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So Froome can climb faster than just about anyone

Has had Typhoid and Bazilla

can do a bike fit better than Merckx

His trainers at Sky are sh*t

but still little Chris makes it what a story

lucky I believe in miracles


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    So Froome can climb faster than just about anyone

    Has had Typhoid and Bazilla

    can do a bike fit better than Merckx

    His trainers at Sky are sh*t

    but still little Chris makes it what a story

    lucky I believe in miracles


    ;)

    ..and he still had the energy to fight off the evil knights ;)
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    Re: Dave Walsh - The Climb
    « Reply #32 on: June 06, 2014, 22:29 »
    The question after reading this book should be if David Walsh has become senile. Or, was he already senile. Or, when did he become senile?

    Thanks Keith for the analysis.
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    Re: Dave Walsh - The Climb
    « Reply #33 on: June 07, 2014, 04:17 »
    He really hates Movistar and Saxo. Fwiw I didn't think Contador did anything unsporting. Froome's complaining about guys attacking when he's most vulnerable - that's basic tactics, not being arseholes. Idiot.
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    Re: Dave Walsh - The Climb
    « Reply #34 on: June 07, 2014, 04:45 »
    On another note, Walsh is an awful writer. Not because he's pro-Froome or anything, he's just ugly. His style of writing is awkward and amateurish, filled with malapropisms. It has no fluidity or creative flair. I said as much when I read his first Froome book - this guy's command of written English is worse than what mine was when I was 15. How can somebody so incompetent make a living off writing?

    I don't mean to sound arrogant but I think I'm an excellent writer and it's something I'm very passionate about, something I hold up to everybody as a great discipline and art form. So it's almost insulting to me to see a hack make a living as a writer.
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    Re: Dave Walsh - The Climb
    « Reply #35 on: June 07, 2014, 05:27 »
    You have been blocked from following this account at the request of the user. Yes Dawg that worked for Wonderboy as well
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    Re: Dave Walsh - The Climb
    « Reply #36 on: June 07, 2014, 05:41 »
    So is their more bile in this thread or in the book... :slow
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    Re: Dave Walsh - The Climb
    « Reply #37 on: June 07, 2014, 14:39 »
    On another note, Walsh is an awful writer. Not because he's pro-Froome or anything, he's just ugly. His style of writing is awkward and amateurish, filled with malapropisms. It has no fluidity or creative flair. I said as much when I read his first Froome book - this guy's command of written English is worse than what mine was when I was 15. How can somebody so incompetent make a living off from writing?

    I don't mean to sound arrogant but I think I'm an excellent writer and it's something I'm very passionate about, something I hold up to everybody as a great discipline and art form. So it's almost insulting to me to see a hack make a living as a writer.

    I must say that I was taken aback with the lack of quality in Mr Walsh's earlier magnum opus, so whilst I don't think I could ever bring myself to read this book, i can see how you reached that view.
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    poor Michelle Cound, still no trident for her



    Froome can buy her a pitchfork and put her to work digging a hole for himself to hide in
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    Re: Dave Walsh - The Climb
    « Reply #39 on: June 07, 2014, 20:34 »
    More from Froome in today's Times

    Kenyan-born cyclist Chris Froome, 29, moved to Johannesburg at the age of 14, and went on to study economics at the city’s university. Last year he won the Tour de France, having picked up a bronze medal at the London Olympics in 2012. The Team Sky rider lives in Monaco with his fiancée, Michelle Cound.

    I am quite a timid person. But I don’t think that’s necessarily held me back. If anything, I’ve learnt to be expressive and communicative in other ways that don’t involve having to shout and be the loudest guy in the room. You don’t have to be like that to get the best out of the people around you. When I’m with my team-mates before we get to a race, we have an open discussion. “Guys, how are we going to do this?” I really enjoy those conversations.

    I’m glad my mum made me speak Swahili as well as English. In Kenya, broadly speaking, race is not an issue as much as it is in somewhere like South Africa, where the divisions are a lot stronger. But I think I was very fortunate to have grown up with a mother who encouraged me to see that. Not much in life gets handed to you on a plate. I’ve always been a firm believer in making your own opportunities.

