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Re: Sky
« Reply #2010 on: November 18, 2017, 08:45 »
BBC2 showing a documentary tomorrow all about team zero-tolerance (sunday)
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    Re: Sky
    « Reply #2011 on: November 19, 2017, 00:14 »
    Ahhhh. A sigh of relief. FINALLY, something that feels like honest transparency:

    Sutton admits use of TUEs for marginal gains

    It may have been within the rules, but it was, at it's core, dishonest, disingenuous, and a cheat. Too bad.
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    Re: Sky
    « Reply #2013 on: February 12, 2018, 12:26 »
    http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/former-team-sky-doctor-lifts-the-lid-on-teams-medical-practices-and-grey-areas/

    Former Team Sky doctor speaks to Cyclingnews.

    If this truly lifts the lid on Sky, then the contaminated contents have already bolted from the stable. Or something. :D

    2,500 words of warm, train compartment air that serve Bartalucci in buffing his slightly scuffed reputation but absolutely no other purpose.

    Normally I don't have a harsh word to say about Farrand - except perhaps for his spellchecking - but this is a bafflement that adds nothing to the already bloated narrative around Sky.

    I feel like he wrote this story in November and Benson held it back for some reason and, perhaps due to a clerical error or a quarterly lapse of common sense, only put it out now.
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    Re: Sky
    « Reply #2014 on: February 12, 2018, 14:17 »
    http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/former-team-sky-doctor-lifts-the-lid-on-teams-medical-practices-and-grey-areas/

    Former Team Sky doctor speaks to Cyclingnews.

    Is this what we'll be getting all the time now. Spamming the forum with links to your new employers site?  ;)

    How much of what he has revealed in this interview is actually new?
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    Re: Sky
    « Reply #2015 on: February 12, 2018, 14:45 »
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    Is this what we'll be getting all the time now. Spamming the forum with links to your new employers site?
    :D :s :angry :P :lol :angel :-x :( ;) :S :shh :) :cool :o
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    Re: Sky
    « Reply #2016 on: February 12, 2018, 16:12 »
    Is this what we'll be getting all the time now. Spamming the forum with links to your new employers site?  ;)
    Of course. Nothing else! :lol

    How much of what he has revealed in this interview is actually new?
    Nothing new, really. But (further) confirmation of what many suspected/knew all along.
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    Re: Sky
    « Reply #2018 on: March 02, 2018, 08:13 »
    There's no news like old news.

    This bombshell exclusive was heard by all who listened to Nicole Sapstead's report to the CMS, last March. :lol
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    Re: Sky
    « Reply #2019 on: March 02, 2018, 08:21 »
    There's no news like old news.

    This bombshell exclusive was heard by all who listened to Nicole Sapstead's report to the CMS, last March. :lol


    Not the company saying there was an email asking them to say it is a mistake was it?

    The next step is a track rider getting thrown under the bus to protect Sky
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    Re: Sky
    « Reply #2020 on: March 03, 2018, 17:13 »
    There's no news like old news.

    This bombshell exclusive was heard by all who listened to Nicole Sapstead's report to the CMS, last March. :lol
    My recollection of the evidence of our sacred leader in the fight for justice on the playing fields of our green islands, is a little bit shaky, its been a few months, but can you help me out a little here.  I just need you to point out the line in  Sapstead's evidence where she says that, entirely contrary to what she was told by BC, the supplier did in fact have an order from the Manchester velodrome.   Also I did not quite remember her ever saying that when they had so diligently inquired of the supplier, the supplier had co-operated, as you must do with such an august body, particularly when they ask in such a polite way, even if legally you can ignore anything because legislatively they have an armoury made up of one feather duster and one partly eaten marsh-mallow, and the supplier identified that later, after they had fulfilled the order as requested, what they hell, they then had a request from a person at the National Cycling Centre advising them to send in a bogus email stating that the testosterone patches had been sent in by mistake.  And of course being good honest citizens with all their licences for selling controlled substances in good order they diligently brought this to the attention of Ms Sapstead and her high-riding, clan-busting, posse of truth-hunters.

