Koblet
    Update 41: Are we there yet?

    Not quite. But almost.

    Even though we're approaching the end of season, a lot of points are handed out in this week's update. The winner of the first edition of the game, ingsve, finishes the season in style as he collects 868 points from Gilbert, Hagen, Barguil and Chaves among others and can call himself this week's top scorer. Yours truly takes 2nd place while some of the games regulars completes the top 5.

    This week's top scorers:

    1. ingsve - 868
    2. Hugo Koblet - 748
    3. HelgeBlendet - 728
    4. the asian - 669
    5. Skibby the bush kangaroo - 633

    the asian, 4th on the top scorer list, is our highest mover this week, jumping from 109th to 92nd, while ingsve, jumping 16 places, is very close to completing the double.

    This week's high jumpers:

    1. the asian +17
    2. ingsve +16
    3. jsem94 +12
    4. hilltopfinisher +10
    5. ----AG---- +9
    5. Roderick +9
    5. Total Package +9

    In the top 10, it's time to finally crown our winner. With a 600 points lead, it's almost impossible for Cykeltyven to overtake Pentacycle in 1st place, and we can safely congratulate Pentacycle - whose goal was to finish in the top 100 - with the victory. Well done! Pentacycle has made some very good and rare picks in Bardet (163% profit), Navardauskas (333% profit), Wellens (567% profit), Sepulveda (371% profit), Benoot (713% profit) and Theuns (908% profit) and that combined with some high scoring riders like Contador and Gilbert has been enough to set the winning team.

    Cykeltyven looks set for 2nd place, while the last podium spot is still up for grabs as only 80 points separate 3rd from 7th place.

    Two new teams enter the top 10 this week. Hugo Koblet jumps from 12th into 6th, while tomazo moves from 13th to 10th. will10 and Kazistuta makes way.

    Top 10:

    1. (-)   Pentacycle - 14289
    2. (-)   Cykeltyven - 13693
    3. (-)   Oliveira - 13421
    4. (+4)   minessa - 13380
    5. (-)   Ruudz0r - 13358
    6. (+6)   Hugo Koblet - 13347
    7. (-)   rywann - 13341
    8. (-4)   The Hitch - 13298
    9. (-)   freshman - 13266
    10. (+3) tomazo - 13215

    For most of the teams, their place in the game is almost settled, and this week we were able to safely crown our winner. However, a few things can still happen in the top 10 - and the battle for 3rd is still wide open - so stay tuned for next week's update as well!

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    Re: The 2014 CQ Ranking Manager Thread
    « Reply #755 on: October 23, 2014, 15:55 »
    Still might have a few race days left from Haedo, but the rest of my team is done and dusted for the season I believe. However I won't be doing a full report card for all 33 riders as that's just too many.

    Top of the Class

    Kwiatkowski
    Barguil
    Colbrelli
    Navardauskas
    Zubeldia
    Wellens
    Paterski
    Bennett
    De Maar
    Lutsenko
    Simon

    Managed to fluke quite a few of the less popular big scorers/big percentage returners. Been fun cheering them on this season.

    On the Naughty Step

    Boasson Hagen
    Jungels
    Rosa
    Craddock
    Dombrowski
    Brenes
    Pomoshnikov
    Avila
    Mansilla

    Interesting to note that from my three most popular picks, two of them are in this list. Eddy with the biggest point loss and Dombrowski with the worst % return. Uran, the other popular pick, had a small profit.

    Memo to self - don't pick the obvious choices next year.

    Thanks to skids and everyone else who did updates through the year.  :cool

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    Re: The 2014 CQ Ranking Manager Thread
    « Reply #756 on: November 04, 2014, 00:30 »
    Update 43: Boni's Fast, Yo! Rare Pick Causes 11th-Hour Podium Shakeup

    (note: there was no update 42; I got the CQ download when it finally showed up mid-week, but it hadn't even accounted for the end of Hainan, so I decided to hold off until this week since barely anyone scored)

    By far the biggest revelation (if it can be called that for an almost post-season race with little competition) of the 2.HC Tour of Hainan was Nicolo Bonifazio of Lampre. The young Italian captured 251 points from the event, which made his 5 CQ Game owners very happy indeed. And, as 3 of those owners were in the top 20 of the standings, it caused some shakeup at the top, including the podium of the game.

