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The Oleg Challenge
« on: September 24, 2014, 12:20 »


Tinkoff-Saxo hopes that Chris Froome (Team Sky), Vincenzo Nibali (Astana), Nairo Quintana (Movistar) and other Grand Tour team leaders will face off with Contador in the Giro and the Tour to make a fair contest.

"We proposed in an very informal way to the other teams. We believe the best riders should go up against each other in the biggest stage races in the calendar, it seems logical to us," Feltrin told Cyclingnews.

"It's a clear way to show who is the strongest rider in the sport. If Froome and Nibali also ride both the Giro and the Tour, it's good for the sport and there can be no excuses about who is the best Grand Tour rider."

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Flo: froome = :rasmussen :?
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Mellow Velo: Oleg being a retarded juvenile again.
Today at 12:17
Mellow Velo: Bralsford should announce that Froome is riding Paris-Roubaix and ask Contador if he's chicken.
Today at 12:19
Mellow Velo: Ridiculous for opposing teams to try and dictate their opponents racing schedules.
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Flo: lol mv
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Flo: your inner sky fanboi speaking again
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Mellow Velo: You have changed your tune since last year flo. Scared of the very mention of Froome.
Today at 12:38
Mellow Velo: And no it's common sense. Even if you could taunt riders into enetering the Giro. What's to stop them riding it for Tour training?
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Mellow Velo: Maybe that's Oleg's grand plan. Get them all to knock 7 bells out of each other in the Giro while Bertie swans around at the back for a week and a half....
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Mellow Velo: ....then claims food poisoning or some such and disappears to preapre for an "easy" tour win.
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just some guy: I think tinkoff should put a mill euro up best place over the 3 GT wins
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Mellow Velo: You need total trust in your opponent before you start making you plans fit their desires. Is Tinkoff that man?
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Mellow Velo: Good idea jsg. 3 million would be better. 1 per GT.
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just some guy: yep something that gives many a go open to all riders take a GT off to win another no cash
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Mellow Velo: There has to be a major incentive. Certainly not something to entertain because of some silly playground challenge from Mr "Mindgames".
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just some guy: and still gives rider who finish top 15 a chance I like the idea of best GT talent at all GTs  but there is the dark side issues
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    Re: The Oleg Challenge
    « Reply #1 on: September 24, 2014, 12:33 »
    Some sort kf weirdness on my tablet no idea why it is jn 3 columns.

    Anyway what say you?
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    Re: The Oleg Challenge
    « Reply #2 on: September 24, 2014, 12:54 »
    Some sort kf weirdness on my tablet no idea why it is jn 3 columns.

    Anyway what say you?

    remove comma's from CSV table.
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    Re: The Oleg Challenge
    « Reply #3 on: September 24, 2014, 12:57 »
    remove comma's from CSV table.

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    Re: The Oleg Challenge
    « Reply #4 on: September 24, 2014, 14:45 »
    Anyhow. Making the massive assumption that everyone became up for this, how could it work?
    What would need to be done, logistically, to make it remotely possible that one rider could podium, let alone win all three?

    Rest and recuperation times would need to be extended.
    Imo, the Vuelta would have to move back to it's old April slot, the Tour to start in mid June and the Giro right at the back end of August.
    The Worlds then returning to it's old August spot.

    In reality, I would expect the Vuelta to lose it's third week, just as soon as this enterprise got underway.
    Something that would not overly upset both the UCI, in any case.
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    Re: The Oleg Challenge
    « Reply #5 on: September 24, 2014, 15:29 »
    Follow the money. Guy like Tinkov won't do anything unless there's another motive. So to me it seems like a prelude to the justification for a breakaway league headed by everyone's favourite Total Banker.

    If Oleg can get all the biggest names to agree symbolically to something, brewing up a media frenzy into the bargain, he might think he has the sort of consensus to begin to approach RCS and ASO directly.
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    Re: The Oleg Challenge
    « Reply #6 on: September 24, 2014, 15:37 »
    FWIW

    RCS have alraady started or probably finished making the Giro less hard and making the 3rd week not nearly as hard for Nibali, so the 1st 2 GTs are possible for at least AC and VN
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    Re: The Oleg Challenge
    « Reply #7 on: September 24, 2014, 15:42 »
    FWIW

    RCS have alraady started or probably finished making the Giro less hard and making the 3rd week not nearly as hard for Nibali, so the 1st 2 GTs are possible for at least AC and VN

    Yeah, I know, and I believe he's not planning to ride it.
    Not what I would personally call great news.
    Me? Don't give a fig who rides what. Riders come and go.
    Too many fanboys and girls nowadays
    For me it's all about the races and getting those parcour nice and juicy, not bland and tasteless.
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    Re: The Oleg Challenge
    « Reply #8 on: September 24, 2014, 15:51 »
    Riding two GTs in a row?
    I haven't seen anything to suggest any rider would arrive at the Tour in top form after doing the Giro.
    And for that reason it is a daft suggestion in my opinion. I want the riders in top form at the Tour, nothing less.
    Even this year's Vuelta where the top riders were struggling sometimes to be in top form after having done the Tour, was frustrating.