    I do remember Sapstead saying that she had oh so nice a conversation with that oh so nice person who wrote that book, the chimpmeister himself.  She told us that the boss, Peters, was so on the ball that he spotted this big box of PEDs in the medical room one day, as you do and thought, "I wonder who that is for?" and so he insisted that it be put on the record that he asked that very nice guy, the one who lost his laptop, Freeman, who told him, "you have seen it as well !"  And then Freeman said he would find out why it was there and then later Peters said he was shown a very nice email printed out clearly in nice ink on a very clean sheet of paper that said "ooopppppise.  That was our mistake.  We just happened to send a very, very, very large box of PED patches to you by error.  Can you please let us have them back?" 

    And the chimpmeister, who had worked with Shane Sutton and Sir Dave Braislford for a long time and so knows his onions on this sort of thing said "Oh that is great. Now I can get on with other stuff like asking my chimp if he likes this jumper I am wearing."

    Mellow.  If you don't read the article or understand the context, why do you post ?   
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    Re: Sky
    « Reply #2021 on: March 05, 2018, 00:22 »
    Well.

    I guess it's official now, is it? Brailsford has been painted with the Armstrong brush, eh?

    http://www.velonews.com/2018/03/news/uk-government-report-skys-anti-doping-was-inexcusable-and-unprofessional_458694
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    the team appears to have used drugs for performance enhancement, not therapy: “… Contrary to the testimony of David Brailsford in front of the Committee, we believe that drugs were being used by Team Sky, within the WADA rules, to enhance the performance of riders, and not just to treat medical need.”
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    report added that “the use of Tramadol would not appear to be only in rare cases where extreme pain has been caused by injury, but rather as part of the pre-race preparation for certain riders.”
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    Re: Sky
    « Reply #2022 on: March 05, 2018, 01:03 »
    Awesome headlines.  Those stories about fluffing pillows don't look quite so good now.

    And to think - there were times when Sir Bradley only had to worry about old men at the Tour

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2007/jul/29/cycling.tourdefrance1

    Tour ruined by old guys who think doping is normal
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    Re: Sky
    « Reply #2024 on: March 05, 2018, 11:11 »
    Well now, what else can you say when it has all been said?

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/select-committees-report-darkens-clouds-over-team-sky-and-brailsford/

    In summary:

    The Select Committee considered in its report that Wiggins and possibly teammates used controlled substances for non-medical purposes or, in other words, for performance enhancing purposes. Team Sky and Wiggins separately stated that they did not agree with this conclusion.

    For all the usual journo waffle, I have not seen the outcome expressed more succinctly than by these two tweets (except perhaps for the very last sentence, which remains to be seen):

    https://twitter.com/irishpeloton/status/970579299676893184

    https://twitter.com/irishpeloton/status/970580155495272449
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    Re: Sky
    « Reply #2025 on: March 05, 2018, 14:00 »
    Hello all - I have emerged from my winter hibernation.

    The British papers have gone IN on Wiggins and Team Sky. They have kept fairly quiet about the Chris Froome situation, by their standards, so was curious to see what the reaction would be. Here's an Echoes-style round-up for you all.

    From the Daily Telegraph:
    "Latest allegations at Team Sky are surely end of the road for Sir Dave Brailsford" https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cycling/2018/03/05/latest-allegations-team-sky-surely-end-road-sir-dave-brailsford/
    AND
    "Sir Bradley Wiggins and Team Sky facing new doping claims as former coach says steroid use 'unethical'"
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cycling/2018/03/05/sir-bradley-wiggins-team-sky-facing-new-doping-claims-former/

    The Daily Mirror leads with its former editor and transatlantic nuisance Piers Morgan piling on:
    "Piers Morgan launches furious attack on 'cheat' Sir Bradley Wiggins after cyclist is accused of using drugs to win Tour de France" https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/other-sports/piers-morgan-calls-sir-bradley-12128808

