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Re: The Hour record
« Reply #270 on: June 07, 2015, 17:49 »
Pastro, am I allowed to laugh now?

yes, why?

Bruyneel lives in London, Miguel invited by Pinarello

I know the pic can irk somebody. but it's my teenage memories that like it. "l'entrèe dans Liege" Tour 1995. wow
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    Re: The Hour record
    « Reply #271 on: June 07, 2015, 17:50 »
    Wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiggoooooooooooooooo!

    (Sorry to be partisan).

     :cool
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    Re: The Hour record
    « Reply #272 on: June 07, 2015, 18:06 »
    yes, why?
    You know.

    But blessed are those who don't want to know.

    [Mig gives me an idge, I didnt even recognize fat Johan, he means shiiite to me, I am no Americano]

    Have a great evening fellows!

    And I mean that.
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    Re: The Hour record
    « Reply #273 on: June 07, 2015, 18:08 »
    yes, why?

    Bruyneel lives in London, Miguel invited by Pinarello

    I know the pic can irk somebody. but it's my teenage memories that like it. "l'entrèe dans Liege" Tour 1995. wow

    It Irks me. Being the Indurain fanboy that I am I would like Miiguel to punch Johann for that Stage into Liege in '95
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    Re: The Hour record
    « Reply #274 on: June 07, 2015, 18:13 »
    It Irks me. Being the Indurain fanboy that I am I would like Miiguel to punch Johann for that Stage into Liege in '95

    well, back on topic to the hour record. nice to see Wiggo on a Pinarello, after Miguel in 1994.
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    Re: The Hour record
    « Reply #275 on: June 07, 2015, 18:20 »
    well, back on topic to the hour record. nice to see Wiggo on a Pinarello, after Miguel in 1994.

    I thought he might be on a UK Institute of Sport bike to be honest. Designed specifically for the track rather than a heavily modified road TT bike.
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    Re: The Hour record
    « Reply #276 on: June 07, 2015, 18:37 »
    Can't believe they missed the start for ad break  :angry
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    Re: The Hour record
    « Reply #277 on: June 07, 2015, 18:59 »
    Couldnt anyone explain to Brits the standard in cycling isnt Miles PH but Kilometres PH?

    Thats sad fella's.
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    Re: The Hour record
    « Reply #279 on: June 07, 2015, 19:36 »
    Thanks for the free energy gels, Brad.
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    Re: The Hour record
    « Reply #280 on: June 07, 2015, 20:25 »
    Wiggo smashed the record but I don't think he put it out of reach in the way he'd hoped to. 54.526km is his official distance.

    If it's true that he managed 54.9 in training then I'd really like him to go for a stealthy second attempt on a day when the weather is more favourable, you could tell he was really struggling to stay on his pace towards the end of the hour. It's weird that this whole thing was engineered more as a TV spectacle than a legitimate attempt to push the record as far as it can go.

    I could see Tony Martin beating this time with the right conditions.
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    Re: The Hour record
    « Reply #281 on: June 07, 2015, 20:57 »
    If it's true that he managed 54.9 in training then I'd really like him to go for a stealthy second attempt on a day when the weather is more favourable, you could tell he was really struggling to stay on his pace towards the end of the hour.

    I didn't watch it, but what happened to the air pressure regulator in the London velodrome, that allowed the Brits to go for all the fabulous world records in the Olympics?
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    Re: The Hour record
    « Reply #282 on: June 07, 2015, 21:32 »
    I didn't watch it, but what happened to the air pressure regulator in the London velodrome, that allowed the Brits to go for all the fabulous world records in the Olympics?

    I guess they can't regulate the pressure, only the temperature? I'm not certain. I suspect the high pressure causes more problems over longer distances.
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    Re: The Hour record
    « Reply #283 on: June 07, 2015, 21:35 »

    I could see Tony Martin beating this time with the right conditions.

    Martin is the only person I see able to beat this distance. 
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    Re: The Hour record
    « Reply #284 on: June 07, 2015, 21:36 »
    I didn't watch it, but what happened to the air pressure regulator in the London velodrome, that allowed the Brits to go for all the fabulous world records in the Olympics?
    That switch is only turned on at the Olympics, you knew that.


    Great new record for Wiggins.

    Do I care? No, sorry. Never cared, never will, only for benchmarking.
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    Re: The Hour record
    « Reply #285 on: June 07, 2015, 21:43 »
    I didn't watch it, but what happened to the air pressure regulator in the London velodrome, that allowed the Brits to go for all the fabulous world records in the Olympics?

