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« Reply #30 on: September 08, 2016, 08:15 »
According to reports

Katusha will be Swiss reg in 2017 and only 5 Russians on the team  :o
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    Re: The Katusha Thread
    « Reply #31 on: September 08, 2016, 08:20 »
    mmh, PCS lists Zakarin, Kuznetsov and Mamykin with a contract for 2017 already, which may be correct. Who could be the other two then? Chernetskii and Silin I would guess - or Tsatevich, but he is probably out after the Giro drafting incident
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    Re: The Katusha Thread
    « Reply #32 on: September 08, 2016, 09:30 »
    Silin makes sense then ...... Brutt maybe Got no idea tbh
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    Re: The Katusha Thread
    « Reply #33 on: September 08, 2016, 12:49 »
    According to reports

    Katusha will be Swiss reg in 2017 and only 5 Russians on the team  :o
    Yeah, they're going full international. Swiss-registered, though? With Canyon, and possibly Alpecin, plus Tony Martin being a shoe-in for the Düsseldorf Grand Départ, wouldn't Germany make more sense?
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    Re: The Katusha Thread
    « Reply #34 on: September 08, 2016, 12:56 »
    Yeah, they're going full international. Swiss-registered, though? With Canyon, and possibly Alpecin, plus Tony Martin being a shoe-in for the Düsseldorf Grand Départ, wouldn't Germany make more sense?

    might have something to do with the tax laws?
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    Re: The Katusha Thread
    « Reply #35 on: September 08, 2016, 14:19 »
    Silin makes sense then ...... Brutt maybe Got no idea tbh

    ah, yeah, I wasn't thinking about potential new signings. Foliforov or Firsanov would make sense as well then of course
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    Re: The Katusha Thread
    « Reply #36 on: September 08, 2016, 18:16 »
    might have something to do with the tax laws?
    Quite possibly, yes.
    But that can't be everything - if you want to 'sell' your team as German, registering in Switzerland isn't exactly going to help. They've signed Hollenstein already, maybe they're in the market for more Swiss riders as well.
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    Re: The Katusha Thread
    « Reply #37 on: September 08, 2016, 20:24 »
    Quite possibly, yes.
    But that can't be everything - if you want to 'sell' your team as German, registering in Switzerland isn't exactly going to help. They've signed Hollenstein already, maybe they're in the market for more Swiss riders as well.

    Does the country you're registered in really matter? Some Italian teams were registered in Ireland a few years ago for varying reasons but still thought of as Italian and An Post were registered in Belgium for a year I think but still thought of as Irish.
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    Re: The Katusha Thread
    « Reply #38 on: September 08, 2016, 20:26 »
    maybe not, yeah, Astana never really had much of a Luxembourgian flair (whatever that would look like) as well
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    Re: The Katusha Thread
    « Reply #39 on: September 08, 2016, 22:36 »
    Does the country you're registered in really matter? Some Italian teams were registered in Ireland a few years ago for varying reasons but still thought of as Italian and An Post were registered in Belgium for a year I think but still thought of as Irish.
    It doesn't really matter, certainly not on the WT level.
    Mostly it's a PR exercise (an example is #giant going to *de this year) or a tax-saving measure (the Italian PCTs you mentioned).

    However, it's not completely unimportant either. Races often pick foreign teams to invite on the basis of "1 from each country" or similar, and this also has some influence on wildcard picks for WT races. #bora wouldn't have gotten as many invites early in their history as an *at team, I'm sure - but representing the big *de market counts for something.
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    Re: The Katusha Thread
    « Reply #40 on: September 08, 2016, 22:54 »
    how far back in Dim's pdf file do I have to look to find the *au connection for Endura/Netapp -> Bora? ;)
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    Re: The Katusha Thread
    « Reply #41 on: September 09, 2016, 10:21 »
    how far back in Dim's pdf file do I have to look to find the *au connection for Endura/Netapp -> Bora? ;)
    *at dammit! Stupid country codes! :angry

    They, uh, have Shane Archbold, who's from New Zealand, which is just across the sea from Australia. Plus Zak Dempster, who's an actual Aussie. Endura used to have several more Australian riders, too. :lol
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    Re: The Katusha Thread
    « Reply #42 on: September 09, 2016, 10:28 »
    mmh, they were never registered in Austria as well as far as I can see
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    mmh, they were never registered in Austria as well as far as I can see

    they had some German staff close enough  :lol



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    Re: The Katusha Thread
    « Reply #44 on: September 09, 2016, 11:29 »
    mmh, they were never registered in Austria as well as far as I can see
    Why don't people get what I'm saying?! :fp
    #bora wouldn't have gotten as many invites early in their history as an *at team, I'm sure - but representing the big *de market counts for something.
    This is a hypothetical sentence! :P

    They're from Bavaria, have always had Austrian riders, and could have elected to register in Austria for whatever (tax-related) reason. But doing so wouldn't have given them any advantages, so why should they.
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    Re: The Katusha Thread
    « Reply #45 on: September 09, 2016, 11:44 »
    Do certain countries require that you have x amount of riders from that country before they allow you to register there? or does the country/federation have no say in the matter?
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    « Reply #46 on: September 09, 2016, 12:12 »
    Do certain countries require that you have x amount of riders from that country before they allow you to register there? or does the country/federation have no say in the matter?
    On the WT/PCT level, I think they have no say in the matter - but I'm not certain.
    On the Conti level, teams are required to register with the federation that they draw the plurality of their riders from; here, some federations may well impose such restrictions, but I don't know exactly who does it and what they are.
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    Re: The Katusha Thread
    « Reply #49 on: June 19, 2017, 22:32 »
    #katusha Katusha has slashed Kristoff's red train for Tour de France 2017: no Michael Mørkøv, no Svein Eirk Bystrøm. I don't know who's on the in-list, only heard about these on the out-list.

