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Re: Sky
« Reply #450 on: October 18, 2012, 11:35 »
'No needles' doesn't ban teams from blood testing their own riders to monitor how they are recovering from racing.

And as Arbiter said, this was after the ITT, basically after the tour was over. Not the time for a blood transfusion.

Maybe Sky can answer that by providing the blood levels for Wiggins that day.
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    Re: Sky
    « Reply #451 on: October 18, 2012, 11:36 »
    'No needles' doesn't ban teams from blood testing their own riders to monitor how they are recovering from racing.

    And as Arbiter said, this was after the ITT, basically after the tour was over. Not the time for a blood transfusion.

    really not with the Olympics a week away - would have been perfect

    lawyer for the devil  ;)
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  • Of course, if this turns out someday to be the industry standard integrated handlebar-computer-braking solution then I'll eat my kevlar-reinforced aerodynamic hat.

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    Re: Sky
    « Reply #452 on: October 18, 2012, 11:38 »
    Also, how can they be specific about the vein based on the position of a plaster?!  :-\

    I've given blood and had a nurse make several attempts to get into a vein (and mine are usually fairly easy to access). When they put the plaster on, it covers them all.
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  • He shook his head sadly and told me that endemic drug use had compelled him to give up a promising career. "Even one small local race, prize was a salami, and I see doping!" - Tim Moore: Gironimo (Riding the Very Terrible 1914 Tour of Italy)

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    Re: Sky
    « Reply #453 on: October 18, 2012, 11:53 »
    really not with the Olympics a week away - would have been perfect

    lawyer for the devil  ;)

    Oh don't worry I considered it.

    Could also be for blood value management, plasma/EPO.
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    Re: Sky
    « Reply #454 on: October 18, 2012, 12:31 »
    I thought transfusions were best done a day or two before a big event? Regardless, all academic.
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    Re: Sky
    « Reply #455 on: October 18, 2012, 13:22 »
    I thought transfusions were best done a day or two before a big event? Regardless, all academic.

    Transfusion =/= management
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    Re: Sky
    « Reply #456 on: October 18, 2012, 15:29 »
     Fran Millar ‏@franmillar

    I have sent an email to cyclismas.com confirming Bradley and the other top 5 in GC were tested for blood and urine after the final TT
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    Re: Sky
    « Reply #457 on: October 18, 2012, 15:33 »
    well there goes that one


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    Re: Sky
    « Reply #458 on: October 18, 2012, 17:04 »
    British doping ultimatum

    Anyone who signs and is found guilty of a breach - including past involvement in doping - will have their contracts terminated. The move announced by boss David Brailsford in London yesterday will also see all 80 riders and staff at Sky interviewed in a concerted effort to make the team clean in the fallout of the Lance Armstrong scandal, and sets a benchmark for other units in the pro ranks.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/sport/cycling/british-doping-ultimatum-20121018-27uhk.html#ixzz29fQbTR9J

    80 is there 50ish staff at Sky - wow
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    Re: Sky
    « Reply #459 on: October 18, 2012, 18:00 »
    British doping ultimatum

    Anyone who signs and is found guilty of a breach - including past involvement in doping - will have their contracts terminated. The move announced by boss David Brailsford in London yesterday will also see all 80 riders and staff at Sky interviewed in a concerted effort to make the team clean in the fallout of the Lance Armstrong scandal, and sets a benchmark for other units in the pro ranks.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/sport/cycling/british-doping-ultimatum-20121018-27uhk.html#ixzz29fQbTR9J

    80 is there 50ish staff at Sky - wow

    80 staff, be about right, surprised its not a few more actually

    30 riders give or take
    11-12 management/coaches
    4-6 mechanics
    10 soigneurs/masseus etc etc (a few subcontacted temps)
    3-4 drivers
    5-6 admin, pr, etc, Fran, Dario Cioni, Nick Howes, etc etc
    2 web guys
    add in about half a dozen staff at BC who deal with sky stuff, payroll etc..

    a good 80.. wonder how far they will go down the line with the statements.
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    Re: Sky
    « Reply #460 on: October 18, 2012, 19:41 »
    http://road.cc/content/news/69131-team-sky-re-states-its-position-doping

    names 1 rider 2 ds who are in trouble maybe

    misses 1 Dr
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    Re: Sky
    « Reply #461 on: October 18, 2012, 19:49 »
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    Re: Sky
    « Reply #463 on: October 18, 2012, 20:02 »
    Fran Millar ‏@franmillar

    I have sent an email to cyclismas.com confirming Bradley and the other top 5 in GC were tested for blood and urine after the final TT

    the response

     
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    Actually, no. It's no different than Hein Verbruggen saying "never, never, never" or Lance stating "I passed 500 tests." The UCI protocols for doping controls contradict her statement, which makes the statement curious. In fact, it now has caught the interest of members of the media for follow up. 

    In fact here is the doping control protocol for World Calendar races in stage races:

    1. World Calendar leader after first stage if present

    2. World Calendar leader after last stage if present

    3. Winner of the stage

    4. The leader of GC after the stage

    5. 2 riders selected at random.

    Typical protocol calls for urine analysis only. Bloods are typically reserved for later in the evening or first thing in the morning, and do not typically involve the race at hand, but rather surprise controls related to their status as an athlete in general.

    The interview by Boulting occurred shortly after the stage conclusion, and Wiggins was receiving a massage.  As stated in the piece, this is not about doping. Nor is the accusation that he is doping. At worst, it could mean that Team Sky violated the no needle policy implemented in May of 2011, which has a fine/sanction associated. At best it means they were doing their own internal programme.