    The Daily Mail calls Brailsford's position into question, but still manage to refer to the pair as 'Sir Dave Brailsford' and 'Sir Bradley Wiggins' throughout:
    "Wiggins bombshell: Shamed cycling star DID take drug to win Tour de France as Brailsford faces axe over 'unethical' claims" http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-5461325/Sir-Bradley-Wiggins-DID-drug-win-2012-Tour-France.html

    Most of the others were leading with their news, for the Sun it's a little further down the homepage:
    WIGGO DOPING SHOCK - Bradley Wiggins WAS given asthma drug to boost performance, finds report
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5723702/report-team-sky-sir-bradley-wiggins-doping/

    The Times opts for:
    After this damning report, Brailsford has to step down
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/sport/sir-dave-brailsford-has-to-go-after-damning-report-into-doping-in-sport-zl9b5fx9d
    AND
    Wiggins accused by MPs
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/sport/sir-bradley-wiggins-accused-by-mps-of-using-medical-exemptions-to-take-banned-drugs-ld90x7l97

    From the Express:
    "Bradley Wiggins DID take drugs to win the Tour de France and 'crossed an ethical line'"
    https://www.express.co.uk/sport/othersport/927213/Bradley-Wiggins-performance-enhancing-drugs-Team-Sky

    And lastly from the Guardian:
    "Remarkable drugs report shatters Team Sky illusion of integrity
    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/mar/05/team-sky-report-david-brailsford-inquiry"
    AND
    "TUEs may have been the tip of an iceberg at Team Sky"
    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/mar/05/team-sky-dcms-report-bradley-wiggins
    AND
    "Wiggins and Team Sky accused in damning drugs report"
    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/mar/05/bradley-wiggins-and-team-sky-accused-drugs-in-damning-report
    AND
    "Team Sky will ‘ruin you’, Wiggins warns young riders"
    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/feb/21/bradley-wiggins-young-cyclists-team-sky-will-ruin-you

    Pretty much unanimous. Not a single article that I could see looking to stand up for anyone at Sky, widespread consensus that the rot went to the top and mostly fairly prominent placing.
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    Re: Sky
    « Reply #2026 on: March 05, 2018, 18:50 »

    Wiggins refutes allegations and suggests witch hunt

    http://www.bbc.com/sport/cycling/43293645



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    Re: Sky
    « Reply #2027 on: March 05, 2018, 19:07 »
    Oh come on Wiggins, you can't magic your way to the top of the GC on an ITT-bike like this



    and then complain when folk start to look for witches. All the more when they subsequentually actually find one. Or two.
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    Re: Sky
    « Reply #2028 on: March 05, 2018, 19:21 »
    I was looking through this thread for something brilliantly written I read long ago, but it's a freaking 68 pages now and I can't find it. However, one thing I noticed was this post
    http://velorooms.com/index.php?topic=636.msg2226394#msg2226394
    When first I read it I thought it was recently posted before I realized how much of this was mostly out in the public a whole year ago - it is an old post.  :S
    Now if only I can find what I was looking for .....
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    Re: Sky
    « Reply #2029 on: March 05, 2018, 19:25 »
    I was looking through this thread for something brilliantly written I read long ago, but it's a freaking 68 pages now and I can't find it. However, one thing I noticed was this post
    http://velorooms.com/index.php?topic=636.msg2226394#msg2226394
    When first I read it I thought it was recently posted before I realized how much of this was mostly out in the public a whole year ago - it is an old post.  :S
    Now if only I can find what I was looking for .....

    It's true that it is, in some sense, all old news. All we had today in the media were the delayed reactions to it. But the report itself makes for interesting reading if only for the raw details.
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    Re: Sky
    « Reply #2030 on: March 05, 2018, 21:20 »
    The whistlerblower stuff is interesting we will get more details soon
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    Re: Sky
    « Reply #2031 on: March 06, 2018, 13:42 »
    It's true that it is, in some sense, all old news. All we had today in the media were the delayed reactions to it. But the report itself makes for interesting reading if only for the raw details.
    That was a useful article to bring back up. IMO, what the report does is to take things out of the realm of "he said / he said", put a big "VALIDATED" stamp on it, then wrap it up for all and sundry.

