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Re: The Perfect Race
« Reply #30 on: April 06, 2014, 18:25 »
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The idea isn't to superimpoze untried races on the world tour, as seems to always be assumed, but to promote to wt proven existing races that have shown that even at the lower level they can bring in interest, good racing etc, and reward them for inveisting in cycling at the lower level.

So no, not a Tour of Brazil  (which to my knowledge doesn't even exist and wouldn't be possible because the country is too big and 90% rainforest), but existing races which have proven they are successful.

Also your ""now lets stop eating European food." analogy is dumb because Europe would still have all the top races. Last I checked the countries - France, Italy and Spain, are all still in Europe, as are the cities - San Remo, Liege, Roubaix, Bruge and Milan.
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    Re: The Perfect Race
    « Reply #31 on: April 06, 2014, 21:49 »
    I explicitly said -
    So no, not a Tour of Brazil  (which to my knowledge doesn't even exist and wouldn't be possible because the country is too big and 90% rainforest), but existing races which have proven they are successful.

    Just sticking to the example given in the previous post also by me which yours was a response to.

    Also your ""now lets stop eating European food." analogy is dumb because Europe would still have all the top races. Last I checked the countries - France, Italy and Spain, are all still in Europe, as are the cities - San Remo, Liege, Roubaix, Bruge and Milan.

    Sure replace "European food" with a sort of European food then, sausages. Also it is not my analogy, I just addressed the point that it was not accurate.

    So you don't like ITT's for horrible TV shows but TTT is fine. Don't tell me you think TTT's are nicer to watch?  :S

    ITT's are the ultimate efforts in road cycling. It's every man for himself. You can't cheat, you can't draft wheels. So I that have a reputation as a stage race hater am defending their status here. When a ITT specialist wins a stage race, I have the feeling a strong man won, one way or another. In GT's it no longer happens now. I find that very weird. When you see that the best ITTist of the last decade, just won the Tour of Flanders.  :P


    By the way, and it's rather important to see that. ITT's might be horrible TV show for TV viewers but for the audience who visit the race, it's great fun. You can see a rider coming every 2 minutes. An imperative !! :)

    TTT is better on TV than ITT if for nothing else because it last shorter, but yes both are terrible TV. The less ITT is more of a TV fans wish, from the road it is obviously the other way around, but competitively speaking, I think it is fine now. Different races for different riders though, Rodriquez should still have a chance of winning a week long without being able to ITT.

    There's a misunderstanding. I said 5 bunch stages of 200+ km in GT's ! A bunch stage is any stage but ITT's, you know.  :P
    But that was provocative. Just to build up my stage race hater image.  :lol

    Still agree completely though, not sure I like a cap on it, but from a design point of view I think 150-175 is ideal, then ofc there should be one or two stages at 220-230 just to test that part of a riders skills. Variation is a good thing.

    In regards to the whole WT discussion it has already been had, no point in opening that again imo unless somebody that wasn't in it then wants to drop in their 2 cents.

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    Re: The Perfect Race
    « Reply #32 on: April 19, 2014, 17:22 »
    Stage 6 updated, I really want to improve stage 4 but it being a half stage makes it hard. Also I like the towns it uses. The Transfers after the ITT and the Transfers after stage 1 are quite long, but it may be okay.
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    Re: The Perfect Race
    « Reply #33 on: April 21, 2014, 21:09 »
    Stage 6 updated
    Gurre Skov! :win :D :woohoo :D :win

    I'd LOVE to see your Tour of Denmark, but especially that final stage. It would be absolutely awesome! :cool
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    Re: The Perfect Race
    « Reply #34 on: April 21, 2014, 22:39 »
    Gurre Skov! :win :D :woohoo :D :win

    I'd LOVE to see your Tour of Denmark, but especially that final stage. It would be absolutely awesome! :cool