    However, Fran Millar's assertion means that no, Team Sky were not doing internal blood analysis.

    So again, why they've chosen to take exception is curious indeed, considering my previous pieces, and other commentators who have discussed the subject at length.
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    Re: Sky
    « Reply #464 on: October 19, 2012, 00:46 »
    interesting.

    especially as they could have easily made all of this go away by saying it was an internal blood test.

    I dont see any real value in them doing anything nefarious after the final TT, so am not suggesting there is anything in this - just that they are so bad at PR.    ;D
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    Re: Sky
    « Reply #465 on: October 19, 2012, 07:28 »
    Hmmm is this going to run or not?

    not sure but it is getting quite serious

    I have a feeling there might be some things further on this -

    http://captaintbag.tumblr.com/post/33847425574/franmillar-satire-and-accusing-a-rider-of
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    Re: Sky
    « Reply #466 on: October 19, 2012, 07:32 »
    cycletard ‏@cycletard
    And I have sent a reply to @franmillar stating her claim "the top 5 in GC were tested for blood and urine" isn't proof. It's an assertion.
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    Re: Sky
    « Reply #467 on: October 19, 2012, 08:00 »
    Yeh, and cyclismas asserted that he wasn't blood tested, with as far as we know, zero proof.
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    Re: Sky
    « Reply #468 on: October 19, 2012, 08:14 »
    agreed and here is the issue with internet type of stuff

    what we write included - there is not much editorial and proof checking

    not that there is much in cycling internet press anyways    ;)

    maybe a discussion for the off season

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    Re: Sky
    « Reply #469 on: October 19, 2012, 10:13 »
    Indeed and now cyclismas refuse to show the emails Millar sent to them which is reasonably disappointing. They claim proof then do not show it, and then refuse to show opposing proof.

    Problem once again being the lack of objectivity, need to see both sides of the story not just the one side.
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    Re: Sky
    « Reply #470 on: October 19, 2012, 10:56 »
    Quote from the Guardian 18 October 2012
    The Guardian understands that Cavendish and his coach Rod Ellingworth, who is the race coach at Sky, will no longer work together, because Ellingworth will remain at the British team.

    Mark Cavendish "Boy racer" Stage 12 Page 251 or thereabouts
    "Cav" he (Rod Ellingworth) said "I need you to promise me something. I need you to promise me that, if you ever decide to take drugs, you'll tell me straight away. I won't judge you, but I need to know straight away so that I can disassociate myself fro you straight away"

    Say it ain't so, Mark
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    Re: Sky
    « Reply #471 on: October 19, 2012, 11:08 »
    doubt it for second

    more Sky saying he is no help for our brand now

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    Re: Sky
    « Reply #472 on: October 19, 2012, 22:28 »
    Roche defends cycling director who worked with Lance Armstrong


    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/roche-defends-cycling-director-who-worked-with-lance-armstrong-3264595.html

    1st sensible thing Roche has said in a long long time

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    "In that case, get rid of everybody. Wipe out half the peloton, half the directeur sportifs, half the managers, half the UCI and then start from scratch.

    I Would get rid of more than that though  ;D
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    Re: Sky
    « Reply #473 on: October 21, 2012, 10:13 »
    I think this might be satire
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-2220801/Team-Sky-braced-departures.html?ito=feeds-newsxml


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    "Id say (the accuser) is a very bitter and twisted guy. I must have been tested 103 times during my career and never come up positive"

    I lol'd
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    Re: Sky
    « Reply #474 on: October 21, 2012, 10:41 »
    I think this might be satire

    I lol'd

    I made an odd snorting sound that quite startled my sleeping cat.

    103 huh?

    I'm hoping somebody leaks a copy of what they have to sign. The exact wording could be very interesting.
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    Re: Sky
    « Reply #475 on: October 21, 2012, 11:09 »
    As is usual, the 103 figure has been exxagerated..

    Did some workings myself..

    I fully expect that figure to grow to 104 by the end of today and by the end of next week be somewhere around 106
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    Re: Sky
    « Reply #476 on: October 21, 2012, 11:56 »
    I think this might be satire
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-2220801/Team-Sky-braced-departures.html?ito=feeds-newsxml


    I lol'd

    Oh ok, I never realised they were taking the pee.

    Blinded by HATE for both Armstrong and Sky.
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    Re: Sky
    « Reply #477 on: October 21, 2012, 12:11 »
    Somebody started a thread at the other place dedicated to Daily Mail articles slagging Sky and taking it all seriously, kind of pathetic really.  This article amongst them.  ::)
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    Re: Sky
    « Reply #478 on: October 21, 2012, 12:23 »
    Doping expert wants Team Sky's drug stance put under the microscope

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/oct/20/doping-team-sky-cyclin

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    One of the world's leading experts on blood doping, who worked for cycling's governing body, the UCI, until April, has called for greater scrutiny of Team Sky's zero-tolerance stance on drugs and warned of the need for increased vigilance if the sport's battered credibility is to be restored.

    Seems Ashenden knows something.
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    Re: Sky
    « Reply #479 on: October 21, 2012, 12:32 »
    I wouldn't say so.

    Just his way of making a point, it is his job after all.
    And Sky with their current habit of making a hash of their Zero tolerance they are easy pickings.
    Indeed of course he is 100% correct in that Sky are at odds currently with their stance and now it is time they started to try to reconcile them, as they are doing. Pretty standard.
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