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Re: News, politics, serious stuff (no religion!)
« Reply #60 on: February 02, 2012, 06:16 »
today's new issue, relates to religion slightly, sorry, but is more based on the pathetic nature of small parties having too much influence.

My sons school has been part of trial in NSW to teach ethics to kids that opt out of religious education. has been a big success with the year 5 and 6 kids over the last year. So in the past kids that did not want to the R.E. class had private study time. Now they have an ethics teacher, set questions, they get to debate topics etc.

NSW government is now trying to put an end to this. The reason being that the Christian democrats party hold a couple of seats in NSW government. Because the Government has a small majority they need those votes to get other controversial matters through. The Christian democrats do not think ethics should be taught in schools, despite the trial showing that there was no drop off in students taking R.E., just a move from students doing nothing to students doing Ethics. But the Christian democrats think ethics should not be taught outside of a religious (read christian) framework, so it is better for the kids to learn nothing than be taught outside that framework

the stupid thing is this tiny party, with a very skewed agenda who were voted for by very few parties now gets their way because of the ridiculous nature of state politics.

makes me angry. apologies for mentioning religion in a thread where it is banned but the religious aspect is not my issue. it is the pandering to the agenda of a small party

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    Re: News, politics, serious stuff (no religion!)
    « Reply #61 on: February 02, 2012, 09:58 »
    Jon Stewart is a good place to start!  ;)

    I'll be happy to give you my thumbnail sketches, though Scott might come in and disagree.

    Realistically, the nomination for Republican challenger to Obama in November can only be between Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich. The other two remaining contenders, Ron Paul and Rick Santorum, swear that they will continue through the primaries up to the Republican convention (in August, I believe). They have no chance, unless some unimaginable miracle takes place.

    Romney - ex-governor, filthy rich, earned a lot of his money by dubious business practices. By today's standards he is a relatively 'liberal' Republican, though he has hardened his views in order to increase appeal to conservative Reps. You can't be 'conservative' enough for Rep. voters in 2012.

    Gingrich - ex-speaker of the House, a man who was drummed out of office by a bi-partisan committee during Clinton's second term for various unsavory and unethical practices. He claims to be the only true, and electable conservative in the race. He is a sneak, aworm, and a liar.

    Paul - a libertarian nutcase who is unelectable. His few good ideas (withdraw troops, stop fighting foreign wars) are counter-balanced by a plethora of lunatic positions on health, social security, rights of aliens, gay marriage, states rights.

    Santorum - a catholic, religious and social conservative senator from Pennsylvania, who is probably the most extremely conservative one of all. He is also unelectable.

    My personal preference is for Gingrich as candidate, for one simple reason. Romney is much of a muchness with Obama. Gingrich is a real contrast to the President. Moreover, with Gingrich as candidate, I am absolutely convinced that many moderates and independents among the electorate will get up and vote on the day, which they may well not do with Romney as candidate.

    I guess it's clear that I see the sitting President as by far the lesser of two evils, even though he has been a great disappointment to me and millions of others who voted for him in 08.

    thanks for that. saw some of the stuff about Romney and his money on Daily show yesterday.
    Main issue i had with Gingrich was the stuff i heard recently about some of his racial opinions.



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    Re: News, politics, serious stuff (no religion!)
    « Reply #62 on: February 02, 2012, 14:51 »
    today's new issue, relates to religion slightly, sorry, but is more based on the pathetic nature of small parties having too much influence.

    My sons school has been part of trial in NSW to teach ethics to kids that opt out of religious education. has been a big success with the year 5 and 6 kids over the last year. So in the past kids that did not want to the R.E. class had private study time. Now they have an ethics teacher, set questions, they get to debate topics etc.

    NSW government is now trying to put an end to this. The reason being that the Christian democrats party hold a couple of seats in NSW government. Because the Government has a small majority they need those votes to get other controversial matters through. The Christian democrats do not think ethics should be taught in schools, despite the trial showing that there was no drop off in students taking R.E., just a move from students doing nothing to students doing Ethics. But the Christian democrats think ethics should not be taught outside of a religious (read christian) framework.

    the stupid thing is this tiny party, with a very skewed agenda who were voted for by very few parties now gets their way because of the ridiculous nature of state politics.

    makes me angry. apologies for mentioning religion in a thread where it is banned but the religious aspect is not my issue. it is the pandering to the agenda of a small party

    ...very interesting post for both the content and the religion issue it brings to the fore...as in the way this forum has been set up regarding discussion of religious topics...

    ...while I whole-heartedly agree with the ban on discussions dealing specifically with religion the forum stance may have to be modified somewhat because the US election, as an example, which may soon become a major issue very soon, is more than a little tinged with religion...and then there will be other discussions focused on other regions, that while they may be primarily politically based, will of necessity involve talking about religious issues that inform the political climate...

