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Re: Astana Doping thread
« Reply #570 on: July 11, 2015, 23:29 »
Merely the threat of nighttime testing, and the current precarious situation of Astana probably means that they can't possibly risk it.
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    Re: Astana Doping thread
    « Reply #571 on: July 17, 2015, 22:31 »
    They certainly don't appear to be superhuman in this race. Something to do with nighttime testing perhaps?
    How about that other team that looks superhuman in this race? Or do the French just test so much better these days?
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    Re: Astana Doping thread
    « Reply #572 on: September 04, 2015, 12:12 »
    In today's unsurprising press release...

    "...the Board of directors of MPCC has decided to exclude Team Astana for non-compliance with the 9th article of the intern regulation"

    Up next... the woods, the bears, and why you need to watch where you put your feet.
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    Re: Astana Doping thread
    « Reply #573 on: September 04, 2015, 21:23 »
    In today's unsurprising press release...

    "...the Board of directors of MPCC has decided to exclude Team Astana for non-compliance with the 9th article of the intern regulation"

    Up next... the woods, the bears, and why you need to watch where you put your feet.
    Yeah, its sad, the more due to the fact Boom indeed got sick in the Tour and didnt complete the Tour. So, the controls actually work, too bad cycling doesnt seem to care too much on riders health...
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    Re: Astana Doping thread
    « Reply #575 on: November 09, 2015, 10:42 »
    Licence commission reasoned decision -  http://www.uci.ch/mm/Document/News/Newsgeneral/17/33/35/DecisionoftheLicenceCommissionontherequestforthewithdrawalofthelicenceofAstanaProTeam_English.pdf

    see who can fill in the blanks  :D

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    Re: Astana Doping thread
    « Reply #576 on: November 09, 2015, 10:58 »
    see who can fill in the blanks  :D

    I'll take the easy one ...


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    arrangements had been made to improve the distribution of race management responsibilities, which would
    no longer depend on the dominant, pervasive position of a single individual;

    It's interesting  the highlighting of hiring Russian coaches, management and medical staff...  #astana for 2016 have 26 riders listed (so far??), of which 6 are Khazak and 1 Ukranian... no Russians... though I am not sure how similar the languages would be. And yes as regards the doping offences found this holds up, but the underlying problems of clear and effective (non bullying maybe) lines of communication would seem to be more widespread.
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    Re: Astana Doping thread
    « Reply #577 on: November 09, 2015, 15:10 »
    It's interesting  the highlighting of hiring Russian coaches, management and medical staff...  #astana for 2016 have 26 riders listed (so far??), of which 6 are Khazak and 1 Ukranian... no Russians... though I am not sure how similar the languages would be.
    Ukrainian and Russian are mutually intelligible. In Kazakhstan, Russian is still the lingua franca - and looking at their names, four of the six Kazakhs are ethnically Russian anyway (only Ayazbayev & Kozhatayev have Kazakh-sounding names). The number of "Kazakh Kazakh" riders at the team, past or present, can almost be counted on one hand.[1] All the rest are/were "Russian Kazakhs".
    Therefore, hiring Russophones makes much more sense than hiring people familiar with the Kazakh language.


    Filling in the blanks:
    1) I'd wager a bet that the "information technology platform" is Skype.
    2) The "central position" who, "in his own opinion, remains the key person of the team", but who "had agreed to review his position" must be Vinokourov ...
    3) ... and Martinelli has to be the one "assuming increasing responsibilities  in race management functions."

    It scares me how absolutely appalling the team's internal communications have to have been if using Skype to exchange messages is considered a significant improvement. :fp
    Also, note that the team never promises anything substantial: Vino's position will be "reviewed" (not changed), and the use of "information technology platforms" will be increased.

    And to me the report reads as though the ISSUL audit always only had to establish whether or not the team had the possibility to fulfil the more stringent requirements by 2017 - not right now.

    It's a bloody whitewash. :barf
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    Re: Astana Doping thread
    « Reply #578 on: November 11, 2015, 18:35 »
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    "At the end of this audit of the team, we note that it has reinforced its expertise in the areas of
    preparation and care, and also that it is planning to continue this in 2016 with the arrival of two
    additional staff members to prepare riders who will be Russian-speaking. Furthermore, even if the
    use of Xxxx is still limited, the team has implemented communication systems within the medical
    unit, as well as between members of the race management and other medical and coaching
    structures.

    Xxxx being EPO?

    What a fluff.
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    Re: Astana Doping thread
    « Reply #579 on: November 11, 2015, 18:47 »
    Xxxx being EPO?
    I think it's Skype.
    Which makes you wonder how hard it can be to use that - and how they communicated before. :fp

    What a fluff.
    Yes.
    "They're not as absolutely horrendous as they were last year, and have said they'll try to become better yet, so we'll give them a pass."
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    Re: Astana Doping thread
    « Reply #581 on: October 09, 2016, 08:43 »
    https://twitter.com/Dopingnytt/status/784714212396376066
    I don't see a problem with this, if I understand correctly provisional suspension >= suspension announced?
    I mean, if you have committed a crime and they hold you in custody until your case is up for trial at the court, and the judge announces that according to the law, you should serve a some time in jail, but less or equal to the time already in custody - you should be free to go?


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    Re: Astana Doping thread
    « Reply #582 on: October 09, 2016, 20:55 »
    I don't see a problem with this, if I understand correctly provisional suspension >= suspension announced?
    I mean, if you have committed a crime and they hold you in custody until your case is up for trial at the court, and the judge announces that according to the law, you should serve a some time in jail, but less or equal to the time already in custody - you should be free to go?
    Basically, yes.
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