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News, politics, serious stuff (no religion!)
« on: January 25, 2012, 00:41 »
In view of the relatively small number of posters here at the moment, I think one catch-all 'serious' topic should do it. Can I please urge everyone to steer clear of religion though, that always leads to tears. Otherwise (and depending on what the boss thinks), have at it! God knows there's enough serious stuff to talk about for those who are so inclined.
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  • « Last Edit: February 17, 2012, 17:40 by L'arriviste »
    Rock On and keep the Faith

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    I'll start off with the most important story from my neighbourhood. The PML N government of Punjab (Pakistan) has pledged extra security to American businessman Mansoor Ijaz to give his statement in court. Ijaz had refused to enter Pakistan over security concerns after Rehman Malik has said that the star witness in the memo scandal would be investigated in the Benazir Bhutto assassination case, which is most likely to undermine Ijaz.

    Husain Haqqani, the former Pakistani envoy to the US, has filed an application to rescind Ijaz's right to make a statement in court. The application claim that the security fears are bogus.

    In this rot that this corrupt regime has got stuck in, the Tehreek e Insaf is now apparently the most popular party. It has been accused of being pro military because of the rise in popularity due to the memo scandal (when Imran Khan has only met Kayyani once) and being soft on terror due to his political negotiations stance and non military interference stance.

    In the end, it may be the corruption of the two main parties, the PPP and the PML N (which may form an alliance in the general election if the threat of the PTI's rising popularity remains) that could cost them the government. That said, if the likely alliance does happen, the PTI may unfortunately have to form an alliance with the MQM, which many Pakistanis are aware of but not too chuffed about.
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    Serious question, Ram - do you think that the corruption endemic in sub-continental politics will ever be defeated, or will it remain a permanent fixture of life. Do you think that Imran in power would make any difference to how things have always worked in Pakistan?
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    I don't think that it is endemic to just subbie politics but the economic profile of each of the countries makes corruption's effects pretty obvious.

    That said, the corruption in each of the countries is a massive problem and is accentuated in Pakistan, partly because of the Mr 10% President of the country. Will it ever be ended? That will not happen realistically but it could be reduced and India has just faced extremely large protests against corruption in 2011. Pakistan possibly is going through a similar process and hopefully metamorphosis, for both nations, to follow in the future.

    What will Imran's arrival, if he does indeed become PM, do for Pakistan? Hopefully his clean reputation can rub off and have a govt less tolerant towards corruption. However, it needs more than just the civilian govt to be "cleaner" as the other two major institutions in Pakistan also have a poor reputation as well. Even a reduction in corruption will make a huge difference for the population.

    I hope for a stable future for Pakistan, their stability i paramount for India's security situation and for constructive relations between the nations.
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  • « Last Edit: January 25, 2012, 13:01 by ramhasajammytrike »

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    Anyone (TFF?) like to hazard a guess who said this?
    Quote
    The selection of a Republican candidate for the presidency of this globalized and expansive empire is – and I mean this seriously – the greatest competition of idiocy and ignorance that has ever been.
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    http://lh3.ggpht.com/-PxrJOmof6VY/Tx...5B3%25255D.jpg

    http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-january-24-2012/indecision-2012---i-know-what-you-did-last-quarter

    edit - the pic I tried to post would not post ???

    edit 2 - the link to a Daily Show clip didn't post either - will now post without img button
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  • « Last Edit: January 26, 2012, 20:26 by Amsterhammer »

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    http://lh3.ggpht.com/-PxrJOmof6VY/Tx...5B3%25255D.jpg

    http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-january-24-2012/indecision-2012---i-know-what-you-did-last-quarter

    edit - the pic I tried to post would not post ???

    edit 2 - the link to a Daily Show clip didn't post either - will now post without img button

    The pic is not a valid link.. doesnt even work when you click it

    Not all videos will auto embed.

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  • « Last Edit: January 26, 2012, 21:06 by Admin »

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    Anyone (TFF?) like to hazard a guess who said this?

