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Re: The Oleg Challenge
« Reply #30 on: September 25, 2014, 08:51 »
DNF counting as a lose, harsh  :D
Ehh this year's tdf started outside of France
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    Re: The Oleg Challenge
    « Reply #31 on: September 25, 2014, 12:10 »
    DNF counting as a lose, harsh  :D

    well he started and did not win
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    Re: The Oleg Challenge
    « Reply #32 on: September 25, 2014, 14:46 »
    Ehh this year's tdf started outside of France

    Hence "in races that he finished"  ;)
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    Re: The Oleg Challenge
    « Reply #33 on: September 25, 2014, 14:49 »
    missed that
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    Re: The Oleg Challenge
    « Reply #34 on: October 06, 2014, 22:46 »
    Oleg has gone even further off the deep end: http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/tinkov-offers-a-eur1-million-to-contador-and-his-grand-tour-rivals

    Wants Quintana, Froome, Nibali and Contador to ride ALL THREE grand tours next year, and is vaguely offering them €250,000 each if they do (but not in any legally binding way, at least not yet).

    Froome's current contract is worth an estimated €700,000 a year. If you figure that riding 3 GTs in one season shortens your career by even half a year then the math doesn't work out.
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    Re: The Oleg Challenge
    « Reply #35 on: October 07, 2014, 07:50 »
    Maybe Jams, but I still like the idea of these 4 plus I would add a couple of others ride all the GT's woukd add to cycling 2015.

    FWIW I think the Giro suits Froome and Contador equally,  so maybe he tries the double,  I doubt he will but it would be good for Sky and Cycling if Nibs, Ac and Froome did the Giro-Tour dbl

    Quintana is too young I think for this
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    Re: The Oleg Challenge
    « Reply #36 on: October 11, 2014, 06:55 »
    MILAN (VN) — Tour de France champion Vincenzo Nibali (Astana) dismissed Oleg Tinkov’s challenge to race all three grand tours in 2015. The Russian businessman and owner of team Tinkoff-Saxo offered one million Euros ($1,264,750) to split between his rider Alberto Contador, Nibali, Nairo Quintana (Movistar), and Chris Froome (Sky) if they raced all three grand tours in 2015.

    “To put down one million euro for the four big grand tour stars is just a way to make yourself look good in front of the others,” Nibali told Italian website Tutto Bici. “The big four riders certainly don’t need his money.”


    Read more at http://velonews.competitor.com/2014/10/news/nibali-dismisses-tinkovs-million-euro-triple-crown-challenge_349012#zQdbYs7lTUPc490y.99

    Tinkov’s own rider, Michael Rogers, is a man who presumably would have to support Alberto Contador in those grand tours. And he sees Tinkov’s approach a bit differently.

    “Cycling is a very traditional sport. I’ve been thinking about this a lot lately. We’re all very similar. … I think Oleg is cut from a completely different [cloth]. He sees things from a very, very different perspective that we’re probably not used to,” Rogers told VeloNews Friday morning. “I feel it comes along at the right time. I feel we need to change the sport. I feel we need to simplify. It needs a fresh voice, like Oleg’s. It’s pulling cycling out of its comfort zone. That’s probably the best way I can put it.”


    Read more at http://velonews.competitor.com/2014/10/news/michael-rogers-cycling-needs-innovate_349056#01OpOWtxl1ZqHZEb.99
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    Re: The Oleg Challenge
    « Reply #38 on: October 14, 2014, 05:31 »
    1st really well thought why this is bad most good stuff from RossTucker ;).

    not just Oleg is a dick..... we know

    or they will dope ...... if they already stopped

    http://www.sbs.com.au/cyclingcentral/philip-gomes/blog/129329/Three-Grand-Tours-full-gas?-Maybe-not
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    Re: The Oleg Challenge
    « Reply #39 on: October 14, 2014, 12:40 »
    It made its way onto BBC Sport Frontpage yesterday... it must mean business.
    Definitely not just a joke now..
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    Re: The Oleg Challenge
    « Reply #42 on: October 16, 2014, 20:50 »
    but alberto will do it and get the 1 million :P

    1st - 2nd - 2nd is my prediction fwiw

    behind froome at tdf and quintana at vuelta
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    Re: The Oleg Challenge
    « Reply #43 on: October 16, 2014, 21:54 »
    but alberto will do it and get the 1 million :P

    1st - 2nd - 2nd is my prediction fwiw

    behind froome at tdf and quintana at vuelta

    Well, that would beat the current best by a considerable margin, were it to happen; 4th 6th and 3rd, way back in 1955.

    Were he to achieve it, I would most certainly vote him rider of 2015. ;)

    Sastre and Roche with different opinions on it's viability:

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/tinkovs-eur1-million-challenge-will-it-happen
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    Re: The Oleg Challenge
    « Reply #44 on: October 17, 2014, 06:44 »
    Sastre really is the bench mark here

    Even if Stephen has a point I just don´t read anything he has to say, his demons need to be explained 1st, but I digress

    I think the Giro-Tour dbl looks a great step back from Oleg and should be doable for the big 4 Pinot and Bardet will look to sniper the TDF which will make it interesting Aru, and Valverde look to the Vuelta against Horner

    GT´s looking good  :D
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    Re: The Oleg Challenge
    « Reply #46 on: October 17, 2014, 11:52 »
    http://www1.skysports.com/cycling/news/22854/9520095/oleg-tinkov-exclusive-qa

    So he wants to help cycling by coming up with this idea... but he thinks the GTs being 2 weeks is a good idea.