    This week's high scorers

    1. fauniera 251
    1. Ruudz0r 251
    1. Bellsax 251
    1. Reno 251
    1. Milanello 251

    Remember how I said 5 teams had Bonifazio, and how he scored 251 points? I hope you can connect the dots to understand the above list.

    This week's top movers

    1. fauniera (+9)
    2. Bellsax (+5)
    3. Milanello (+4)
    4. NairoQ (+3)
    5. Ruudz0r (+2)

    That's 4 of 5 repeats, with Ruudz0r's +2 being pretty significant (see below). NairoQ, with Palini and Kamyshev, is the interloper on this list (also the highest non-Bonifazio scorer). fauniera's leap of 9 spots lands their team in the top 100, in the nice round 100th place.

    Top 10

    1. Pentacycle (-)
    2. Cykeltyven (-)
    3. Ruudz0r (+2)
    4. Oliveira (-1)
    5. minessa (-1)
    6. Hugo Koblet (-)
    6. rywann (+1)
    8. The Hitch (-)
    9. freshman (-)
    10. tomazo (-)

    Some interesting jockeying going on, despite the fact that only 3 teams in the top 10 scored any points this week (Pentacycle scored 78 from Wippert and Markus, because of course he did). But Ruudz0r leaps onto the podium by virtue of having Bonifazio, Oliveira falls off. And rywann's meagre 6 points from Juan Pablo Suarez gets him into a tie with game founder Hugo for 6th place. I can't say I remember having a tie in the top 10 at season's end in the previous incarnations of this game, but someone correct me if I'm wrong. Milanello, a Bonifazo owner, made an agonizingly close run to the top 10, moving up 4 spots to 11th but ending up 63 points short.

    The season is officially over after this week's Taihu Lake; I haven't combed through teams to see who has riders (although I see already at least one team has Jesse Kerrison), but I'm expecting next week's update to simply finalize things. I will provide it when it's available and then we can look ahead to next year!

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    Re: The 2014 CQ Ranking Manager Thread
    « Reply #757 on: November 04, 2014, 05:18 »
    Just comes in front of MC

    Keith beat me , he would have told me too  :( :D

    Not sure I will do so well next year, but you never know I guess
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    Re: The 2014 CQ Ranking Manager Thread
    « Reply #758 on: November 04, 2014, 07:09 »
    Just behind jsg and MC but top 40 (just) so all ok
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    Re: The 2014 CQ Ranking Manager Thread
    « Reply #759 on: November 04, 2014, 08:10 »
    Just shy of 11000 points - that's alright for a rookie.
    And I'm first![1] :D
     1. of the second half
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    Re: The 2014 CQ Ranking Manager Thread
    « Reply #760 on: November 06, 2014, 17:28 »
    Looking forward to joining this next season. Have picked my team already. No doubt that will only change about 100 times before Oz.
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    Re: The 2014 CQ Ranking Manager Thread
    « Reply #761 on: November 07, 2014, 10:33 »
    Looking forward to joining this next season. Have picked my team already. No doubt that will only change about 100 times before Oz.

    :welcome to the forum Joelsim :hi :wave

    you can introduce yourself here if you want
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    Re: The 2014 CQ Ranking Manager Thread
    « Reply #762 on: November 07, 2014, 11:01 »
    Done! Cheers Flo. Looking forward to this starting. Think I have understood the rules and looking for a top half finish in my Rookie season! I guess we will see. I also did the road.cc last year and did pretty well coming 31st overall.

    Nice to do a different format.
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    Re: The 2014 CQ Ranking Manager Thread
    « Reply #763 on: November 07, 2014, 11:34 »
    CQ definitely does add something extra to cycling. There's no doubt about it.

    You can take part in the collective team effort for next year as well Joel if you fancy it. Last year's one caused much gnashing of teeth (and it puts in the time I guess until the real racing starts).
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    Re: The 2014 CQ Ranking Manager Thread
    « Reply #764 on: November 07, 2014, 11:54 »
    How does it work LEADBELLY, is there a rules link?
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    Re: The 2014 CQ Ranking Manager Thread
    « Reply #765 on: November 07, 2014, 11:58 »
    How does it work LEADBELLY, is there a rules link?
    As always, we make up the rules as we go. :D
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    Re: The 2014 CQ Ranking Manager Thread
    « Reply #766 on: November 07, 2014, 11:59 »
    Count me in then!
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    Re: The 2014 CQ Ranking Manager Thread
    « Reply #767 on: November 07, 2014, 14:50 »
    Count me in then!