    I’m tenacious and stubborn, and if I set my mind to something, I’ll make that my absolute focus and it will take over my life. Looking back at some of the things I did as an aspiring cyclist, it makes me laugh, the lengths I would go to. I emailed every single racing team in Europe with my CV and a paragraph about my motivation. If they were an Italian or French or Spanish team, I’d just run it through Google Translate. Looking back, they must have thought I was an absolute nut.

    Pain isn’t necessarily a bad thing. Don’t shy away from it. If you feel pain when you’re training, that’s good, because it means the race is going to feel easier.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if people thought I was a bit dull. To be honest, nine times out of ten, when I’m talking about a race, even I find it quite boring. Overnight success can take years. I’ve been labelled by a lot of people as somebody who just popped up out of nowhere in 2011. I came second in the Tour de France the following year, then won it the year after. But even as an 18-year-old in South Africa, that was my target.

    You can buy a mug with my face on it. It’s a bit strange. I’m very conscious that I’m in the limelight, especially since it’s only been the past couple of years that it’s really picked up. I was waved off the road by a policeman near Cape Town recently. I thought I’d done something wrong, but he just wanted a photograph with me. It was surreal. He was possibly abusing his powers a little bit there.

    Nothing brings clarity like being in nature. I was on a ride today in the mountains, and I didn’t see a car for hours. Just being up there has this calming effect. It clears your mind completely.

    My fiancée and I both really enjoy scuba diving, and I like to go spear-fishing as a hobby. I can’t imagine myself cooped up in an office.

    When I’m on the bike, that’s the business side of things. I probably do ride in an aggressive manner, and probably come across as if I’ve got blinkers on, or that I’m very cold. Off the bike, I’m very different. I’m quite a relaxed, laid-back guy. There’s really not a lot that will get me uptight.

    Cycling isn’t everything. What I am doing is at the top end of my sport, and it can be very intense and high-pressured. But at the end of the day, I think I do have the perspective to see that it is just sport.

    Chris Froome’s autobiography, The Climb, is published by Viking (£20)
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    So Froome can climb faster than just about anyone

    Has had Typhoid and Bazilla

    can do a bike fit better than Merckx

    His trainers at Sky are sh*t

    but still little Chris makes it what a story

    lucky I believe in miracles


    ;)

    Well, it would be very sad for you if you did not believe in miracles.
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    Re: Dave Walsh - The Climb
    « Reply #41 on: June 07, 2014, 22:49 »
    Did he really say "overnight success can take years"?!? :fp
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    Re: Dave Walsh - The Climb
    « Reply #42 on: June 07, 2014, 23:57 »
    Did he really say "overnight success can take years"?!? :fp

    Is a phrase like that oxymoronic? or perhaps it's just moronic.
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    Re: Dave Walsh - The Climb
    « Reply #43 on: June 08, 2014, 11:34 »
    Did he really say "overnight success can take years"?!? :fp
    I thought it was quite profound, but spoilt by not following up with something about the fine margins between success and failure blah blah.
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    Re: Dave Walsh - The Climb
    « Reply #44 on: June 08, 2014, 11:47 »
    So, we have two articles by David Walsh in the Sunday Times today.

    The first is the Brailsford/Team Sky side of the story. No TdF team chosen, Brailsford chooses it and Wiggins was wrong to speak to the BBC.

    The second is the Team Froome side of the story. Wiggins is a terrible team mate, he had a chance in the Vuelta but was horrible and cruel to Froome. Froome is by far the better team leader and communicator.

    It seems that the Walsh role of chief scribe to both Team Sky and Froome is conflicted and he runs the risk of upsetting both clients at this difficult moment.
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    Re: Dave Walsh - The Climb
    « Reply #45 on: June 08, 2014, 17:57 »
    Did he really say "overnight success can take years"?!? :fp