    Not to mention that different riders will cope with doing multiple GTs in different ways.
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    Re: The Oleg Challenge
    « Reply #9 on: September 24, 2014, 16:25 »
    Riding two GTs in a row?
    I haven't seen anything to suggest any rider would arrive at the Tour in top form after doing the Giro.
    And for that reason it is a daft suggestion in my opinion. I want the riders in top form at the Tour, nothing less.
    Even this year's Vuelta where the top riders were struggling sometimes to be in top form after having done the Tour, was frustrating.

    Not to mention that different riders will cope with doing multiple GTs in different ways.

    So GT riders who Target the Giro or Vuelta ?

    I find that a really odd way of looking at it.
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    Re: The Oleg Challenge
    « Reply #10 on: September 24, 2014, 16:30 »
    So GT riders who Target the Giro or Vuelta ?
    What about them?

    The Tour is the main objective of the year for the Big 3 or so. So it follows they should be in top form for it, both for the spectators and for themselves.
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    Re: The Oleg Challenge
    « Reply #11 on: September 24, 2014, 17:07 »
    What about them?

    The Tour is the main objective of the year for the Big 3 or so. So it follows they should be in top form for it, both for the spectators and for themselves.

    Quintana had the Giro this year , Nibali the year before, Contador etc

    Froome is the only one who had the tour at the whole focus of the year
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    Re: The Oleg Challenge
    « Reply #12 on: September 24, 2014, 17:13 »
    Quintana had the Giro this year , Nibali the year before, Contador etc

    Froome is the only one who had the tour at the whole focus of the year
    Realistically all three of Contador, Nibali and Froome made the Tour their main objective this year. You would expect the best Grand Tour riders to do so. Nibali went to the Giro to build up and then comeback stronger and better next year (and to win it of course).

    Quintana realistically would also have the Tour as his main objective next year, he also was only sent to Giro to build up, win the GT. But long term the Tour is his main objective as well. Next year their is no doubt that is where he will be aiming. Not sole objective. Go for the Vuelta if you want and speak up your chances of winning it all you want (Contador), but not the Giro which harms your chances of the Tour.
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    Re: The Oleg Challenge
    « Reply #13 on: September 24, 2014, 17:19 »
    But the point is the Tour is not the only GT

    I want to see the best riders and the best route, Does not matter which one

    I do think the Oleg´s idea  has some , well a lot of merit, Would be a really cool thing to watch at the Giro all the WT start with their best GT teams, and then by the Vuelta we see what is left.

    If we take tennis the 4 majors all players are there, why not cycling

    Same idea for the classics, best routes and best riders
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    Re: The Oleg Challenge
    « Reply #14 on: September 24, 2014, 17:43 »
    First of all Tinkov is a businessman - and a good one he is.

    The more top riders target the double (or even the triple), the easier it is to actually achieve that goal - and nonetheless it would make the significance rise, just for the amount of big names in the battle
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    Re: The Oleg Challenge
    « Reply #15 on: September 24, 2014, 17:47 »

    I haven't seen anything to suggest any rider would arrive at the Tour in top form after doing the Giro.


    Rafa Majka :)
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    Re: The Oleg Challenge
    « Reply #16 on: September 24, 2014, 17:51 »
    IMO if Alberto wants the double: either Quintana, Froome and Nibali all join him at the Giro, or none. Otherwise it's close to impossible. He either needs to win the Giro still building towards his peak for the Tour, or go deep and tire himself out BUT have the other 3 tire themselves out too.
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    Re: The Oleg Challenge
    « Reply #17 on: September 24, 2014, 17:56 »
    Post like froome19 infuriate me no end (tour is the only Gt) .....makes me want to punch talking tom   
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    Re: The Oleg Challenge
    « Reply #18 on: September 24, 2014, 17:56 »
    Rafa Majka :)

    he arrived at the Tour in sh*t form, took him nearly two weeks (to be competitive)
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    Re: The Oleg Challenge
    « Reply #19 on: September 24, 2014, 17:57 »
    Post like froome19 infuriate me no end (tour is the only Gt) .....makes me want to punch talking tom

    violence is not the solution my friend :)
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    Re: The Oleg Challenge
    « Reply #20 on: September 24, 2014, 18:01 »
    Post like froome19 infuriate me no end (tour is the only Gt) .....makes me want to punch talking tom
    I kind of agree with you Zam (And Echoes I hear you as well).