    Which is a valuable service.
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    Re: Sky
    « Reply #2032 on: March 06, 2018, 13:49 »
    Wiggins refutes allegations and suggests witch hunt

    http://www.bbc.com/sport/cycling/43293645
    Witch hunt! Damn, now where have I heard THAT before? Jeez, what a tone-deaf reply. But then, Sir Wiggins has never been all that grand as a public speaker, eh?

    But, you know, I can believe Bradley believes what he says. It may have all the earmarks of self-delusion in the face of evidence, but I think he is convinced he's speaking truth.
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    Re: Sky
    « Reply #2034 on: July 10, 2018, 13:26 »
    Love this tongue-in-cheek byplay in the CN live text coverage of today's TdF stage.

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    Lappartient, meanwhile, has responded to Brailsford's criticism at the start in La Baule today. “I don’t especially want to respond to him, but I will say for that the last person who called me a ‘Breton mayor,’ it didn’t bring him luck. That was Brian Cookson… By insulting me as a mayor, he is insulting the 35,000 French mayors and the French in general. I don’t know what he is looking to do with that,” Lappartient told Le Parisien. “When you are arrogant, one day or another, there is always somebody who humbles you.”

    13:54:03 CEST
    Today's stage, as pointed out, finishes in Sarzeau, where UCI president David Lappartient is the mayor. On Sunday, Transparency's Dave Brailsford criticised Lappartient's handling of the Chris Froome salbutamol case, claiming that the Breton "doesn't quite understand the responsibilities of a presidential role" and adding, "I think he’s still got the kind of local French mayor mentality." After spending much of the past two years ducking questions from reporters, it seems that Brailsford has suddenly re-found his voice this past week. Perhaps he might now finally deign to respond to the damning criticism of Team Sky's ethics - in particular, the use of corticosteroids - outlined in the Parliamentary Select Committee's report into doping in British sport, which was published in March. Or perhaps Brailsford doesn't quite understand the respsonsibilities of his role.
      :lol
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    Re: Sky
    « Reply #2035 on: July 10, 2018, 14:02 »
    Love this tongue-in-cheek byplay in the CN live text coverage of today's TdF stage.
      :lol

    $10 says that's Aunt Susan behind the wheel
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    Re: Sky
    « Reply #2036 on: July 10, 2018, 17:05 »
    $10 says that's Aunt Susan behind the wheel
    :D  Barry Ryan. He came up with another dry one a bit later:

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    Re: Sky
    « Reply #2037 on: July 22, 2018, 19:44 »
    Bradley Wiggins says... something? I think?

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/jul/21/bradley-wiggins-jiffy-bag

    Quote from: Wiggins
    Sir Bradley Wiggins has condemned the parliamentary report into the Team Sky Jiffy bag affair and the team’s use of the corticosteroid triamcinolone as “fabricated” and based on “unsubstantiated evidence".

    Okay, fine, pretty typical muck-flinging. But then he says...

    Quote from: Wiggins
    The 2012 Tour de France winner, interviewed on ITV4, also stated that further facts have come to light which he would hope might be made public in the future.

    So unsubstantiated aspertions are okay now?

    Quote from: Wiggins
    Speaking to ITV4, Wiggins claimed the DCMS committee had not attempted to speak to him in person and added: “The report was fabricated stuff and it seems that they used parliamentary privilege to get it through legally.”

    “If I’d murdered someone and was on trial, all that unsubstantiated evidence couldn’t be used – it would be lack of evidence, thrown out. But you use parliamentary privilege and you can produce a report, try and ruin someone and there you go.”

    This is a little disingenuous - the high standards of evidence in a criminal trial are there because, well, it's a criminal trial. You're meant to prove something beyond doubt, and have to do so because you are given quite extraordinary powers of punishment. A report is merely tasked with establishing, on the balance of probability, what happened.