    ...so I guess the question is how are we going to handle those gray areas ???...

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    Re: News, politics, serious stuff (no religion!)
    « Reply #63 on: February 02, 2012, 15:03 »
    122 2G licenses have been cancelled here.
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    Re: News, politics, serious stuff (no religion!)
    « Reply #64 on: February 02, 2012, 15:10 »
    ...very interesting post for both the content and the religion issue it brings to the fore...as in the way this forum has been set up regarding discussion of religious topics...

    ...while I whole-heartedly agree with the ban on discussions dealing specifically with religion the forum stance may have to be modified somewhat because the US election, as an example, which may soon become a major issue very soon, is more than a little tinged with religion...and then there will be other discussions focused on other regions, that while they may be primarily politically based, will of necessity involve talking about religious issues that inform the political climate...

    ...so I guess the question is how are we going to handle those gray areas ???...

    Cheers

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    As the OP, I would say that we treat religious aspects of the election with common sense and restraint. Yes, Mitt is a Mormon and Santorum a Catholic, but that should not unduly affect our discussion of issues. Anybody who's been around the webz for a while knows that actually discussing religion itself and people's beliefs, invariably leads to trouble. That is what I'm sure we all want to avoid.

    So, I'd say (and I'm just the OP, not a mod) that we should be ok as long as we use basic common sense and no one actually 'attacks' anyone else for their views or their religion. I'll keep a close eye on things here in any case. ;)
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    Re: News, politics, serious stuff (no religion!)
    « Reply #65 on: February 02, 2012, 21:53 »
    As the OP, I would say that we treat religious aspects of the election with common sense and restraint. Yes, Mitt is a Mormon and Santorum a Catholic, but that should not unduly affect our discussion of issues. Anybody who's been around the webz for a while knows that actually discussing religion itself and people's beliefs, invariably leads to trouble. That is what I'm sure we all want to avoid.

    So, I'd say (and I'm just the OP, not a mod) that we should be ok as long as we use basic common sense and no one actually 'attacks' anyone else for their views or their religion. I'll keep a close eye on things here in any case. ;)

    Should work, i realised half way through my post that i started including my opinions on religion and the Christian democrats in general and backed off, including the apologies.
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    Re: News, politics, serious stuff (no religion!)
    « Reply #67 on: February 03, 2012, 15:16 »
    So the clown show is in full swing again with 'the Donald' endorsing Mitt. That's cold. Remember, Gingrich was the only of the remaining candidates who took 'the Donald' seriously last year. He even agreed to the debate. I guess Newt just got 'fired'. So with Mitt getting the endorsement of 'the Donald', the 'I'm not a witch' bimbo, he only needs the one of Nevada's 'pay your doctor with chicken' lady to complete the trifecta of stupidity. Any news from that corner?
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    Re: News, politics, serious stuff (no religion!)
    « Reply #68 on: February 04, 2012, 01:33 »
    If the current jobs trend continues - 243k new ones in Jan. - Obama will have the election sewn up.

    As for all the shenanigans on the other side, I'm kind of observing from a distance and crossing my fingers that maybe somehow, by some miracle, the repulsive little Newt will become the challenger. If so, it really will be in the bag for Obama. Yes, he's been a serious disappointment to all those of us who naively hoped for more in the way of 'change'. But at the end of the day, any of the potential challengers are totally unacceptable to me, so it's back to the old 'lesser of two evils'.

    Which is not how politics should work.
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    Re: News, politics, serious stuff (no religion!)
    « Reply #70 on: February 04, 2012, 18:07 »
    If the current jobs trend continues - 243k new ones in Jan. - Obama will have the election sewn up.

    As for all the shenanigans on the other side, I'm kind of observing from a distance and crossing my fingers that maybe somehow, by some miracle, the repulsive little Newt will become the challenger. If so, it really will be in the bag for Obama. Yes, he's been a serious disappointment to all those of us who naively hoped for more in the way of 'change'. But at the end of the day, any of the potential challengers are totally unacceptable to me, so it's back to the old 'lesser of two evils'.

    Which is not how politics should work.

    ...that is one view...but it is one that doesn't force Obama to change a thing...the other way to do it is to have Romney run...that way Obama may be forced to move to the left or at the very least cut a position that has some difference...

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    « Reply #71 on: February 04, 2012, 19:24 »
    I'm no fan of Communists/Socialists, especially old washed-up oness like Fidel. But I honestly couldn't agree more with him on that quote. I mean there's a guy in the race who gets 15% who wants to go back to the freaking gold standard. Gingrich is getting the gold bug too. It's insane.

