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M Gee

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Re: Sky
« Reply #2070 on: August 10, 2018, 03:22 »
Cillian Kelly, aka the Irish Peloton, on why Sky is disliked (interesting, and thoughtful):

http://www.irishpeloton.com/2018/08/team-sky-biggest-problem/
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  • . . .He had the bit between his teeth, and he loiked the taste, mate . . .

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    Re: Sky
    « Reply #2071 on: December 24, 2018, 10:32 »
    Read both articles all the way through.  The second one is critical.

    So the question you need to ask yourselves is why would the good doctor tell the GMC that the patches were for Sutton.  Get the answer right and you move to another level.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-6523685/Cycling-doctor-say-testosterone-patches-NCC-staff.html

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cycling/2018/12/23/shane-sutton-denies-claims-among-intended-recipients-testosterone/

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    Re: Sky
    « Reply #2072 on: January 14, 2019, 19:20 »
    https://www.mpts-uk.org/hearings-and-decisions/medical-practitioners-tribunals/dr-richard-freeman-feb-19


    "Allegation

    "The tribunal will inquire into the allegation that, on 16 May 2011, Dr Richard Freeman ordered for delivery from Fit4Sport Limited to the Manchester Velodrome 30 sachets of Testogel. It is further alleged that, at the time of the order, Testogel was (and remains) prohibited on the World Anti-Doping Agency List of Prohibited Substances and Methods. It is further alleged that on 18 May 2011, Dr Freeman made untrue statements, in that he denied making the order and advised that it had been made in error.

    "The tribunal will further inquire into the allegation that, on a date in October 2011, Dr Freeman contacted an individual at Fit4Sport Limited requesting written confirmation that the order had been sent in error, returned and would be destroyed by Fit4Sport Limited, knowing that this had not taken place. It is further alleged that, on a date in October 2011, Dr Freeman showed the email to others knowing that its content was untrue.

    "The tribunal will further inquire into the allegation that during an interview with UK Anti-Doping on 17 February 2017, Dr Freeman made untrue statements in that he stated that Testogel had been ordered for a non-athlete member of staff and had been returned to Fit4Sport Limited.

    "It is alleged that Dr Freeman’s conduct as set out above was dishonest. It is further alleged that his motive for placing the Order was to obtain Testogel to administer to an athlete to improve their athletic performance. It is further alleged Dr Freeman’s motive for his actions, in respect of the untrue statements and communications with Fit4Sport Limited, were to conceal his motive for placing the order.

    "The tribunal will further inquire into the allegation that, when Team Doctor for athletes at British Cycling Federation and Tour Racing / Team Sky, Dr Freeman inappropriately provided medical treatment that did not constitute first aid to non –athlete members of staff. It is further alleged that Dr Freeman failed to inform three patients’ GPs of medication prescribed and reasons for prescribing.

    "The tribunal will further inquire into the allegation that, in his role as Team Doctor for athletes at British Cycling Federation and Tour Racing / Team Sky, Dr Freeman failed to maintain an adequate record management system. It is further alleged that his management of prescription-only medication (‘POM’) was inappropriate.

    "The tribunal will further inquire into the allegation that Dr Freeman failed to ensure that the records on a laptop, which was stolen from him on the evening of 27 / 28 August 2014, could be retrieved."

    If only Brititish Coach of the Year, Sutton, had agreed that the testosterone was for him, all would have been good in the garden.   

    For reasons "why not ?", think back to why Emma Pooley could not have stopped the jiffy bag story dead at source.   


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    Re: Sky
    « Reply #2073 on: May 02, 2019, 21:44 »
    Whatever your feelings might be, this is pretty damn clever.  :D

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    Is the new Team IntravIneos kit some next level trolling?
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    Re: Sky
    « Reply #2074 on: November 08, 2019, 01:40 »
    Sometimes all you can do is just laugh a little...

    Isn't it about time that Dim returned to chime in on some of this? :slow

    It's interesting to look back over SIX YEARS on some of this:


    Cards on table. Sky are not, to my knowledge doing anything that is currently banned.

    No EPO
    No CERA
    No Blood tranfusions

    Are they doing things that are borderline, not illegal, but certainly dodgy.. yes..