    But I am looking at the reality of the situation. For the riders the top prize is the Tour. The best GT riders will race it and will prioritise it. Fact.
    I agree with you in essence JSG. What I am saying is at the end of the day one GT will have to be prioritised, I agree it doesn't necessarily have to be the Tour. But we all know it will be, so I get annoyed by this doubling up that Oleg is suggesting.
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    Re: The Oleg Challenge
    « Reply #21 on: September 24, 2014, 18:02 »
    he arrived at the Tour in sh*t form, took him nearly two weeks (to be competitive)

    I'm not so sure. In the first half of the race we had nothing to judge his form. On Chamrousse he was competitive. Let's not talk about stage 10 when the entire #tinkoff team left finished half an hour back
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    Re: The Oleg Challenge
    « Reply #22 on: September 24, 2014, 18:05 »
    I kind of agree with you Zam (And Echoes I hear you as well).

    But I am looking at the reality of the situation. For the riders the top prize is the Tour. The best GT riders will race it and will prioritise it. Fact.
    I agree with you in essence JSG. What I am saying is at the end of the day one GT will have to be prioritised, I agree it doesn't necessarily have to be the Tour. But we all know it will be, so I get annoyed by this doubling up that Oleg is suggesting.

    No. Like JSG pointed out in '11,'13, '14 this wasn't the case. And neither will it be in '15
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    Re: The Oleg Challenge
    « Reply #23 on: September 24, 2014, 18:14 »
    The Tour is the biggest prize, that's for sure. But winning all 3 GTs is a huge prize too. I think many riders would rather win all three once than the Tour twice. And Italians in particular, for them the Giro is probably as big as the Tour.

    But I'll make the suggestion before Echoes does ;) We don't need riders to do all 3 GTs, we need them to do all 5 monuments!
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    Re: The Oleg Challenge
    « Reply #24 on: September 24, 2014, 18:16 »
    Lets be honest, Contador ( and Froome, Quintana, etc ) are in a league way above Majka. I wouldnt consider them chanceless at the Tour because theyve ridden the Giro*. I like the proposal, eventhough it is unrealistic, seeing how important the Tour is with regards to media coverage etc.

    Nonetheless I hope it happens, but somehow I doubt Froome & Quintana will be swayed, especially now its certain that Bert will ride the Giro.

    * I would consider them chanceless because the Big Bad Bobby G is riding the Tour ; )





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    Re: The Oleg Challenge
    « Reply #25 on: September 24, 2014, 18:18 »
    On a global level, the Tour de France completely eclipses the Giro d'Italia. Any sponsor that doesn't have a specific focus on the Italian market is going to consider a strong performance at le Tour an order of magnitude more valuable for their brand than a strong performance at il Giro.

    I understand what Oleg is hoping for here, and from a pure fan perspective yes it would be wonderful to get all the top-tier GT talent to compete at two tours a year instead of just one, but in the actual real world which we all inhabit it is PURE FANTASY.
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    Re: The Oleg Challenge
    « Reply #26 on: September 24, 2014, 23:29 »
    I would consider them chanceless because the Big Bad Bobby G is riding the Tour ; )

    I keep thinking you are Flo because of that avatar bet you lost  :S I was wondering why flo was giving props to Bobby G



    What I really finds interesting is if AC wins the double, will he ride the Vuelta, I think so[1].
     1. Fun fact:In races that he finished Contador is undefeated in GT's starting outside outside of France, he is 0/3 in GT's starting inside of France[1]
     1. How many starts in France in 2015? 0 yes? 3 wins for AC?
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    Re: The Oleg Challenge
    « Reply #27 on: September 24, 2014, 23:48 »
    I keep thinking you are Flo because of that avatar bet you lost  :S I was wondering why flo was giving props to Bobby G

    Well.. So do I at times, I once wondered why my profile wasnt online and Flo's was :fp.
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    Re: The Oleg Challenge
    « Reply #28 on: September 25, 2014, 06:25 »
    I keep thinking you are Flo because of that avatar bet you lost  :S I was wondering why flo was giving props to Bobby G



    What I really finds interesting is if AC wins the double, will he ride the Vuelta, I think so[1].
     1. Fun fact:In races that he finished Contador is undefeated in GT's starting outside outside of France, he is 0/3 in GT's starting inside of France[1]
     1. How many starts in France in 2015? 0 yes? 3 wins for AC?

    Ehh this year's tdf started outside of France
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    Re: The Oleg Challenge
    « Reply #29 on: September 25, 2014, 08:49 »
    I keep thinking you are Flo because of that avatar bet you lost  :S I was wondering why flo was giving props to Bobby G



    What I really finds interesting is if AC wins the double, will he ride the Vuelta, I think so[1].
     1. Fun fact:In races that he finished Contador is undefeated in GT's starting outside outside of France, he is 0/3 in GT's starting inside of France[1]
     1. How many starts in France in 2015? 0 yes? 3 wins for AC?

    Outlandish idea. But had to click "Like" because of the ballsy virtuosity of the footnote-within-a-footnote.
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