    Expansive evil empire? That must be Castro or Chavez!  8)
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    Expansive evil empire? That must be Castro or Chavez!  8)

    Fidel. ;)

    @ Cobblestones - Politics thread, check
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    Anyone (TFF?) like to hazard a guess who said this?

    Aww shucks. I posted the same quote over at CN today. I called it a very astute observation. When you take what Romney and Gingrich said during the debate and put it against this quote (won't spoil who wrote it), who's looking the most presidential?
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  • Those who do not move, do not notice their chains.

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    Aww shucks. I posted the same quote over at CN today. I called it a very astute observation. When you take what Romney and Gingrich said during the debate and put it against this quote (won't spoil who wrote it), who's looking the most presidential?

    Uh, it was already guessed and confirmed above, and I stole it from your post :-[
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    I'm no fan of Communists/Socialists, especially old washed-up oness like Fidel. But I honestly couldn't agree more with him on that quote. I mean there's a guy in the race who gets 15% who wants to go back to the freaking gold standard. Gingrich is getting the gold bug too. It's insane.
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  • « Last Edit: January 27, 2012, 00:26 by The Poster Formerly Known As Moondance »
    "The long run is a misleading guide to current affairs. In the long run we are all dead." - John Maynard Keynes, A Tract on Monetary Reform

    Amsterhammer

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    This is the pic that wouldn't post above - the proper url was way too long, so I went to Tiny, but it still won't post as an image. The link works.

    http://tinyurl.com/7xpz8wq
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    ...let the bells ring out and the banners fly...yes I know its too good to be true but I'm here...

    ...just wish I could crack some chamagne to celebrate but this is the digital internets and bubbly is so definitely analog...

    ...so congrats to the founders of this august venture, long may they prosper...

    ...glad....I could sneak past the security...errr....that they let me in....its nice and toasty here....

    Cheers

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    Expansive evil empire? That must be Castro or Chavez!  8)

    That would be pretty light by hugo's standards



    There was another epic one in nighttown caracas with huge crowds where he goes on about America being a whore and a pig etc etc, cant find it but its funny stuff.

    I'm no fan of Communists/Socialists, especially old washed-up oness like Fidel. But I honestly couldn't agree more with him on that quote. I mean there's a guy in the race who gets 15% who wants to go back to the freaking gold standard. Gingrich is getting the gold bug too. It's insane.

    Are people going to be giving points to Fidel when he says the Sky is blue?

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  • Despite the self-serving data benders and associated propaganda to the contrary, I am led to believe that there are pockets of organised, highly sophisticated dopers, even within 'new age' cycling teams. Personally, I don't accept that the 'dark era' has ended, it has just morphed into a new guise.

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    Mansoor Ijaz's plea to testify in a third country has been rejected by the Supreme Court. Off to Lahore then.
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    Did you see or read the State of the Union 2 days ago? Obama is such a tool... Dont know what is worst Demos or Reps...
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    Did you see or read the State of the Union 2 days ago? Obama is such a tool... Dont know what is worst Demos or Reps...

    He had to dumb down to reach all the Republitards in the audience. And they are definitely much worse...talking about the potential candidates now. Members of Congress are all idiots.
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    Try this one, Pink Slime!

    http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/01/26/mcdonalds-drops-use-of-pink-slime-in-u-s-meat/

    "On Thursday, McDonald’s USA announced it was discontinuing the use of ammonia hydroxide in its beef"

    Take it to the clinic! That was doping!  ;D ;D
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    ...let the bells ring out and the banners fly...yes I know its too good to be true but I'm here...

    ...just wish I could crack some chamagne to celebrate but this is the digital internets and bubbly is so definitely analog...

    ...so congrats to the founders of this august venture, long may they prosper...

    ...glad....I could sneak past the security...errr....that they let me in....its nice and toasty here....