    I hope I have balanced them correctly, I sort of want to give a stage for each different aspect of cycling so that more riders might be in the mix for overall. I really wonder who would win this race, I think Matti might be a good bid with the shorter ITT, however I think the new route in the Vejle stage is a lot harder than what is normally seen there, so he might not be coming in with the leaders, I think that stage will really benefit from having 5 man teams, I mean now you can't just wait till last time up the finish climb, the last km's are packed on that stage after a couple of climbs it might be mano a mano for the GC contenders , also I think no loop makes for more attacks.  Rebild Bakker on the narrow roads and paths should be great on stage 2 as well, the finish in Aarhus is insane, if somebody is willing to sponsor 10m of asphalt it could have an extra 10% climb added in the last 10km and the decent which I will say is the trickiest I have ever seen. There is a decent in Riis skov where there is a 120 degree corner at 16% real narrow road, terrible asphalt (Where Aarhus kommune decided to build in two road bumps to make it even harder to safely ride. If used some of those mats used on the poles of chairlifts may be needed to pad the trees by the bend, oh and because it is under the trees the pavement is almost always wet. I think I only managed to stay on the road two or three times down that way. The asphalt is needed at the bottom of the decent where as of now some very loose very deep gravel lay which is not really rideable at anything faster than walking pace. If this was added it would be a perfect finish if you ask me, two very steep short climbs, a couple of cobbled super short climbs, and the worst decent I've ever seen, in a few Km crazy. Could maybe takeout the loop of Sølystgade and Samsøgade from the finish to make the 3 short cobbled climbs come right after each other, yet the cobbles on both of those streets are in not the best condition either so they certainly add something.
     
    Extra climb by Riis skov the red route:
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    Re: The Perfect Race
    « Reply #35 on: April 26, 2014, 08:59 »
    A few videos of the stage 3 finishing climb, the first one has the second to last climb as well.


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    Re: The Perfect Race
    « Reply #36 on: April 26, 2014, 09:26 »
    The fourth to last climb on stage 2 (The last three are very short cobbled "climbs"):
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    Re: The Perfect Race
    « Reply #37 on: May 14, 2014, 20:17 »
    I think I will revive this with a few route ideas for other years, I won't make them full routes, but more a stage and what it could be used as.

    I have this idea, ending with a Copenhagen ITT might be fun one year

    This is a very hilly 4.6Km ITT around Valby with two hills, one of them cobbled.


    Ny Carlsberg Vej (Through the brewery)

    Valbybakke, with Frederiksberg Castle:

    Jesus Church, Valby

    Steelbridge over the railroad:

    Vestre Kirkegaards Allé:


    I would imagine that the half stage stage 5 could then start in Dragør and run to Frederiksberg Allé like the last stage normally does, using cobbles around the city to get there.
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    Re: The Perfect Race
    « Reply #38 on: May 17, 2014, 07:27 »
    Here is a stage idea for a year where a stage to Aarhus comes after the Vejle queen stage. It is a half stage and an ITT.
    Stage distances: Half stage: 85.9Km ITT: 6.78Km


    Half stage profile:

    ITT Profile:


    This day is a very hilly day,  the finishing climbs in the Aarhus area should split up the pack on the half stage, the ITT is also hilly business. The roads on the ITT are not in the best condition, as the main part of the route is just a road to the beach south of Aarhus, the Half stage feature some pretty bad narrow roads around Skanderborg (The half way mark) The last three climbs and the final decent all have stretches of not that great road. The third to last climb also includes the cobbled climb that is the finish on stage 2 of my original post at is start.

    I will update with pictures later today, and I have two updates for my original post as well.
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    Re: The Perfect Race
    « Reply #39 on: May 17, 2014, 17:54 »
    Stage 1 now includes a small climb to make the Hill Jersey an objective for the break of the day, the tricky decent is now included on stage 2 as well.

