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Project Velon formerly known as Project Avignon
« on: January 24, 2014, 17:46 »
Teams create Project Avignon to revolutionise professional cycling

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Cyclingnews has discovered that 13 of professional cycling's leading WorldTour teams are working together to redesign and revolutionise the structure of the sport, with the aim of introducing a more commercial management structure and so boost revenue.

Cyclingnews understands that the 13 teams who are involved in the project are: Belkin, BMC, Cannondale, Garmin-Sharp, Lampre-Merida, Lotto Belisol, Movistar, Omega Pharma-Quick Step, Orica-GreenEdge, Giant-Shimano, Team Sky, Tinkoff-Saxo and Trek Factory Racing.

The teams currently not involved are Ag2r-La Mondiale, Astana, FDJ.fr, Europcar and Katusha.

So no real info except the teams are not happy and maybe willing to do something about it.

2015 is key as the UCI has their plan , the refroms said to be started 2015 and finished 2020 as discussed here- thread .

ASO as always remains the key,
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    Of course, if this turns out someday to be the industry standard integrated handlebar-computer-braking solution then I'll eat my kevlar-reinforced aerodynamic hat.

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    Re: Project Avignon
    « Reply #1 on: January 24, 2014, 17:59 »
    Interesting to see that the Frenchies and those from the East aren't in (at this moment).
    There could be thousands of reasons for that, of course.
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    Re: Project Avignon
    « Reply #2 on: January 24, 2014, 19:28 »
    I think that the exclusion from initial talks of the French teams is very much about keeping the ASO out of the loop, for now.

    An interesting side note, while the teams are forming a working group to try and take more control of the sport from the race organisers, there is also talk of the sponsors forming a working group so that they can try and command more control over the teams.
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    Re: Project Avignon
    « Reply #3 on: January 24, 2014, 19:37 »
    Interesting to see that the Frenchies and those from the East aren't in (at this moment).
    There could be thousands of reasons for that, of course.

    Part of the plan was by Tinkov already leaked. They plan to maybe boycott the Tour. Which means the French teams will never be in.

    Really I don't get why this can't be solved in a better way. Make the Race organizers of major events own a new company that holds rights to races, and organize all races. Split stock in new company based on how big the races the organizer contributes with. So ASO gets biggest share. All the WT teams would then be franchises with no relegation. 

    I swear most unsolvable problems can be solved in three lines, why not do it?
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    Re: Project Avignon
    « Reply #4 on: January 24, 2014, 19:39 »
    Really I don't get why this can't be solved in a better way.
    It's cycling.
    Doing things the logical and easy way would run contrary to the tradition of the sport. ;)
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    Re: Project Avignon
    « Reply #5 on: January 24, 2014, 19:41 »
    It's cycling.
    Doing things the logical and easy way would run contrary to the tradition of the sport. ;)

    True but the goal of both parties is getting money. Both can be without the other. Why not do it together and make even more money?
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    Re: Project Avignon
    « Reply #6 on: January 24, 2014, 19:56 »
    Because humans are, well, human.
    A doesn't like B, B is an old friend of C, but they all despise D, who gets along fine with E and F.
    Or something to that effect.
    Some people are lazy, others are righteous, yet others don't compromise, and the rest are frustrated.

    The things that could easily be done, but don't get done for the sheer unwillingness of some of the parties involved can be staggering.
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    Re: Project Avignon
    « Reply #7 on: January 26, 2014, 17:33 »
    Maybe JV's response to inrng's blogpost about revenue sharing will possibly shed some light.
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    Re: Project Avignon
    « Reply #9 on: February 10, 2014, 19:30 »
    And, in the blink of Mme Amaury's eye, the whole thing collapses.

    ASO's dominance will prevent anything happening... like nothing happens in F1 without Bernie Ecclestone's say so.
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    Re: Project Avignon
    « Reply #10 on: February 10, 2014, 19:39 »
    And, in the blink of Mme Amaury's eye, the whole thing collapses.