    It's a very common phrase to dismiss the "accusation", rather like saying that luck is the result of hard effort.  Think of it as shorthand for "I understand why it might look like overnight success to many people,but I know it to only coming about because of many years of dedication."
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    Re: Dave Walsh - The Climb
    « Reply #46 on: June 08, 2014, 19:23 »
    I'vwe been reading extracts from this book on another site, and you know something doesn't ring true about it, its the prose you see it doesn't somehow seem to be Froomish who's monosyllabic at best, its the constant petty spitefulness towards his rivals Contador and Quintana, and the remark about Greg Henderson and the guitar, but it was the bit about him and Porte doing extra training miles that did it, and suddenly the penny dropped that all along it was Michele Cound who wrote it for him with Walsh.
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    Re: Dave Walsh - The Climb
    « Reply #47 on: June 08, 2014, 22:29 »
    I've read through the whole book and I don't see what some people here said they have seen in snippets, e.g. regarding anything being 'spiteful' towards Contador. He did rip into Greg Henderson though, and Wiggins to a smaller extend. Otherwise I don't see anyone else significant that will be offended, not even Dave Brailsford.

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    Re: Dave Walsh - The Climb
    « Reply #48 on: June 09, 2014, 04:49 »
    I imagine this book is particularly popular in the UK because of the tidal wave of anti-European sentiment in that country recently. Nibali and Contador are the best their countries (and by extension, the European Union) have to offer and still, to Froome and his readers, they're nothing but lazy dago's who love coffee and siestas and shy away from real, hard work. Just like, or so the party line goes, their countrymen.

    What a disgusting, racist book.
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    Re: Dave Walsh - The Climb
    « Reply #49 on: June 09, 2014, 07:21 »
    I imagine this book is particularly popular in the UK because of the tidal wave of anti-European sentiment in that country recently. Nibali and Contador are the best their countries (and by extension, the European Union) have to offer and still, to Froome and his readers, they're nothing but lazy dago's who love coffee and siestas and shy away from real, hard work. Just like, or so the party line goes, their countrymen.

    What a disgusting, racist book.

    Did you actually read the book? There's nothing anti-European or racist in it, and there's nothing about Europeans being 'lazy dago's who love coffee and siestas and shy away from real, hard work'.
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    Re: Dave Walsh - The Climb
    « Reply #50 on: June 09, 2014, 08:45 »
    I've read through the whole book and I don't see what some people here said they have seen in snippets, e.g. regarding anything being 'spiteful' towards Contador. He did rip into Greg Henderson though, and Wiggins to a smaller extend. Otherwise I don't see anyone else significant that will be offended, not even Dave Brailsford.

    "How's that coffee, Alberto?" "Why don't you come after me, Alberto?" "You have to accelerate now, Alberto."

    Reminds me of someone. Reminds me of LANCE.
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    Re: Dave Walsh - The Climb
    « Reply #51 on: June 09, 2014, 08:49 »
    Did you actually read the book? There's nothing anti-European or racist in it, and there's nothing about Europeans being 'lazy dago's who love coffee and siestas and shy away from real, hard work'.

    Well he does say he imagines them drinking coffee with their amigos instead of training super hard, like himself. He doesn't say he thinks that's the case, but the book does imply they're a bunch of lazy "amigos".
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    Re: Dave Walsh - The Climb
    « Reply #52 on: June 09, 2014, 09:21 »
    Well he does say he imagines them drinking coffee with their amigos instead of training super hard, like himself. He doesn't say he thinks that's the case, but the book does imply they're a bunch of lazy "amigos".

    You are reading too much into it, Flo.

    I think he hopes that he has a training advantage over his competitors rather than any sort of reality.

    I think the stuff about not wanting to go to Saxo, because of their doping past is far more serious.

    But it seems like water of Bertie's back - he is far too strong for Froome/Cound to affect him mentally.
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    Re: Dave Walsh - The Climb
    « Reply #53 on: June 09, 2014, 11:05 »
    "How's that coffee, Alberto?" "Why don't you come after me, Alberto?" "You have to accelerate now, Alberto."

    Reminds me of someone. Reminds me of LANCE.

    Well he does say he imagines them drinking coffee with their amigos instead of training super hard, like himself. He doesn't say he thinks that's the case, but the book does imply they're a bunch of lazy "amigos".

    I did a search for "coffee", "drink", "amigos", "train" and I don't see anything about him imagining that his rivals are crazy. "How's the coffee Alberto" is in there but not the other two Alberto quotes. In the context of the few paragraphs around that quote, Froome was just psyching himself up to push harder while interval training, imagining that the rewards of the 20seconds of 700watts effort - causing the peloton to fragment behind him.