    Pictures relating to the routes above:

    Half stage:
    Bygholm:

    Hansted monastery:

    Ejer Bavnehøj:

    Remains of Skanderborg Castle:

    Constantinborg:

    Bothanical Garden:
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    Re: The Perfect Race
    « Reply #40 on: May 26, 2014, 13:56 »
    After a bit of research it appears that stage six can possibly start not only by the ramparts, but in the actual courtyard at Kronborg, the castle where Shakespeare Hamlet takes place. It is possible to get in there without navigating any staircases.
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    Re: The Perfect Race
    « Reply #41 on: June 02, 2014, 10:03 »
    I wonder would it actually be better for PDR to be a .2 so that it can invite conti teams from Norway/Sweden as well? the 50% WT limit should be no problem as with 5 riders per team, the peloton can just have extra teams until the WT teams make up only 50%. It seems to be a strength of the Tour Des Fjords that they can invite Danish teams. Either that or lobby the UCI to change the rule to state that .HC can invite conti teams from their region and then define those rather than just their country. I mean an HC race in France has a much wider base of teams to invite than one in Denmark. So if we could invite conti for all of Scandinavia it seems appealing to me.
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    Re: The Perfect Race
    « Reply #42 on: June 16, 2014, 19:38 »
    An important feature is where the race should be run:

    There are two major areas that will need to be raced almost every year.

    Eastern Jutland and Western Sealand have the only hills big enough to force seperation, so at least 2 stages will be needed there.

    Copenhagen should have stage 6 always.

    Some years stage 1/2 should visit areas that have historical links to Denmark.

    Some variations of this could be

    Full stage one around Bornholm with a finish in Gudhjem (Danish) and a half stage from Ystad to Malmö in Scania, Sweden that used to be part of Denmark. Then the ITT could be run stage 3 in copenhagen and stage 4 could run towards Funen with stage 5 to Eastern Jutland and stage 6 back to Copenhagen.

    Visit Flensburg on a stage 1 around southern Jutland, honering the Danish minority in Schleswig.

    And the ones harder/impossible to make happen:

    Start the race in Norway ending near Larvik or Kristianstad, fly riders back to Denmark, and put team buses on ferries.

    Have stage 1 be a half stage Vidareidi - Sornfelli and have stage 2 be the ITT around Thorshavn on the Faroe Islands. This would make stage 1 a mountain stage with a 700m climb at about 10-11% in the end.

    Other wishes could be Yorkshire, Greenland and Iceland or Lativa/Estonia.
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    Re: The Perfect Race
    « Reply #43 on: June 16, 2014, 20:03 »
    Full stage one around Bornholm with a finish in Gudhjem (Danish) and a half stage from Ystad to Malmö in Scania, Sweden that used to be part of Denmark. Then the ITT could be run stage 3 in copenhagen and stage 4 could run towards Funen with stage 5 to Eastern Jutland and stage 6 back to Copenhagen.

    Visit Flensburg on a stage 1 around southern Jutland, honering the Danish minority in Schleswig.
    I like these, very much. Especially the second one. ;)
    But it shouldn't just be a visit: Why not make a stage starting in Schleswig (or even outside the museum in Hedeby), going past a.o. Dannevirke and Isted and finishing in Flensburg?
    You could make a very demanding finishing circuit there, with the finish at the top of Toosbüystraße.
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    Re: The Perfect Race
    « Reply #44 on: June 16, 2014, 20:31 »
    I like these, very much. Especially the second one. ;)
    But it shouldn't just be a visit: Why not make a stage starting in Schleswig (or even outside the museum in Hedeby), going past a.o. Dannevirke and Isted and finishing in Flensburg?
    You could make a very demanding finishing circuit there, with the finish at the top of Toosbüystraße.