    There isn't one.
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    Re: The Hour record
    « Reply #286 on: June 07, 2015, 21:48 »
    Does anyone have a graphic of Wiggo's lap times? They briefly flashed one on the UCI stream but it was stretched out and wacky.
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    Re: The Hour record
    « Reply #287 on: June 07, 2015, 21:54 »
    Does anyone have a graphic of Wiggo's lap times? They briefly flashed one on the UCI stream but it was stretched out and wacky.

    Here

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    Re: The Hour record
    « Reply #288 on: June 07, 2015, 22:08 »
    Compare with



    Wiggo extraordinarily evenly paced with his effort, even though he does fatigue in the second half and has a few crises in the final 50 laps. Two quick laps at the very end.
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    Re: The Hour record
    « Reply #289 on: June 07, 2015, 22:26 »
    Compare with



    Wiggo extraordinarily evenly paced with is effort, even though he does fatigue in the second half and has a few crises in the final 50 laps. Two quick laps at the very end.

    He's a master. His body hardly moved for the whole hour.
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    Re: The Hour record
    « Reply #290 on: June 07, 2015, 22:40 »
    When the air pressure regulator would have been turned on he would have gone even faster, more stabile I guess.
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    Re: The Hour record
    « Reply #291 on: June 07, 2015, 22:45 »
    When the air pressure regulator would have been turned on he would have gone even faster, more stabile I guess.

    They only turn that on for the Olympics to ensure the Brits win lots of world records. Or when Mo Farah comes to town.
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    Re: The Hour record
    « Reply #292 on: June 07, 2015, 23:21 »
    Got to say the most stylish "hour" of this 2000's era, great marketing from Wiggins, Sky, Rapha, pinarello, and the distance jacket was a thing of beauty, never buy one, never wear one, but an iconic piece of cycling kit!
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    Re: The Hour record
    « Reply #293 on: June 08, 2015, 00:29 »
    wow - comparing those graphs, that is an incredible effort from Brad ...
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    Re: The Hour record
    « Reply #294 on: June 08, 2015, 01:03 »
    Wiggo smashed the record but I don't think he put it out of reach in the way he'd hoped to.

    54.526km is his official distance.

    I think that's worth highlighting, if just for the sake of what we do around here.

    Personally, I thoroughly enjoyed it (even though I bailed on the live chat as it went off the deep end). I enjoyed the build up to it, and I learned quite a bit along the way.

    The UCI Youtube feed was excellent, and Matt Stephens did a great job with his one-man commentary (his own Hour record, of sorts, come to think of it). I'm not a fan of Brad, but it wasn't about him as far as I was concerned. I couldn't care less if he broke the record or not. I just enjoyed watching it all unfold. As I stated previously, I find it surprisingly easy to sit through these attempts. Thirty minutes of bad TV programming can easily be more difficult to endure. I actually like the hypnotizing monotony of the Hour. Although I suspect that the participants my have a different take on the experience.

    So there it is: 54.526km
    Now we have a modern record worthy of contesting. And I believe that to be much of the point behind Wiggo's effort in the first place.
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    Re: The Hour record
    « Reply #295 on: June 09, 2015, 01:01 »
    So this isn't the result of the best and brightest minds of British Cycling working in unison to achieve a landmark in the sport?

    Not being facetious here. I genuinely assumed this to be quite the collaborative effort. But I guess not. :slow

    Bradley Wiggins liberated by Hour Record challenge
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    “You’re a one-man band,” [Wiggins] told reporters at the velodrome on Tuesday. “From the start of this it was my project – I had to take control and lead it, and have my own input and ideas on what I thought I needed to do for this record. So in that sense it’s been a lot easier than just being dictated to. It’s quite liberating.

    Well this is interesting.
    British Cycling was 'too involved' in Sir Bradley Wiggins record
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    British Cycling was "too involved" in Sir Bradley Wiggins' hour record bid, says a coach of fellow Briton Alex Dowsett, the man whose record he beat.

    Steve Collins alleged the governing body helped design parts of Wiggins' bike, which he felt was "not allowed".

    "He also had the help of British Cycling which, well, is not allowed. It was a bit strange to see British Cycling, like [coach] Shane Sutton, getting so involved last night when he doesn't work for Team Wiggins, I'm not sure how that's allowed."

    Can someone sort this out for me?  :S

    I would've thought that half the point was to rally the troops and bring all the fire power one could muster to set a new world record.

    Didn't Cancellara have the full support of Trek, and everything they could bring to the table, when he was originally considering this?