    Do you think debt based fiat money has a great future?
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    « Reply #72 on: February 05, 2012, 02:53 »
    ...that is one view...but it is one that doesn't force Obama to change a thing...the other way to do it is to have Romney run...that way Obama may be forced to move to the left or at the very least cut a position that has some difference...

    Cheers

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    My fear is that if Romney is tweedledee, many of the 'undecided', 'moderate', 'independent' voters will not bother because they've already got tweedledum. But, I reckon many of these will get off their arses to vote against the appalling Newt.

    imho
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    Re: News, politics, serious stuff (no religion!)
    « Reply #73 on: February 05, 2012, 08:40 »
    http://www.stratfor.com/analysis/syrian-rebels-supply-lines

    in the wake of yesterday’s security council veto on syria, it is interesting to see the undercurrents that never splash to the pages of main stream media.

    the linked article points to lebanon battleground, where the syrian armed resistance is fed from. i previously only read about turkey's controversial role. turkey is officially strongly anti-syrian regime and pro-iranian - assad's strongest ally. the middle east politics are truly mind bungling.
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    Re: News, politics, serious stuff (no religion!)
    « Reply #74 on: February 07, 2012, 15:12 »
    NSFW
    Why the middle east is in deep sh*t

    Fixed after discovering swear filter.
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    Re: News, politics, serious stuff (no religion!)
    « Reply #75 on: February 08, 2012, 03:04 »
    Maldivian President Mohammad Nasheed forced to resign after police 'mutiny'
    http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/article2868662.ece?homepage=true
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    « Reply #76 on: February 08, 2012, 12:58 »
    ...seems Iran and its oil exports will not be as affected as Western leaders had hoped....and if the confrontation is really about a possible attack on the primacy of the US dollar as the go-to world trade currency it seems that Iran may have scored a direct hit...

    http://www.thehindu.com/business/Economy/article2869579.ece

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    « Reply #77 on: February 08, 2012, 13:16 »
    Thanks blutto. I missed that, what with the 2g scam judgments coming out and elections in the past few days.

    So rupees it is, and good news as well. UCO bank (pronounced yuco for some reason) will be the happiest with this deal.
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    « Reply #78 on: February 08, 2012, 17:48 »
    ...things got decidedly weird in the GOP primary thingee...methinks there will much blood on the floor before this is over...all Obama has to do if this continues is to keep maintaining a pulse...

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/santorum-poised-for-breakthrough-in-three-states-contests/2012/02/07/gIQAoE3bxQ_story.html

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    « Reply #79 on: February 08, 2012, 17:49 »
    Thanks blutto. I missed that, what with the 2g scam judgments coming out and elections in the past few days.

    So rupees it is, and good news as well. UCO bank (pronounced yuco for some reason) will be the happiest with this deal.

    ...2g scam???...pray tell!!!

    Cheers

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    « Reply #80 on: February 08, 2012, 18:08 »
    It's beyond convoluted and the conservative estimates put the losses for the Indian govt at a few billion (yes 1000 million!) dollars. One estimate, by the Comptroller and Auditor General of India, specified the amount as Rs 1.76 lakh crore (amounts to an astonishing $39 billion $39,000 million). The judgment says somewhere around Rs50,000 crore (around $10 billion).

    In a nutshell, what happened is that 2G spectrums had to be sold and the govt had a flawed first come first serve basis and the telecom minister had more than his share of shady deals with some of the biggest Indian companies and sold the spectra at rates well below the 2008 market rate.

    It's so convoluted that it brought out the darkest underbelly of India's, and more specifically Tamil Nadu's, politics. Explaining all the nitty gritties of this scam would take hours and many pages, wikipedia is a decent start for finding sources for this.

    Anyway, what happened in the past week is that the Supreme court decided that the sold licenses (those that were in court, not all licenses) were illegal and have annulled 122 2G licenses. I really couldn't be arsed by much other than that and the other potential individuals involved in it.

    Quote from: judgment
    1.The licences granted to the private respondents and subsequent allocation of spectrum to the licensees are declared illegal and are quashed.

    2.The above direction shall become operative after four months.

    3. TRAI shall make fresh recommendations for grant of licence and allocation of spectrum in 2G band in 22 Service Areas by auction

    4. Respondent Nos.2, 3 and 9 who have been benefited at the cost of Public Exchequer by a wholly arbitrary and unconstitutional action taken by the DoT for grant of UAS Licences and allocation of spectrum in 2G band and who offloaded their stakes for many thousand crores in the name of fresh infusion of equity or transfer of equity shall pay cost of Rs.5 crores each.

    5. Respondent Nos. 4, 6, 7 and 10 shall pay cost of Rs.50 lakhs each because they too had been benefited by the wholly arbitrary and unconstitutional exercise undertaken by the DoT for grant of UAS Licences and allocation of spectrum in 2G band.