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    Wiggins also hinted strongly he believed there might be more information to emerge. “There are things that have come to light with this whole thing that we’ve found out since that are quite scary actually and it’s very sinister. We’re still not at the bottom of it, we’re finding new stuff out daily to do with the package that never was and all this stuff and it’s quite frightening actually.

    “We’re still working on it, still trying to piece it all together. Not a legal team, just other people coming to us now and saying: ‘You know this has happened, don’t you?’ We can debate TUEs and that’s one thing, but where it went after that with everything else – there is a film to be made there. I’d love it to all come out. Once it’s all stacked up and pieced together it’s quite shocking.”

    To me this is just kind of funny, all the hush hush tones, saying it all needs to come out. Well Bradley, since you seem to know all of what's happened, why don't you enlighten us? Or is he not willing to put his name to an accusation... like the anonymous sources from the DCMS report?
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    Re: Sky
    « Reply #2038 on: July 23, 2018, 03:18 »
    Bradley Wiggins says... something? I think?

     . . .

    To me this is just kind of funny, all the hush hush tones, saying it all needs to come out. Well Bradley, since you seem to know all of what's happened, why don't you enlighten us? Or is he not willing to put his name to an accusation... like the anonymous sources from the DCMS report?

    Yes, thinkin' the same meself. Wiggo, if it is all so hush-hush and you want it all out, why not just tell us straight!
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    Re: Sky
    « Reply #2039 on: July 28, 2018, 20:31 »
    How scary - no one posting here just as Team Sky are about to put on the top of the podium in Paris their 3rd winner and make that 6 out of the last 7 years -  what an achievement by Sir David and all involved in marginal gains.  Awesome, just plain awsome. 

    So for a bit of fun and for posterity let's remind ourselves that a 32 year old who had never made the top 10 of a Grand Tour before was not just some lightweight, pack-foder or donkey, but had true pedigree and had shown genuine winning talent in the sport of cycling for many years.

    Yes - I give you .....................

    ...................the 2010 list of suspiscious riders as compiled, not by digger and his band of crazies, talking to themselves from their mum's basements around the world, on twitter, this is a real proper list of the stars of the sport by the guys who should know - after all some fool put them in charge of running the sport  - yes the UCI. 

    0
    Mario Aerts, Yukiya Arashiro, Stephane Augé, Michael Barry, Francesco Bellotti, Jose Alberto Benitez, Edvald Boasson Hagen, Lars Boom, Maxime Bouet, Pavel Brutt, Fabian Cancellara, Manuel Cardoso, Dries Devenyns, Samuel Dumoulin, Julien El Farès, Simon Gerrans, Anthony Geslin, Bert Grabsch, Christopher Horner, Robert Hunter, Kristjan Koren, Burt Lancaster, David Le Lay, Christophe Le Mével, Adriano Malori, Koes Moerenhout, Amael Moinard, Lloyd Mondory, Damien Monier, Juan Jose Oroz, Remi Pauriol, Mathieu Perget, Gregory Rast, Mark Renshaw, Nicolas Roche, Jurgen Roelandts, Pierre Rolland, Anthony Roux, Jeremy Roy, Mathieu Spr*ck, Rein Taaramae, Sebastien Turgot, Niki Terpstra, Brian Vandborg, Kristof Vandewalle, Ivan Velasco, Thomas Voeckler, Fabian Wegmann, David Zabriskie

    1
    Marcus Burghardt, Sandy Casar, Anthony Charteau, Sylvain Chavanel, Julian Dean, Mickael Delage, Martin Elmiger, Johannes Fröhlinger, Jakob Fuglsang, Robert Gesink, Xavier Florencio, Adam Hansen, Ryder Hesjedal, George Hincapie, Andreas Klier, Roger Kluge, Alexander Kuchinsky, Daniel Lloyd, Mirco Lorenzetto, Martijn Maaskant, Aitor Pérez, Alan Pérez, Jerome Pineau, Ruben Plaza, Alexandre Pliuschin, MaartenTjallingii, Rafael Valls, Maarten Wynants