    Could very well do that too one year, I have a stage 1 Nordborg - Tønder in Google Earth as of now, passing through Flensburg, it also goes by Dybølmølle, Hærvejen, Løgumkloster, Møgeltønder and the dikes by Højer. The stage has wind near the end and also moves on to some white gravel maintenance roads in relation to the dikes. I normally package any routes I make I have this one packaged with a stage 2 to Vejle (not yet made) the half stage and ITT to Aarhus shown above. A stage from Nykøbing Sj. to Lumsås passing through Kalundborg and the climbs around Oddsherred. Finishing on two shorter climbs. But one could very well start a race at Danevirke and pass through more of Schleswig and finish in Flensburg, or further north even making it a stage of all of Schleswig not just the parts that went to Germany. A finish in Flesburg could well be either A: Angelburger Straße - Freisische Straße - Südergraben - Nordergraben bringing a bit of a climb and some cobbles into the mix. If pure climb I think Marienstraße is a harder climb than Toosbüystraße, and brings a more pretty stage finish and the corner at the base of the climb will mean slower speeds forcing riders to accelerate into the climb. It would then be nice to have a pretty hard climb 10km or less before to make sure the peloton is somewhat reduced.

    Really the problem I see is, will any of these stages result in time gaps? Another issue is that cycling is hated on by the German media scene as well. So coverage might not be the best. Racing in Sweden could lead to extra TV coverage there, I doubt it would in Germany.
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    Re: The Perfect Race
    « Reply #45 on: June 16, 2014, 20:39 »
    I like these, very much. Especially the second one. ;)

    Agree, adding a start on Bornholm is something that should be done very rarely as the race then becomes very much isolated in Eastern Denmark, and only really have one stage to run in Jutland, which will likely have to be to Vejle then.

    When Fehmern link comes it could be possible to run a stage 4/5 through germany as well

    The one I like most is the MTT on the Faroe Islands, but logistics is a nightmare there which makes it almost impossible. Also I would think that would maybe be best to have a prolouge and half stage same day there and then do the real ITT on stage 6 around Copenhagen. If the ITT and MTF was on one day then race could be over before it returns from the Faroe Islands.
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    Re: The Perfect Race
    « Reply #46 on: June 16, 2014, 20:42 »
    Also this short ITT around Fredericia's ramparts is pretty nice too.
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    Re: The Perfect Race
    « Reply #47 on: August 04, 2014, 11:29 »
    I like these, very much. Especially the second one. ;)
    But it shouldn't just be a visit: Why not make a stage starting in Schleswig (or even outside the museum in Hedeby), going past a.o. Dannevirke and Isted and finishing in Flensburg?
    You could make a very demanding finishing circuit there, with the finish at the top of Toosbüystraße.

    Found a possible finish Circuit in Sønderborg, very pretty town by the way, didn't expect that tbh. Only climbing up about 15 meters at about 5% however the lap is almost entirely cobbled, the climb is all cobbles, and the laps are super short at only about 1.1km so could be ridden more times than three to make it even harder, finish on Rådhustorvet as well, riding past the pretty harbor front of the city, from the looks of it it seems harder than the stage that ended at Dybbøl last year.
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    Re: The Perfect Race
    « Reply #48 on: August 12, 2014, 20:39 »
    More a crazy idea than anything, as the logs crossing the paths would have to be removed, but the idea of a 1.3Km 10%ish MTT is still intriguing, would be great TV at least.
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    Re: The Perfect Race
    « Reply #49 on: August 12, 2014, 21:19 »
    Ever since the Gudhjem Post Cup in May I've been wondering how a Bornholm stage could be incorporated into the Tour of Denmark aka. PDR. Anything but making it the first or the last stage would be a logistical nightmare.
    My idea - and it's only an idea, far from fleshed out - is the following. Keep in mind that from 2015, PDR will run Tuesday-Saturday instead of Wednesday-Sunday.