    Are they doing things that will be banned in a few years... ? probably

    "To my knowledge" and "knowing" is a fine line...

    I think they were very safe inviting Walsh around as I am 99% sure there is no EPO or Transfusions going on, certainly not on a team level, although who the hell knows what a rider gets up to in in private.

    There are hoodles of "legal" ways, medicines that arent banned, that the bunch of ex-gp's they have can prescribe without need for a doping doctor.

    And things like this http://velorooms.com/index.php/topic,1985.0.html for instance, when I first heard about this last summer, it scared the crap out of me, its something that just shouldnt be messed with. It was pointed out to me by an Aussie, with Sky and Greenedge amongst the teams mentioned.

    I think AG sums it up fairly well in teh other thread

    I dont think its 'team sponsored doping' on the level we saw with USPS or anything like that ...

    But I do think that teams push the boundaries as much as they can sports science wise.  I do think that team doctors encourage and advise riders on 'alternative preparation' on an individual basis.  I do think that team management, doctors and sports directors regularly look the other way for individual riders who organise their own programs and methods.

    I think that
    - most riders push the boundaries in terms of things like cortisone that you can get a TUE for, and other things that are currently legal or can be maneuvered around ... but are decidedly dodgy

    - all riders are required to submit to things like high-altitude training and other such methods - where some kinds of doping are more likely.

    - some riders are on a full program of drugs and transfusions - that are privately organised but condoned by some teams

    - most riders that ARE on a full 'program' have team knowledge and understanding (on a wink-wink, nudge-nudge kind of basis)

    That is different from a team-sponsored fully juiced program for everyone.  I do not think that happens. Certainly not the on-the-team-bus kind of stuff we saw in the past.
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    M Gee

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    Re: Sky
    « Reply #2075 on: November 08, 2019, 12:31 »
    Whatever your feelings might be, this is pretty damn clever.  :D

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    THAT, is PRO-level trolling! Wow!
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    Re: Sky
    « Reply #2076 on: November 10, 2019, 21:09 »
    I'm only paying cursory attention to this tribunal, or whatever it is, but it seems like a tremendous amount of he said - he said. I suppose I'm waiting for the dust to settle in order to sort it all out, but even a distance, it would appear that someone is lyyyyyyyyiiiiiinnngggg.

    At this point, I wouldn't even pretend to know who, and I couldn't care less as to who the actual culprit is. Nothing surprises me anymore, so there's literally nothing that could come from any of this that would shock me.

    So what say you Brits? What should I be focusing on in this drama, if anything at all?
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    Re: Sky
    « Reply #2077 on: November 11, 2019, 11:52 »
    I'm only paying cursory attention to this tribunal, or whatever it is, but it seems like a tremendous amount of he said - he said. I suppose I'm waiting for the dust to settle in order to sort it all out, but even a distance, it would appear that someone is lyyyyyyyyiiiiiinnngggg.

    At this point, I wouldn't even pretend to know who, and I couldn't care less as to who the actual culprit is. Nothing surprises me anymore, so there's literally nothing that could come from any of this that would shock me.

    So what say you Brits? What should I be focusing on in this drama, if anything at all?

     Not sure us Brits know any more than anybody else at this point. Tbh, I've only been reading the for and against threads in the Clinic and on BR. For once they don't seem Poles apart, except at the extreme end of things.
    It seems that the defence council is claiming that the DCMS omitted several pieces of evidence from their report. If true, I would assume this was to further careers by "sexing it up".
    Apparently some Twitter traffic on this:  correspondence involving DCMS and a DM journalist have been withheld. These apparently discredit SS as a reliable witness and ‘could’ kill the whole Jiffy bag story.

    This testimony is doing the rounds again:

    http://data.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/committeeevidence.svc/evidencedocument/culture-media-and-sport-committee/combatting-doping-in-sport/written/69004.html

    The Clinic mention Freeman ordered and received a box of Testogel, which is gel in a sachet, 30 sachets to a box, 50mg of gel per sachet. So if true, not the "cupboard full" claimed in the media. Debate then moves on the whether it's any good for micro dosing etc.
     
     That's about it atm. Not heaps to get one's teeth into...............................as yet............. in the absence of racing.
     Keep watching this space if nothing better to do, I suppose, as the wheels continue to turn exceedingly slow.
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