    The collective game is a good way to protect yourself from making any rookie errors.

    Also look out for my youth cq game - this year's rules

    and there are some great cq games run by Armchair cyclist - Emerging Riders (which tracks young riders over 3 years) and short term games for the cobbles/classics season, and the 3 grand tours.

    and :welcome
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    Re: The 2014 CQ Ranking Manager Thread
    « Reply #768 on: November 07, 2014, 16:09 »
    I may well go for this given I've already picked my 33 men for this year.

    Got ProFSL starting next Friday, when that is done and dusted in the gap before road.cc starts I could also pick my youth cq team.

    Not that I don't have a life.

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    Re: The 2014 CQ Ranking Manager Thread
    « Reply #769 on: November 10, 2014, 19:26 »
    Official End of Season Update

    So, as predicted last week, the Tour of Taihu Lake (last race ranked .1 or higher) had very few participants and very few points on offer. In fact, the asian was this week's high scorer with 5 points from Gavazzi; however, everyone else in the game pretty much tied for 3rd with zero points, as archieboy got the week's only other points from Jesse Kerrison (3 points). So congratulations, if you didn't finish in the top 5 any other week this year, you technically have this week!

    Perhaps unsurprisingly, this windfall of points did not lead to any place shuffling, and so our top 10 as highlighted last week is also the final top 10. Congrats to Pentacycle for officially winning the year! For those who don't want to pick through the spreadsheet, I have to highlight a particularly impressive aspect of Pentacycle's team this year, which was the combination of popular and unique picks. Of course he had Contador, who was a game-changer this year for all involved, and the inevitable sort of Boonen-Vanendert-Chaves picks (and also popular ones that didn't work out like VDB, Andy, Goss), but also a good number of high-profit, fairly unique picks. I'll highlight a few:

    Philippe Gilbert - 1696 points, profit of 747, picked by 29 (not that unique, but not that popular)
    Romain Bardet - 1149 points, profit of 446, picked by 2 (!)
    Ramunas Navardauskas - 806 points, profit of 564, picked by 9
    Ben Swift - 745 points, profit of 587, picked by 23
    Tim Wellens - 748 points, profit of 616, picked by 11

    And then young guns like Sepulveda (unique pick), Theuns (2 teams) and Benoot (unique pick) who picked up handy profits of around 200 points for low investment. It takes luck to win this game, but it takes some serious skill to pick riders that can put you in a place where you can win if they mostly do well.

    With that, we bring the year to a close. I want to thank all 150 teams that participated, and look forward to starting discussions about next year really soon. Congrats to our podium of Pentacycle, Cykeltyven and Ruudz0r!

    Spreadsheet link: https://www.dropbox.com/s/jg28oa64aywr4tx/CQ%202014%20final.xls?dl=0

    (didn't include spoiler of full results since they are effectively the same as last week; I figured if you wanted to click around the spreadsheet would be useful, though, for completeness' sake)
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    Re: The 2014 CQ Ranking Manager Thread
    « Reply #770 on: November 10, 2014, 20:16 »
    time to do a review of my team :win

    Excellent :woohoo
    Name2013 score2014 scoreProfitReturnPopularity
    CONTADOR VELASCO Alberto122825431315207.08%44
    ARU Fabio2621092830416.79%86
    RABOTTINI Matteo189503314266.14%3
    BOONEN Tom139783644563.31%138
    WELLENS Tim132748616566.67%11
    KENNAUGH Peter93600507645.16%40
    ANACONA GOMEZ Winner Andrew203082881540.00%51
    CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban0476476-90

    Good :cool
    Name2013 score2014 scoreProfitReturnPopularity
    SANCHEZ GIL Luis Leon380543163142.89%48
    BOARO Manuele137270133197.08%4
    STUYVEN Jasper10815850146.30%22
    HEPBURN Michael7116897236.62%17
    SÜTTERLIN Jasha4312683293.02%14
    GERDEMANN Linus0111111-89

    So so :?
    Name2013 score2014 scoreProfitReturnPopularity
    URAN URAN Rigoberto742938196126.42%73
    STYBAR Zdenek6456461100.16%35
    AMADOR BIKKAZAKOVA Andrey274260-1494.89%4
    VILLELLA Davide21929273133.33%40
    YATES Simon16420743126.22%51
    EWAN Caleb11095-1586.36%58