    ASO's dominance will prevent anything happening... like nothing happens in F1 without Bernie Ecclestone's say so.

    yep
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    Re: Project Avignon
    « Reply #11 on: February 10, 2014, 19:59 »
    yep

    It has been suggested that I was  a bit brief

    The only way forward is to bring the ASO along for the ride without them cycling is nothing.

    And they are not going to give the money away for free, everyone knows this Avignon , rebel tours , the cycling breakaway etc all = 0 without the ASO.

    there are 2 ways get the ASO to work with you or have more money than them and break them , and get cycling traditions to change overnight.

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    And, in the blink of Mme Amaury's eye, the whole thing collapses.

    ASO's dominance will prevent anything happening... like nothing happens in F1 without Bernie Ecclestone's say so.

    +1  ;)
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    Re: Project Avignon
    « Reply #13 on: November 24, 2014, 20:24 »
    Belkin, BMC, Garmin-Sharp, Lampre-Merida, Lotto-Belisol, Omega Pharma-Quick Step, Orica-GreenEDGE, Giant-Shimano, Sky, Saxo-Tinkoff Trek (the names are those of the teams in 2014)

    power and money there

    Movistar the odd one missing straight away

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    Re: Project Avignon
    « Reply #14 on: November 24, 2014, 20:34 »
    Two less than the first post in the thread. Cannondale are obviously the other one missing. Still, if the 2017 reforms happen the group will consist of over 2/3rds of the WT teams.
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    Re: Project Avignon
    « Reply #15 on: November 24, 2014, 20:39 »
    Two less than the first post in the thread. Cannondale are obviously the other one missing. Still, if the 2017 reforms happen the group will consist of over 2/3rds of the WT teams.

    Yep, and you would think IAM might join if they are WT

    The 8 sided boxing ring is forming
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    All the news was meant to come out 8.00 this morning.

    The ASO owned paper didn't follow the rules  :-x

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    I'm not going to take this band of cowboy contractors seriously until it lays some actual concrete on the driveway of professional cycling. At this point, even a bit of coarse gravel would do fine.
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    Having read their blurb, all I took from it was : Money Money Money Money.

    So Lindsey Naegle is to destroy cycling, just like all the other formerly proud 20 century sports reduced to shiny nothingness by the desire to suck the remaining credits from apathetic chavs wallets.

    The anglophone ultra-capitalists have arrived to get rid of all that pesky history, nuance and culture which stands in the way of turning it into a meaningless cash-cow.

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    The CN article Mixed reactions to Velon business project has lost some subtleties in translation of L'Equipe.

    Bernaudeau didn't really say:

    Quote from: CN
    "Quick, quick, technology has arrived in cycling and it's an exceptional asset! ... But behind it there's always the idea to create a pro league like the NBA and I'm against that."

    What he said was something more sarcastic like this:

    Quote from: L'Equipe
    "Quick, quick, let's get more technology on the bikes, it's the answer to everything! ... But behind that there's always an intent to create an élite pro league like the NBA and I'm against that."

    Bernaudeau is more specifically complaining about gimmicks and two-speed cycling. Although on the latter point, I'm not sure how he therefore sees the current distinction between WT and ProConti.

    Finally, CN quotes the unidentified manager as saying let's see how Cookson reacts, whereas L'Equipe's article online attributes that to Velon boss Bartlett, having prefaced the quote by suggesting that the approach is "soft" for the moment.
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    They seem to be big on this on-bike camera stuff. As I've said before, once past the novelty I'm not convinced of it's value (even if they can get live pics or stuff on a short delay), but lots of others seemed to like it (500k views on Youtube for Degenkolb at California, 150k at the TdS). I guess they hope it's the foot in the door (or a bargaining chip) with ASO and co.
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    Those 2 interviews,  so many words saying so little.

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    Some good infomre ownership of some of the other teams and why they didn't join.

    I count onky #europcar as saying they are against

    http://velonews.competitor.com/2014/11/news/others-prefer-wait-sidelines-velon-takes-flight_354250
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    Some good infomre ownership of some of the other teams and why they didn't join.

    I count onky #europcar as saying they are against

    http://velonews.competitor.com/2014/11/news/others-prefer-wait-sidelines-velon-takes-flight_354250

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