    2
    Eros Capecchi, Mark Cavendish, Stephen Cummings, Remy Di Gregorio, Arkaitz Duran, Mathias Frank, Oscar Freire, John Gadret, Francesco Gavazzi, Volodymir Gustov, Thor Hushovd, Christophe Kern, Thomas Löfkvist, Sebastien Minard, Daniel Navarro, Grischa Niermann, Stuart O'Grady, Rubén Pérez, Christophe Riblon, Thomas Rohregger, L. L. Sanchez, Carlos Sastre, Fränk Schleck, Simon Spilak, Bram Tankink, Stijn Vandenbergh, Benoit Vaugrenard, Jens Voigt, Eduard Vorganov

    3
    Ivan Basso, Grega Bole, Brent Bookwalter, Dimitri Champion, Gerald Ciolek, Rui Costa, Damiano Cunego, Mauro Da Dalto, Francis De Greef, Markus Eibegger, Imanol Erviti, Tyler Farrar, Fabio Felline, Juan Antonio Flecha, Maxim Iglinskiy, Vasil Kiryienka, Roman Kreuziger, Matthieu Ladagnous, Robbie McEwen, Maxime Monfort, Sergio Paulinho, Joaquin Rodriguez, Andy Schleck, Chris Anker Sörensen, Sylvester Szmyd, Paolo Tiralongo, Amets Txurruka, Johan Van Summeren, Gorka Verdugo, Charles Wegelius

    4
    Lance Armstrong, Janez Brajkovic, Bernhard Eisel, Cadel Evans, Pierrick Fédrigo, Juan Manuel Garate, Andriy Grivko, Jesus Hernandez, Ignatas Konovalovas, Sebastian Lang, Levi Leipheimer, David Millar, Daniel Moreno, Serge Pauwels, Manuel Quinziato, Luke Roberts, Samuel Sanchez, Christian Vande Velde, Nicolas Vogondy

    5
    Alessandro Ballan, Matti Breschel, Alberto Contador, Cyril Gautier, Inaki Isasi, Sergei Ivanov, Vladimir Karpets, Alexandr Kolobnev, Karsten Kroon, Steve Morabito, Benjamin Noval, Jose Rojas, Nicki Sörensen, Alexander Vinokourov, Bradley Wiggins

    6
    Linus Gerdemann, Christian Knees, Egoi Martínez, Alessandro Petacchi, Francesco Reda, Mauro Santambrogio, Geraint Thomas

    7
    Jeremy Hunt, Andreas Klöden, Tony Martin, Christophe Moreau, Michael Rogers, Wesley Sulzberger

    8
    David De la Fuente, Ivan Gutiérrez, Danilo Hondo, Matthew Lloyd, Iban Mayoz, Dmitriy Muravyev, Rinaldo Nocentini, Daniel Oss, Kevin Seeldraeyers, Kanstantsin Siutsou, Jurgen Van Den Broeck

    9
    Denis Menchov

    10
    Carlos Barredo,Yaroslav Popovych


    So only 20 out of what, 120 riders total on the list are ahead of the 2018 Tour winner - I think that shows genuine pedigree.  Confirmed dopers like Barry and Zabriskei are there with a Zero - how much fun it that - alongside Chris Horner.  And Horner then goes and wins the Veulta and makes himself so toxic even professional cycling will not touch him for the next year.  What sort of a kick in the teeth was that to the poor guy - only trying my best guv, making it entertaining like!  Basso and Shleck at three.  Lance at a four is there with Cadel ! Cadel - sweet innocent Cadel - how could they ?  It sure is a list to provide hours of fun and who-wud-have-thunk-it back in 2010, that eight years later, a young lad who had scored so highly at such a young age, who looked like his day was done, forever the bridesmaid, the loyal helper - ffs he was ahead of Brad who with a 5 was only a single place ahead of Lance - and Brad got chosen by Sir David and Brad's surrogate dad, Shane Sutton, to win the Tour in 2012 - Well G you proved them all wrong - your day was not done, you would not walk off stage without the biggest prize - you have gone and got it and how.  That was a totally unbelieavable performance this year.

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