    Since when is the supposed to be a "one-man band"?

    And if Wiggins did have a full team of people behind him, why is he spouting such BS about it being something other than that? (Rhetorical, I know.)

    What are the "rules" regarding collaboration etc?


    I guess this means there's yet more to learn about the fascinating pursuit of The Hour.  :cool  :P
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    Re: The Hour record
    « Reply #296 on: June 09, 2015, 01:16 »
    When Wiggo says 'one-man band' he is trying to say that he was the one making the decisions about every aspect of his hour attempt, not that he did the whole thing on his own. Rather than British cycling telling him 'OK Brad, Athens in four years, you are going to spend every week between now and then training to ride four kilometers in four minutes and sixteen seconds', this was him going to British cycling and saying 'I am going to attempt the hour record and I want to target Rominger's pace and you should help me'.

    I can understand Dowsett being peeved though, Wiggo is absolutely the golden boy of British Cycling and he absolutely gets preferential treatment. I don't know about this quote from Steve Collins though, I wasn't aware there was any restriction on who is allowed to assist a rider making an hour record attempt and how much assistance they are allowed to offer.
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    Re: The Hour record
    « Reply #297 on: June 09, 2015, 07:04 »
    I can understand Dowsett being peeved though, Wiggo is absolutely the golden boy of British Cycling and he absolutely gets preferential treatment. I don't know about this quote from Steve Collins though, I wasn't aware there was any restriction on who is allowed to assist a rider making an hour record attempt and how much assistance they are allowed to offer.

    Collins seems to be conflating situations like "Simon Clarke is on a different team from Richie Porte and was not allowed to help him by a wheel change" with "Shane Sutton is on a different team from Bradley Wiggins and so shouldn't be allowed to help him": a totally false parallel.  If he thinks it is against a rule, he should be able to point at a rule that it transgresses, and there isn't one.

    Although I get the impression that Dowsett had full backing from all involved with Movistar, and part of the commercial imperative behind such attempts is to show off the abilities of one's suppliers, Collins seems to have an agenda of "Dowsett is British too: how come he didn't get the backing of BC?".  In this, he seems to totally ignore the nature of the relationship between Sky, Team Wiggins and British Cycling.

    The difference between the two successful attempts in terms of media coverage in the UK has been rather nauseating to observe, though.  That might be the Sky/BC PR machine at work, but I think it is far more likely that it is the case that it is not sufficient in a minority sport to be a record breaking Brit to earn acclaim for one's achievement, it is all about being a 'sleb'.  Puke.
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    Re: The Hour record
    « Reply #298 on: June 09, 2015, 07:59 »
    Collins seems to be conflating situations like "Simon Clarke is on a different team from Richie Porte and was not allowed to help him by a wheel change" with "Shane Sutton is on a different team from Bradley Wiggins and so shouldn't be allowed to help him": a totally false parallel.  If he thinks it is against a rule, he should be able to point at a rule that it transgresses, and there isn't one.

    Although I get the impression that Dowsett had full backing from all involved with Movistar, and part of the commercial imperative behind such attempts is to show off the abilities of one's suppliers, Collins seems to have an agenda of "Dowsett is British too: how come he didn't get the backing of BC?". In this, he seems to totally ignore the nature of the relationship between Sky, Team Wiggins and British Cycling.

    The difference between the two successful attempts in terms of media coverage in the UK has been rather nauseating to observe, though.  That might be the Sky/BC PR machine at work, but I think it is far more likely that it is the case that it is not sufficient in a minority sport to be a record breaking Brit to earn acclaim for one's achievement, it is all about being a 'sleb'.  Puke.

    I think you have it there.

    We have to remember too that Brad has told all and sundry that he has ridden his last race for Sky - that he is now training for Rio ... for British Cycling ... and is and always has been under both banners.

    Its not terribly surprising that he was being supported by both
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    Re: The Hour record
    « Reply #299 on: June 09, 2015, 08:21 »
    I was pretty impressed with MOV letting Dowsett spend so long off the road but I suppose it had much to do with Canyon being hungry for something on its palmares, just as Pinarello was very visible on Wiggins' ride.

    It is true that the razmatazz around Wiggins was a bit over the top but Dowsett can always have another shot later in his career.

    I think there will be a period of quiet now. As long as the record was still beatable by increments, any specialist TTist could have a crack at it, but now it will need a world standard TTist.

    Not sure Cancellara will bother but Tony Hans Joachim Martin might want to do it, since it would probably appeal to his methodical nature. There's no hurry for him though, he's five years younger than Wiggins.
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