    Teams would travel to Bornholm Monday, with riders flying into CPH, then taking the flight to Bornholm - team cars, race organisation, media etc. would use the ferry (from Ystad, or even Sassnitz if coming from the continent) the same way it was done at the Post Cup. Accommodation in/around Rønne. Tuesday would see stage 1, Rønne-Gudhjem, taking in the whole island, with an early finish and a transfer to Copenhagen - plane for the riders, ferry (to Ystad) and road for the caravan.
    After an overnight stay in or near Copenhagen, Wednesday would see a road stage on Sjælland - e.g. Ballerup-Roskilde, starting at the venue of the Copenhagen Sixdays, then going through Nordsjælland and the hills between Holbæk and Roskilde and using the finish of the 2007 *dk championships.
    Thursday will have a short morning stage - e.g. Slagelse-Odense, with a hill sprint on Storebæltsbroen (the Great Belt Bridge) - and an evening ITT (maybe in beautiful Svendborg).
    Friday will see the traditional queen stage, but this time without Yding Skovhøj etc. Instead, starting from Middelfart, going over Lillebæltsbroen, and then via Fredericia and Kolding to the area around Vejle for the second half of the stage. I'd like to see a real re-vamp, with Kiddesvej still the finishing climb, but already used earlier in the race at ~50-60 km to go, then out on a loop taking in every possible hill there is, to finish with 2-3 laps of the traditional circuit.
    Saturday will be the final stage. Starting in Skanderborg, crossing Yding Skovhøj etc., and finishing in Herning with ... you guessed it, the gravel roads of the GP Herning.
    Monday travel to Bornholm
    1 Tuesday Rønne-Bornholm ~160 km
    Tuesday transfer to Copenhagen area
    2 Wednesday Ballerup-Roskilde ~180 km
    3a Thursday Slagelse-Odense ~100 km
    3b Thursday Svendborg ITT ~15 km
    4 Friday Middelfart-Vejle ~200 km
    5 Saturday Skanderborg-Herning ~180 km

    After the final stage, the airport of Billund isn't far away, to e.g. get to BeNeLux for the ENECO Tour.
    The following year would be extremely Jutland-heavy to make up for this, but once in a while a detour from the traditional 'recipe' could be very refreshing in my opinion.
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    Re: The Perfect Race
    « Reply #50 on: August 13, 2014, 13:02 »
    Ever since the Gudhjem Post Cup in May I've been wondering how a Bornholm stage could be incorporated into the Tour of Denmark aka. PDR. Anything but making it the first or the last stage would be a logistical nightmare.
    My idea - and it's only an idea, far from fleshed out - is the following. Keep in mind that from 2015, PDR will run Tuesday-Saturday instead of Wednesday-Sunday.

    Teams would travel to Bornholm Monday, with riders flying into CPH, then taking the flight to Bornholm - team cars, race organisation, media etc. would use the ferry (from Ystad, or even Sassnitz if coming from the continent) the same way it was done at the Post Cup. Accommodation in/around Rønne. Tuesday would see stage 1, Rønne-Gudhjem, taking in the whole island, with an early finish and a transfer to Copenhagen - plane for the riders, ferry (to Ystad) and road for the caravan.
    After an overnight stay in or near Copenhagen, Wednesday would see a road stage on Sjælland - e.g. Ballerup-Roskilde, starting at the venue of the Copenhagen Sixdays, then going through Nordsjælland and the hills between Holbæk and Roskilde and using the finish of the 2007 *dk championships.
    Thursday will have a short morning stage - e.g. Slagelse-Odense, with a hill sprint on Storebæltsbroen (the Great Belt Bridge) - and an evening ITT (maybe in beautiful Svendborg).
    Friday will see the traditional queen stage, but this time without Yding Skovhøj etc. Instead, starting from Middelfart, going over Lillebæltsbroen, and then via Fredericia and Kolding to the area around Vejle for the second half of the stage. I'd like to see a real re-vamp, with Kiddesvej still the finishing climb, but already used earlier in the race at ~50-60 km to go, then out on a loop taking in every possible hill there is, to finish with 2-3 laps of the traditional circuit.
    Saturday will be the final stage. Starting in Skanderborg, crossing Yding Skovhøj etc., and finishing in Herning with ... you guessed it, the gravel roads of the GP Herning.
    Monday travel to Bornholm
    1 Tuesday Rønne-Bornholm ~160 km
    Tuesday transfer to Copenhagen area
    2 Wednesday Ballerup-Roskilde ~180 km
    3a Thursday Slagelse-Odense ~100 km
    3b Thursday Svendborg ITT ~15 km
    4 Friday Middelfart-Vejle ~200 km
    5 Saturday Skanderborg-Herning ~180 km