    As Keith said, you are reading too much into it, and I understand why you are doing this. You hate Froome and you would like to interpret anything and everything to put Froome in a bad light so that you can justify the hate to yourself. I don't have any problem with this if you keep it to yourself, but making stuff up about Froome is taking things too far and unfair to him.

    Froome is already unpopular enough as he is around here, there's no need to make stuff up to make him more unpopular, he seems to be doing pretty well doing that himself!

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    Re: Dave Walsh - The Climb
    « Reply #54 on: June 09, 2014, 11:15 »
    I did a search for "coffee", "drink", "amigos", "train" and I don't see anything about him imagining that his rivals are crazy.

    Not crazy, lazy.



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    "How's the coffee Alberto" is in there but not the other two Alberto quotes. In the context of the few paragraphs around that quote, Froome was just psyching himself up to push harder while interval training, imagining that the rewards of the 20seconds of 700watts effort - causing the peloton to fragment behind him.

    The other two I was paraphrasing:



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    As Keith said, you are reading too much into it, and I understand why you are doing this. You hate Froome and you would like to interpret anything and everything to put Froome in a bad light so that you can justify the hate to yourself. I don't have any problem with this if you keep it to yourself, but making stuff up about Froome is taking things too far and unfair to him.

    Froome is already unpopular enough as he is around here, there's no need to make stuff up to make him more unpopular, he seems to be doing pretty well doing that himself!

    Not making stuff up, my friend, unfortunately. :(
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    Re: Dave Walsh - The Climb
    « Reply #55 on: June 09, 2014, 11:28 »
    Not much in  that florry

    he is just saying he likes to think he trains harder  but then someone added some bs used the Spanish word for friends.

    If it was an english group he might have said mates, swedish kompis etc etc
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    Re: Dave Walsh - The Climb
    « Reply #56 on: June 09, 2014, 11:29 »
    Ok thanks, I've found the part about the three amigos. Strangely my previous search results don't find that part but searching for "chatting" found it.

    Again, you need to read the whole thing to get the context. He's not accusing the 'three amigos' of being lazy. It says right there that he hopes that's what they are doing, and right in the very next paragraph he says that he knows the reality is that they are training just as hard as he was, so he pushes himself to go even further.

    There's nothing deceitful in that unless you are deliberately reading it out of context to make stuff up about him.

    As for the second segment, I'm not sure what you see in there that you are unhappy with.
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    Re: Dave Walsh - The Climb
    « Reply #57 on: June 09, 2014, 11:33 »
    Ok thanks, I've found the part about the three amigos. Strangely my previous search results don't find that part but searching for "chatting" found it.

    Again, you need to read the whole thing to get the context. He's not accusing the 'three amigos' of being lazy. It says right there that he hopes that's what they are doing, and right in the very next paragraph he says that he knows the reality is that they are training just as hard as he was, so he pushes himself to go even further.

    There's nothing deceitful in that unless you are deliberately reading it out of context to make stuff up about him.

    As for the second segment, I'm not sure what you see in there that you are unhappy with.

    Second segment:

    the second part in italics. Spells P.R.I.C.K. to me just like 'how's that coffee, Alberto?"
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    Re: Dave Walsh - The Climb
    « Reply #58 on: June 09, 2014, 11:35 »
    Not much in  that florry

    he is just saying he likes to think he trains harder  but then someone added some bs used the Spanish word for friends.

    If it was an english group he might have said mates, swedish kompis etc etc

    Don't think there is much in it either but the overall tone + the "how's that coffee, Alberto?" comes across as very disrespectful to me.

    Like Hoggy said:

    "It's clear Alberto is a nice guy who chats to Froome and the book takes those snippets of conversation to turn Contador into an idiot or "amigo" who knows no better."

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    I guess different people will read different things into it but many people agree with me and I now dislike Froome even more, didn't like him at all before this but thought he was a nice guy, but he's dead to me now.
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    Re: Dave Walsh - The Climb
    « Reply #59 on: June 09, 2014, 11:39 »
    Perhaps Froome will be saying at the tour "How is the double expresso with Honey, Mr Contador" as Bertie beats Froome at every mountain top finish ;)
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