    Not good picks :(
    Name2013 score2014 scoreProfitReturnPopularity
    MARCATO Marco327236-9172.17%13
    JANSE VAN RENSBURG Reinardt302200-10266.23%9
    ROSA Diego181127-5470.17%12
    CRADDOCK Lawson175134-4176.57%17

    Grrr :angry :S
    Name2013 score2014 scoreProfitReturnPopularity
    ATAPUMA HURTADO Jhon Darwin362102-26028.18%19
    MOSER Moreno35387-26624.65%105
    GOSS Matthew21766-15130.41%106
    MORTON Lachlan1590-1590.00%27
    MOHORIC Matej12655-7143.65%44
    SCHLECK Andy9937-6237.37%127
    DOMBROWSKI Joseph Lloyd9710-8710.31%76
    ZORDAN Andrea915-865.49%15
    KESSIAKOFF Fredrik4225-1759.52%90
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    Re: The 2014 CQ Ranking Manager Thread
    « Reply #771 on: November 10, 2014, 20:25 »
    ..and how many of the Grrrs will you pick again in 2015?  :P
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    Re: The 2014 CQ Ranking Manager Thread
    « Reply #772 on: November 10, 2014, 20:29 »
    ..and how many of the Grrrs will you pick again in 2015?  :P

    maybe Dombrowski, Matej, Puma, Moser
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    Re: The 2014 CQ Ranking Manager Thread
    « Reply #773 on: November 10, 2014, 21:14 »
    I re-uped allmy GRRR´s except Basso and Phinny but I only had 8  ;)
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    Re: The 2014 CQ Ranking Manager Thread
    « Reply #774 on: November 11, 2014, 07:21 »
    Thank you so much for hosting this game, it has been a great fun. For me personally not the result I expected, but next season there will be no stopping me!
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    Re: The 2014 CQ Ranking Manager Thread
    « Reply #775 on: November 14, 2014, 19:52 »
    I've been thinking about the game for next year. I think we've hit upon a set of rules that work quite well, but have heard a few different proposals for how to change the game. Hugo always maintained that the simplicity of the game was one of its hallmarks, and I'm inclined to agree, so as I'm intending on continuing to organize it I'm interested in preserving the very simple nature of it. Other ideas involving trades of riders or active rosters or a points valuation based on something more than raw CQ points can spawn other games, that's great, but my feeling is that's not what this game is about.

    That said, if there's one thing I would consider changing, it might be the total points for teams. MC provided me with some info on how CQ points have changed since the game has started:

    total points scored by all teams

    2010 217683
    2011 229067
    2012 239226
    2013 234051
    2014 238259

    average of the top 18 teams (not always the WT)

    2010 7154
    2011 7802
    2012 8401
    2013 8156
    2014 8369

    So, if the initial goal was for 7500 to be an 'average' team, it might be worthwhile considering an increase in team value. Then again, who knows what will happen if WT rosters are reduced as they are supposed to be, the total might go down. And I have zero interest in reducing rosters, I love the fact that you have to pick as many riders as you do, it's fun to follow more riders.

    I've talked to MC and Hugo about this over PM and we're all kind of ambivalent about such an idea. Regardless, it's late enough in the year that people have probably been picking their teams, so I'm not really inclined to make any changes for next year, but this is more just to see what people think. So yeah, opinions are welcome, maybe somewhere indicating which option you're closest to of a) keep it the same, b) change it now! or c) change it maybe, but next year.

    Thanks!
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    Re: The 2014 CQ Ranking Manager Thread
    « Reply #776 on: November 14, 2014, 19:55 »
    I guess the budget could be increased by 500 or 1000 points.

    Just some guy is in favor at least ;)
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    Re: The 2014 CQ Ranking Manager Thread
    « Reply #777 on: November 14, 2014, 20:19 »
    I'd keep it the same.

    Certainly changing it for 2015 would require a lot of team re-jigging.  :P

    Maybe it can be considered for 2016 or 2017, but I'd like to see what the UCI reforms are.
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    Re: The 2014 CQ Ranking Manager Thread
    « Reply #778 on: November 14, 2014, 20:20 »
    I'd keep it the same.

    Certainly changing it for 2015 would require a lot of team re-jigging.  :P

    Maybe it can be considered for 2016 or 2017, but I'd like to see what the UCI reforms are.

    let's hope the UCI reforms don't happen at all :)
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    Re: The 2014 CQ Ranking Manager Thread
    « Reply #779 on: November 14, 2014, 20:34 »
    c) change it maybe, but next year.
    This.
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