    After the final stage, the airport of Billund isn't far away, to e.g. get to BeNeLux for the ENECO Tour.
    The following year would be extremely Jutland-heavy to make up for this, but once in a while a detour from the traditional 'recipe' could be very refreshing in my opinion.

    Made a first go at a Bornholm stage - 136Km with three laps of the 2.2Km Circuit in the end inside Gudhjem.


    I like a program like the one below better I think, Lumsås has two very hard climbs that could make the stage fun, goal line in Gudhjem should be at the harbour, making it a likely sprint from a reduced group. After stage 2 the ferry from Odden to Aarhus can take the peloton to Jutland. Stage 3 will be a tough tour of the area where stages one and two was run this year, finish in Aarhus has several options, a hard finish with climbs, the traditional finish or a sprint on Park Allé. Stage 4a is a climbers race really, all day up down. 4b is the ITT above. 5 is what it normally is. As far as circuits go I think they should be used always when there is no TV coverage, however if the race gets coverage they need to change this to have a better TV race, although it could be used rarely when the finish otherwise would not work, like in Gudhjem and Lumsås.

    1 Rønne - Gudhjem ~140Km
    2 Roskilde - Lumsås ~170Km
    3 Skanderborg - Aarhus ~210Km
    4a Vejle - Vejle ~ 85Km
    4b Fredericia - Fredericia ITT ~10Km (See above)
    5 Sorø - Frederiksberg ~180Km
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    Re: The Perfect Race
    « Reply #51 on: August 13, 2014, 13:19 »
    How high is a car with bikes on top anyways? seems like that would be useful to know.
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    « Reply #52 on: October 24, 2014, 09:06 »
    Found this today:



    Then I did some research, and it turns up while Åbenrå is a town with a lot of bad architecture for some reason they have a lot of maintained gravel roads basically it would be possible to do




    The Switchback and some cobble in midtown
    Finish on Callesensgade

    Also there is plenty of gravel roads to add in front of this final  :D
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    « Reply #53 on: November 27, 2014, 21:22 »
    Seems like next years PDR will have 55km of windy roads near the finish on stage 1  :D

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    Strange it seems like I have heard about such a plan to include windy roads on stage one before can't remember where though  :S

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    Can someone tell me?  :-x