    I haven't read the whole judgment but the party, the DMK, is in the sh!t to put it softly.
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    « Reply #81 on: February 08, 2012, 19:01 »
    It's beyond convoluted and the conservative estimates put the losses for the Indian govt at a few billion (yes 1000 million!) dollars. One estimate, by the Comptroller and Auditor General of India, specified the amount as Rs 1.76 lakh crore (amounts to an astonishing $39 billion $39,000 million). The judgment says somewhere around Rs50,000 crore (around $10 billion).

    In a nutshell, what happened is that 2G spectrums had to be sold and the govt had a flawed first come first serve basis and the telecom minister had more than his share of shady deals with some of the biggest Indian companies and sold the spectra at rates well below the 2008 market rate.

    It's so convoluted that it brought out the darkest underbelly of India's, and more specifically Tamil Nadu's, politics. Explaining all the nitty gritties of this scam would take hours and many pages, wikipedia is a decent start for finding sources for this.

    Anyway, what happened in the past week is that the Supreme court decided that the sold licenses (those that were in court, not all licenses) were illegal and have annulled 122 2G licenses. I really couldn't be arsed by much other than that and the other potential individuals involved in it.

    I haven't read the whole judgment but the party, the DMK, is in the sh!t to put it softly.

    ...oooh that smells to high heaven !!!!...I guess the good bit is something is being done...though from what you are saying the situation still has a good chance of going south???...

    Cheers

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    Re: News, politics, serious stuff (no religion!)
    « Reply #82 on: February 08, 2012, 19:25 »
    I'll have to point out that the bribes involved in this scam wouldn't be unimaginable, these losses are indirect losses in that no real money has been lost per se, but the money which the govt should have received with the sale of the licenses has not arrived, thereby causing losses to the govt for the sale of a resource (in this case the spectrum).

    Going south? Hopefully not. I don't think it will, the worst may have been identified and without further evidence there's no way to follow cases against other companies. This scam has caused a massive outburst against corruption here, which hopefully (though not realistically) can enlighten the politicians and equally importantly industrialists (who fund the corruption) that they're not immune. At least a 4G scam is unlikely to happen.

    What I meant by the underbelly is the cosiness of the politicians towards the business and industrialist folk.
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    « Reply #83 on: February 13, 2012, 10:39 »
    Did any of the aussies watch Four Corners tonight? All I learnt was that Alan Griffin ate noodles on "Rudd backstabbing evening" and Joe de Bruyn didn't have a clue what was going on. ;D
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    « Reply #84 on: February 13, 2012, 11:02 »
    Did any of the aussies watch Four Corners tonight? All I learnt was that Alan Griffin ate noodles on "Rudd backstabbing evening" and Joe de Bruyn didn't have a clue what was going on. ;D
    No idea whats going on there but here is something that may be related...

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    « Reply #85 on: February 13, 2012, 11:09 »
    No idea whats going on there but here is something that may be related...

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    Yes it is. ;D Basically Four Corners is a Current Affair show on the ABC (Australian Broadcast Commission) which did a story on the fall of former Aus PM, Kevin Rudd and the rising of current PM, Julia Gillard where the factions of the Labor Party openly talked about what happened. A few little interesting facts but nothing majorly interesting. Anyway my former MP, Alan Griffin's, one line for the night was about how he had some noodles and rung some people up. Very interesting! :P
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    « Reply #86 on: February 13, 2012, 11:21 »
    Yes it is. ;D Basically Four Corners is a Current Affair on the ABC (Australian Broadcast Commission) show which did a story on the fall of former Aus PM, Kevin Rudd and the rising of current PM, Julia Gillard where the factions of the Labor Party openly talked about what happened. A few little interesting facts but nothing majorly interesting. Anyway my former MP, Alan Griffin's, one line for the night was about how he had some noodles and rung some people up. Very interesting! :P
    He's your former MP too? Interesting........!
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    « Reply #87 on: February 13, 2012, 11:34 »
    .
    He's your former MP too? Interesting........!
    Yes but I never got the chance to vote him out even though he is in a relatively safe seat. As you and many others have worked out, I am somewhat of a conservative so I wouldn't vote for Alan. ;)
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    « Reply #88 on: February 13, 2012, 11:36 »
    .Yes but I never got the chance to vote him out even though he is in a relatively safe seat. As you and many others have worked out, I am somewhat of a conservative so I wouldn't vote for Alan. ;)
    True story: the polling booth I was advertising for caused the biggest Liberal swing in that elecrotate in that election... which one I cant remember. still didn work
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    « Reply #89 on: February 13, 2012, 11:37 »
    Bomb scare at Schiphol, terminals 1 and 2 have been cleared........
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