    Can someone please slap him.
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    Re: The Oleg Challenge
    « Reply #47 on: October 17, 2014, 11:57 »
    So he wants to help cycling by coming up with this idea... but he thinks the GTs being 2 weeks is a good idea.

    Can someone please slap him.
    There would be alot of slapping CJ

    many in power or those who can make change at the uci believe similar

    RCS, Unipublic and the ASO disagree
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    Re: The Oleg Challenge
    « Reply #48 on: October 17, 2014, 11:59 »
    RCS, Unipublic and the ASO disagree

    Not to mention the fans...

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    Re: The Oleg Challenge
    « Reply #49 on: October 17, 2014, 12:05 »
    Not sure we count for much
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    Re: The Oleg Challenge
    « Reply #50 on: October 17, 2014, 16:01 »
    So he wants to help cycling by coming up with this idea... but he thinks the GTs being 2 weeks is a good idea.

    Can someone please slap him.

    I find the idea that in order to ride the three Grand Tours, you first have to turn two into glorified Tours of Switzerland, totally pointless.

    You might just as well organise the triple around  T-A, Pais Vais and Le Tour.

    Ultimately, even if they could force a cut in the Giro, what's to stop the RCS saying right, first week flat, the whole second week monster mountain stages..............or worse, all flat, time bonuses, no mountains.
    Best of luck, Bertie! :D
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    Re: The Oleg Challenge
    « Reply #51 on: October 20, 2014, 08:05 »
    RCS, Unipublic and the ASO disagree
    Of course they do. And rightly so, this would only serve to cement the Tour's place as 'the GT', with the other two races not a half, but two-three steps below it. Not a fan of it.
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    Re: The Oleg Challenge
    « Reply #52 on: October 20, 2014, 09:58 »
    the actual power in the sport lies with ASO Unipublic and RCS (with flanders classics and a few other race organisers as a second tier)

    between them they can do broadly whatever they think will keep sponsors (riders will follow the races if the money is there) and in theory completely ignore the UCI.

    I think they all like the current standing of 3 GTs all being well worth winning, with le Tour as a head above the others, but able to use previous winners of Giro and Vuelta as Marketing material. ("the most competitive tour ever, 5 winners of previous GTs" type quotes)


    I think giro tour is doable on current schedules and I think Contador could have done it in 2011 if the Giro hadn't been so absurdly tough (it finished with 9 consecutive hard days (with a rest day) 6 mountains, a medium mountain, a TT and a MTT) he also won by 6 minutes which was unneccessary, but i think he was aware that on such a tough course it was perfectly possible to have a bad day and lose minutes so while he had legs he had to get his buffer.

    to be good for a week and great for two in may, solid to exceptional for three weeks in July and then have something left to be good to great in Aug-Sept is probably asking too much, but i don't see why it's not possible in theory.


    I think that the area that is really contador's competitive advantage is his recovery, so if everyone had to do all 3 i think it much more likely that you'd get contador still the best at the vuelta, but i don't see any of them tired (having won 2 GTs) being able to beat one of them fresh.

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    Re: The Oleg Challenge
    « Reply #53 on: October 20, 2014, 10:03 »
    I think in theory Alberto could do the double next year, lancasterke I'd like to add that Alberto also crashed several times in the 2011 TDF and lost 80s on the first day, but this year the TDF is apparently super tough so impossible imo. I'm wondering if ASO did this on purpose to encourage riders to focus only on TDF. Either way I hope Alberto will not change plans and will still ride il Giro, skip the TDF if necessary for all I care.
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    Re: The Oleg Challenge
    « Reply #55 on: October 29, 2014, 09:58 »
    Something occurred to me reading that article.

    Contador, Froome, Nibali and Quintana are four totally different types of riders, at least within the subset of cyclists we consider stage-race GC contenders. Arguably Quintana is the more natural climber, but Contador more explosive. Froome can set - and hold - a high tempo on the big climbs probably for longer than anyone, but Nibali is equally capable of pulling out gaps on shorter, sharper climbs.

    So for Oleg's challenge to work, or rather for it to appeal to all 4 riders enough for them all to agree, all the race profiles would need to be similar. In effect, we would need a balanced, 9-week race spread from May to September, with the overall shortest time being the overall winner (regardless of placings in the individual races).

    But as it is, consider the two GTs we have routes for already. Giro 2015 has 60km of TTs. We know Contador is targetting it, and will probably start as favourite. Froome could be persuaded, and the route suits the two of them pretty well. But why on earth would Quintana put himself through that, knowing that he could lose 3 or 4 minutes against the clock and have to find it on the mountain stages, and dent his chances of overall victory in the Tour, which - with much less in the way of time trialling - suits him much better. In fact, potentially suits him best of all.

    And if we homogenise these races for the sake of a spectacle - and a payday that, as has been pointed out, is relatively paltry all things considered - we lose the very soul of the races that make us tune in. Let alone if we dropped the third weeks in Italy and Spain.

    And, if we focus on these 4 riders, what of Fabio Aru, Romain Bardet and Thibault Pinot, or Purito and Valverde. Suddenly you marginalise the home interest. There is more to the Grand Tours than the GC. Yes, the yellow jersey is (possibly) the most iconic piece of cycling clothing. But it isn't the be all and end all of the Tour de France.

    End of ramble - time to get back to work.
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    Re: The Oleg Challenge
    « Reply #56 on: November 04, 2014, 16:41 »
    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/contador-rules-out-triple-grand-tour-bid-in-2015

    No-one should be surprised by this news. If Oleg can't convince his own damn rider to adopt his hare-brained scheme there is zero chance of any of the rest falling for it. I think the real goal here was to get everyone talking about Oleg Tinkoff for a couple of weeks.
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