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    Oh yea of cause  :o

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    Stage 1: Esbjerg - Tyborøn 177Km
    Stage 1 is probably best described by three words, Windy, Flat and 181. Bi-road 181 is a Danish road that runs north to south and stretches pretty much the length of the west coast of Jutland. The whole west coast is known for being windy but this route runs almost exclusively next to the ocean making it extra windy, also it should be noted that the typical wind direction is blowing west to east, meaning that there will be side wind on the whole stretch. This stage is all dependent on the wind. If it is raced in the few days a year when the wind doesn't blow it will be a boring flat sprint stage. However the amount of wind that is needed to break up the peloton would without a doubt be characterized as a very quiet day wind wise on the west coast. This stage should lead to echelons. It will not be a stage where Post Danmark Rundt can be won.  But it will be a stage where it can be lost. The Stage will more than likely narrow the contenders of overall victory down to a select group of 50 or less riders. The start will be in Esbjerg outside the train station, which historically help the town grow, Esbjerg is a very young town and grew only after the Danish defeat in 1864 which led to a focus on the internal circumstances and an increased export to England of agricultural products. There's your Lurpak Butter and Danish Bacon. The town of Varde will host the bonus sprint of the day, through the town the town plaza is crossed which is cobbled and a street behind the church which is also cobbled is ridden, these streets are very narrow so something might happen, also this is shortly before the sprint so pace may be high if nobody is in front of the pack. Which nobody may be as the bonus sprint comes so early that teams with sprinters might just control the stage from the start to the sprint. Next intersting point comes on the exit from the town of Oksbøl where the peloton makes its way through some of the last wild nature in Denmark which serves as training ground for the army. The highest point of the stage, Blåbjerg, while being less mountain than the name might suggest still host a hill sprint that will determine who will wear that jersey for stage 2, the "climb" only maxes out at 3.4% so it will likely be the rider in the break of the day with the best sprint that will claim the honor. Ones the peloton reaches Nymindegab the rest of the route will be next to the ocean with predictable side wind. The banks by Hvide Sande and Thorsminde seperate the ocean from very large dammed in fjords. While this area does not have a lot of permanent residents a lot of summerhouse areas with a lot of german visitors are located in the area meaning that the crowds should be impressive for a race that barely sees any highly populated areas. The last few Km's heading in to Thyborøn are on a thin slit of land separating the North Sea and Limfjorden, here the wind should be the highest. The finish line on Bredgade in Thyborøn is next to the Harbour that made Thyborøn what it is today and team buses can park right next to the finish line.


    Sights stage 1 - Start to finish:
    Esbjerg Station

    Vor Frelser Kirke - Our Savior Church - Esbjerg:

    Varde Plaza:

    Oksbøl:

    Army training area:

    Blåbjerg:


    Nymindegab:

    Hvide Sande:

    Thorsminde:

    WWII Bunker along the west coast:

    Bredgade Thyborøn:


    DCU pay me :angry

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    Source: http://www.dr.dk/Sporten/Cykling/2014/11/26/1126151950.htm (Danish)
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    Re: The Perfect Race
    « Reply #54 on: November 27, 2014, 21:46 »
    Strange it seems like I have heard about such a plan to include windy roads on stage one before can't remember where though  :S
    If they keep copying you we're in for a hell of a race! :D
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    Re: The Perfect Race
    « Reply #55 on: November 27, 2014, 21:58 »
    If they keep copying you we're in for a hell of a race! :D

    Yup, I am mostly looking forward to stage 3 where there is a bridge that is too low to allow the cars under, but I only realized a while after I posted, wonder if they will notice...  :o  Might want to tell them about that...  :lol

    A bit too early to say they definitely copied me, but another of my ideas and it might actually be.

    But would be great if they did.

    Recently I considering using a mapping program to set up an analyst tool that would calculate possible routes. Simply use feature classes such as protected nature, culture sights and such, and set up a calculator for road slope, that way one could simply instruct the program to find a certain type of parcours and optimize for beauty of nature. Figured out it would probably take too much time, considering I wouldn't get paid for it, but it should be possible to make a computer program that could calculate danish cycling routes, primarily on free data. Sadly I don't think there is data on road surface.
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    Re: The Perfect Race
    « Reply #56 on: November 27, 2014, 22:04 »
    Google Street View of said bridge:


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    « Reply #57 on: November 27, 2014, 22:10 »
    Yup, I am mostly looking forward to stage 3 where there is a bridge that is too low to allow the cars under, but I only realized a while after I posted, wonder if they will notice...  :o  Might want to tell them about that...  :lol
    Details. If they can re-route the cars around the Muur in the Ronde, they can do the same here. :P
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    « Reply #58 on: November 27, 2014, 22:18 »
    Details. If they can re-route the cars around the Muur in the Ronde, they can do the same here. :P

    This is on the down part from 3rd to last climb, and only a few % down anyway, might as well just go straight through on the main road.

    Orange is original with low bridge, blue is revised.
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    Re: The Perfect Race
    « Reply #59 on: November 27, 2014, 22:35 »
    Yes, the blue route looks better. Not as many turns.
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