    One might speculate the includes are mostly german-speaking? (Nils Politt, Rick Zabel and Tony Martin would probably qualify for any train what so ever, it's just me and my predictions that Katusha   really want to target the german market. This comes with a prediction that it will be Kristoff leaving and Kittel their new top sprinter for next year. If they're not content with just keeping Rick Zabel.

    One might also speculate where the north-headed train is going next. With #katusha Kristoff and #astana Fuglsang on outgoing contracts, as well as a long selection of gregario material, 2018 seems like a now-or-never opportunity for a new Scandinavian focused team.
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    Re: The Katusha Thread
    « Reply #50 on: June 20, 2017, 07:05 »
    Katusha   really want to target the german market.
    Alpecin really want to target the German market. ;)
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    « Reply #51 on: June 20, 2017, 07:31 »
    and rightly so, I think. If I had to choose between Morkov/Bystroem and Zabel/Politt (for example) with a Tour start in Düsseldorf, my decision would be the same
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    « Reply #52 on: June 20, 2017, 07:53 »
    and rightly so, I think. If I had to choose between Morkov/Bystroem and Zabel/Politt (for example) with a Tour start in Düsseldorf, my decision would be the same
    Time to get that *dk Grand Départ! :P
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    « Reply #53 on: June 21, 2017, 11:01 »
    Nope. Time to get that  *dk  *fo  *se  *no  *fi  *ax *is  -based World Tour team!
    Sponsors should see opportunity knocking, quality riders in all roles available for next year.
    Moved the discussion of a Scandinavian team sponsorship to the thread we already have about a Norwegian pro team, now re-dedicated to all Scandinavian pro team chatter.
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    Re: The Katusha Thread
    « Reply #54 on: May 09, 2019, 13:03 »
    new bomb for an old team and an old thread:
    Kittel leaves Katusha , by mutual agreement, and still without fully disclosing the reasons why, but it seems psychological from what is being reported at a number of sites right now. I am not going to put a link here because I don't have the original source. 
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    Re: The Katusha Thread
    « Reply #56 on: May 10, 2019, 00:51 »
    new bomb for an old team and an old thread:
    Kittel leaves Katusha , by mutual agreement, and still without fully disclosing the reasons why, but it seems psychological from what is being reported at a number of sites right now. I am not going to put a link here because I don't have the original source. 

    From what is described, it sounds to me not psychological, but plain old-fashioned overtraining combined with bad, non-supportive relationships inside the team. That combination can CREATE psychological issues and lack of drive, but I think those are then more of a symptom than a cause.

    But Greipel has just announced he's lacking his drive this year as well. Curiouser and curiouser.
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    Re: The Katusha Thread
    « Reply #57 on: May 10, 2019, 06:59 »
    But Greipel has just announced he's lacking his drive this year as well. Curiouser and curiouser.

    Leadership matters, even on cycling teams, but there´s little focus on the leaders in cycling, compared to what we see in soccer. In soccer there´s so much focus on the coaches you occasionally tend to think they can score goals.

    Greipel probably made the mistake when switching teams of not having read velorooms properly. I have been picking at that team for years, because more or less all riders seemed to stop developing and start fading on that team, regardless of what point they were in their career. If it is one or two, it is probably the riders, but not when it is the case with the entire team - year after year, then it is the team and the responsible leaders.

    I am not surprised Greipel is lacking drive on that team, cause I haven´t seen a single rider that has found it there. J-L Perichon the closest thing to an exception here,  had a good season last year - and now he is with Cofidis, enough said.
    The rule is that the hopeful riders go there for a contract with a TdF ride possibility, then stagnation sets in and the year after they are not in contention for TdF - and not for other teams either.
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    I am very happy to see Sindre Lunke is riding better again and was #riwal tactical weapon on stage 4 in Yorkshire. They lost the race that day, but other teams have tried hard and lost GC in stage races for #ineos a couple of times, so that is no shame :) Lunke´s direct opponent in similar road captain role was Chris Froome. Riwal develops riders and ride races like a pro team. Arkea contracts riders and rides like a club. Get out, while there still is time, Andre!
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    Re: The Katusha Thread
    « Reply #58 on: May 10, 2019, 19:10 »
    Leadership matters, even on cycling teams, but there´s little focus on the leaders in cycling, compared to what we see in soccer. In soccer there´s so much focus on the coaches you occasionally tend to think they can score goals.

    Greipel probably made the mistake when switching teams of not having read velorooms properly. I have been picking at that team for years, because more or less all riders seemed to stop developing and start fading on that team, regardless of what point they were in their career. If it is one or two, it is probably the riders, but not when it is the case with the entire team - year after year, then it is the team and the responsible leaders.

    I am not surprised Greipel is lacking drive on that team, cause I haven´t seen a single rider that has found it there. J-L Perichon the closest thing to an exception here,  had a good season last year - and now he is with Cofidis, enough said.
    The rule is that the hopeful riders go there for a contract with a TdF ride possibility, then stagnation sets in and the year after they are not in contention for TdF - and not for other teams either.


    British Champion Connor Swift (Madison Genesis) rumoured to be moving there next week, Solid all round rider and rode well to take the British title, albeit a very weak field. GB seem to be having difficulty pulling in their top guys in recent years. Thomas, Froome, Rowe, Both Yates, Thwaites, Cummings, Davies, McLay, Carthy, and Knox all missing last year.

    Do not know the team or what role he will play. If it is to be in the lead out for Greipel, then they may have been better with someone like Thwaites, who has more experience in the Bennett, EBH and Cavendish trains over the past 6 years, assuming he would be interested.
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