    Cheers

    blutto

    I just saw the flawless victory you scored against ACF in the politics thread on the other forum. That was a fun read.
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    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/ML_IRAQ?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
    Associated Press


    BAGHDAD (AP) -- Iraqi officials say 26 people have been killed when a suicide bomber detonated an explosives-packed car in southeastern Baghdad.

    Police officials said the attack occurred at 11:00 a.m. on Friday in Baghdad's predominantly Shiite neighborhood of Zafaraniyah. They say 53 people were wounded in the attack.

    Hospital officials confirmed the death toll.

    All officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to release the information.

    Insurgents have stepped up violence in Iraq since U.S. military withdrawal last month. More than 200 people have been killed since the beginning of the year.
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  • « Last Edit: January 27, 2012, 09:27 by Zam_zam »

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    Another day....

    Sad news that.
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    I just saw the flawless victory you scored against ACF in the politics thread on the other forum. That was a fun read.

    Yes indeed, it sure was! :P
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    Insurgents have stepped up violence in Iraq since U.S. military withdrawal last month. More than 200 people have been killed since the beginning of the year.

    We all knew that that was going to happen... US destroy and killed so many things and ppl just to generate more violence...
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    I just saw the flawless victory you scored against ACF in the politics thread on the other forum. That was a fun read.

    ...why thank you....thank you very much...and btw that was probably something of a swan song there...will try to concentrate most of my energies here ...

    ...that being said, lets play...

    ...we are facing disasterous situations on several fronts...there is the European crisis which is being handled in a manner not unlike the aftermath of the Lehman Bros/ AIG based disaster ( huge amounts of money to saving backs and none to productive activities )...the Iranian situation is unfolding like another chapter of the Iraqi quagmire ( on the surface a conflict over a nuclear issue but more likely over an attack on America's weakest flank, its currency )...and just to top it off we have a US election coming up that  shows us that the most powerful country in the world is hurtling toward oblivion because it has no real leadership ( and none on the horizon since all candidates are either well below standard or corrupted beyond redemption )...

    ...would eventually love to elicit comments and have discussions on all those topics but would like to start by asking The Right Honorable Mr. R...trike what are the general views on the Iranian issue in his neck of the woods...but that does not necessarily preclude input from anyone else who wants to jump in ( Mr R...trike being in a different time-zone and all )...

    Cheers

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    Obama.. Ya like him?  Ya don't?
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    I just saw the flawless victory you scored against ACF in the politics thread on the other forum. That was a fun read.

    interest topic though, prompted me to make my first ever post on the politics thread. not just to disagree with ACF either
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    Obama.. Ya like him?  Ya don't?


    ...nah....while I admit I had had hopes ( faint ones but hopes none the less ) it seems he is a denizen of the same corrupt swamp as everybody else and acts accordingly...though maybe acting at the behest of some slightly different masters...

    ...I do agree with a point you made in another thread, on another forum far far away, that the big problem with US politics is corruption...both within the political sphere and also in other important circles within the culture ( with media being probably being the most important )...

    ...and is there anyone around that is more capable...short answer...no...they all live in the same swamp...fed by the same nutrient...money...

    Cheers

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    ...nah....while I admit I had had hopes ( faint ones but hopes none the less ) it seems he is a denizen of the same corrupt swamp as everybody else and acts accordingly...though maybe acting at the behest of some slightly different masters...

    ...I do agree with a point you made in another thread, on another forum far far away, that the big problem with US politics is corruption...both within the political sphere and also in other important circles within the culture ( with media being probably being the most important )...

    ...and is there anyone around that is more capable...short answer...no...they all live in the same swamp...fed by the same nutrient...money...

    Cheers

    blutto

    Its interesting. in Africa we sit bemoaning the corrupt politicians and hoping that if we could just get rid of the money grabbing evil SOBs in charge the country can progress. But appears that no matter how much they progress the corruption remains.

    is a simple fact that when the amount of money you can raise is probably the single largest factor in your success in an election no one is goingt o manage to make the top job without being tainted in someway
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