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Re: World Championships 2017: Bergen, Norway!
« Reply #90 on: September 18, 2017, 21:57 »


Who's in first?

Moolman.



ID the riders anyone?

Campenaerts, Roglic, Clement, Van Emden, Boom in that order. Surer about some more than others there.
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    Re: World Championships 2017: Bergen, Norway!
    « Reply #91 on: September 19, 2017, 09:09 »
    http://www.directvelo.com/actualite/61348/mondial-juniors-hommes-clm-les-horaires-de-depart

    Junior Men's Start List:

    11:35:00 78 MERDJ Aymen ALG
    11:36:30 77 FEDOROV Yevgeniy KAZ
    11:38:00 76 HJEMSAETER Olav NOR
    11:39:30 75 CHAIYASOMBAT Thanakhan THA
    11:41:00 74 VAN DER MERWE Schalk NAM
    11:42:30 73 ZUBRICKAS Romas LTU
    11:44:00 72 MAZUR Dzianis BLR
    11:45:30 71 HOPKINS Kaden BER
    11:47:00 70 SAFARLI Mikayil AZE
    11:48:30 69 LOUKILI Abdellah MAR
    11:50:00 68 KVIST Linus SWE
    11:51:30 67 WRIGHT Mitchell AUS
    11:53:00 66 MARTYNOV Nikita RUS
    11:54:30 65 CHRETIEN Charles-Etienne CAN
    11:56:00 64 HAMILTON Ben NZL
    11:57:30 63 THIEBAUD Valere SUI
    11:59:00 62 WRIGHT Fred GBR
    12:00:30 61 GAMPER Mario AUT
    12:02:00 60 HOLEC Richard CZE
    12:03:30 59 SHEEHAN Riley USA
    12:05:00 58 HEINSCHKE Leon GER
    12:06:30 57 MANFREDI Samuele ITA
    12:08:00 56 LECAMUS LAMBERT Florentin FRA
    12:09:30 55 CHERHABIL Alaeddine ALG
    12:11:00 54 WALSH Ben IRL
    12:12:30 53 PAPIERSKI Damian POL
    12:14:00 52 TERRY Ryan RSA
    12:15:30 51 ARENSMAN Thymen NED
    12:17:00 50 SAGADIN Luka SLO
    12:18:30 49 VAN WILDER Ilan BEL
    12:20:00 48 BRUSSENSKIY Gleb KAZ
    12:21:30 47 PRICE-PEJTERSEN Johan DEN
    12:23:00 46 WAERENSKJOLD Soren NOR
    12:24:30 45 NIKULIN Daniil UKR
    12:26:00 44 MOHAMED AZIZ Melki TUN
    12:27:30 43 SAENKHAMWONG Wachirawit THA
    12:29:00 42 RAYES Mohamed SYR
    12:30:30 41 BELLE Stephen Alberto SEY
    12:32:00 40 VASILOIU Valentin ROU
    12:33:30 39 DU PLOOY Charl NAM
    12:35:00 38 VAITAITIS Kestutis LTU
    12:36:30 37 ANSONS Kristers LAT
    12:38:00 36 GARCIA JANEIRO Guillermo ESP
    12:39:30 35 TURUK Daniil BLR
    12:41:00 34 OLIVEIRA Matthew BER
    12:42:30 33 ORLOV Ivan AZE
    12:44:00 32 AUTRAN CARRILLO Jose Eduardo CHI
    12:45:30 31 GEBRESELASSIE Kiflom ETH
    12:47:00 30 REDY Dylan MRI
    12:48:30 29 OCAMPO GIRALDO Victor Alejandro COL
    12:50:00 28 MEDRAZI Mohammed MAR
    12:51:30 27 WALL Christoffer SWE
    12:53:00 26 MANSOURI Hamza ALG
    12:54:30 25 BERWICK Sebastian AUS
    12:56:00 24 KLUCKERS Arthur LUX
    12:57:30 23 KUGAEVSKI Gleb RUS
    12:59:00 22 STAPLES Graydon CAN
    13:00:30 21 ELWORTHY Oscar NZL
    13:02:00 20 SCHMID Mauro SUI
    13:03:30 19 PIDCOCK Thomas GBR
    13:05:00 18 BAYER Tobias AUT
    13:06:30 17 ISLAS LOPEZ Fernando MEX
    13:08:00 16 MATSUDA Shoi JPN
    13:09:30 15 SEDLACEK Vojtech CZE
    13:11:00 14 BOOTS Kendrick USA
    13:12:30 13 HOLLMANN Juri GER
    13:14:00 12 PUPPIO Antonio ITA
    13:15:30 11 RENARD Alexis FRA
    13:17:00 10 YOUNG Xeno IRL
    13:18:30 9 MACIEJUK Filip POL
    13:20:00 8 STOJNIC Veljko SRB
    13:21:30 7 OOSTHUIZEN Jason RSA
    13:23:00 6 HOOLE Daan NED
    13:24:30 5 CEMAZAR Nik SLO
    13:26:00 4 GRIGNARD Sébastien BEL
    13:27:30 3 CHZHAN Igor KAZ
    13:29:00 2 JOHANSEN Julius DEN
    13:30:30 1 LEKNESSUND Andreas NOR
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    Re: World Championships 2017: Bergen, Norway!
    « Reply #92 on: September 19, 2017, 13:14 »
    http://www.directvelo.com/actualite/61349/mondial-elite-dames-clm-les-horaires-de-depart

    Elite Women's TT Start List:

    15:35:00 54 STEPHENS Lauren USA
    15:36:30 53 VAN DER BREGGEN Anna NED
    15:38:00 52 GEREFIEL Selam Amha ETH
    15:39:30 51 FASOI Varvara GRE
    15:41:00 50 GAFINOVITZ Rotem ISR
    15:42:30 49 YANG Qianyu HKG
    15:44:00 48 JOVAISYTE Justina LTU
    15:45:30 47 MATHIESEN Pernille DEN
    15:47:00 46 FORCHINI Ramona SUI
    15:48:30 45 THORSEN Thea NOR
    15:50:00 44 LABOUS Juliette FRA
    15:51:30 43 BARKER Elinor GBR
    15:53:00 42 KAJIHARA Yumi JPN
    15:54:30 41 MORZENTI Lisa ITA
    15:56:00 40 SAARELAINEN Sari FIN
    15:57:30 39 WORRACK Trixi GER
    15:59:00 38 WILES Tayler USA
    16:00:30 37 TCYMBALIUK Ksenia RUS
    16:02:00 36 CHRISTOFOROU Antri CYP
    16:03:30 35 GEBRU Eyeru Tesfoam ETH
    16:05:00 34 TSAVARI Eleni Michalista GRE
    16:06:30 33 LEE Jer Ling Serene SIN
    16:08:00 32 BURNS Eileen IRL
    16:09:30 31 SHAPIRA Omer ISR
    16:11:00 30 HALBWACHS Aurelie MRI
    16:12:30 29 VILLALON SANCHEZ Aranza Valentina CHI
    16:14:00 28 SANTOYO PEREZ Brenda MEX
    16:15:30 27 RITTER Martina AUT
    16:17:00 26 SANABRIA SANCHEZ Ana Cristina COL
    16:18:30 25 PANG Yao HKG
    16:20:00 24 SHEKEL Olga UKR
    16:21:30 23 OYARBIDE JIMENEZ Lourdes ESP
    16:23:00 22 NERLO Aurela POL
    16:24:30 21 TUSLAITE Daiva LTU
    16:26:00 20 DYGERT Chloe USA
    16:27:30 19 VAN VLEUTEN Annemiek NED
    16:29:00 18 PAVLUKHINA Olena AZE
    16:30:30 17 LUDWIG Cecilie Uttrup DEN
    16:32:00 16 REUSSER Marlen SUI
    16:33:30 15 HEINE Vita NOR
    16:35:00 14 CORDON RAGOT Audrey FRA
    16:36:30 13 CANUEL Karol-Ann CAN
    16:38:00 12 BARNES Hannah GBR
    16:39:30 11 DUYCK Ann-Sophie BEL
    16:41:00 10 YONAMINE Eri JPN
    16:42:30 9 MOOLMAN-PASIO Ashleigh RSA
    16:44:00 8 VILLUMSEN Linda NZL
    16:45:30 7 LONGO BORGHINI Elisa ITA
    16:47:00 6 LEPISTO Lotta Pauliina FIN
    16:48:30 5 BRENNAUER Lisa GER
    16:50:00 4 ZABELINSKAYA Olga RUS
    16:51:30 3 GARFOOT Katrin AUS
    16:53:00 2 VAN DIJK Ellen NED
    16:54:30 1 NEBEN Amber Leone USA

    USA and Netherlands having options at either end of the list in case of changeable conditions.
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    Re: World Championships 2017: Bergen, Norway!
    « Reply #93 on: September 19, 2017, 14:44 »
     This course is certainly turning out a few surprises.



    Who would have thought?
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    Re: World Championships 2017: Bergen, Norway!
    « Reply #94 on: September 19, 2017, 15:00 »
    This course is certainly turning out a few surprises.
    I expected a rematch of the Euro champs between #teamdk Johansen and #teamno Leknessund. As it turned out, neither made the podium.
    In the home favourite's case, he likely pushed too hard on the first half of the course, and while he took a solid lead at the top, he then had too little left in the tank for the downhill/flat second half.
    In the case of the Dane, he had a mechanical very early on, necessitating a bike change and putting him some 30" behind the best at the first time check. In the end, he finished 6th, 27" down ... who knows what might have been?

    This shouldn't distract from what was a great ITT by #teamgb Pidcock who was quite secure in the hotseat once he'd sat down in it. Shout-out to the Pole who was overjoyed when it turned out Leknessund wasn't going to medal, winning him the bronze medal.




    Medal table after 3/10 events:
    /gm /sm /bm
    1 *it Italy 1 2 0
    2 *dk Denmark 1 0 0
    3 *uk Great Britain 1 0 0
    4 *us USA 0 1 0
    5 *fr France 0 0 1
    6 *pl Poland 0 0 1
    7 *au Australia 0 0 1
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    Re: World Championships 2017: Bergen, Norway!
    « Reply #95 on: September 19, 2017, 16:33 »
    Due to Eurosport prioritising some random match in some random Snooker tournament and some random motorbike race over the women's ITT world championships, I didn't see much of this race, only the last few riders finishing. :(

    #teamnl had three riders capable of winning, and two of them finished on the podium; that's a pretty good return. And who wouldn't be happy for Annemiek van Vleuten after last year's near-miss (and especially the horrific crash in Rio).




    Medal table after 4/10 events:
    /gm /sm /bm
    1 *it Italy 1 2 0
    2 *nl Netherlands 1 1 0
    3 *dk Denmark 1 0 0
    4 *uk Great Britain 1 0 0
    5 *us USA 0 1 0
    6 *au Australia 0 0 2
    7 *fr France 0 0 1
    8 *pl Poland 0 0 1
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    Leadbelly

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    Re: World Championships 2017: Bergen, Norway!
    « Reply #96 on: September 19, 2017, 16:57 »
    A *lu Michael Reihs clone the other day and today it's the turn of a *by Daniel Turek. :o

    Junior Men's Start List:

    12:39:30 35 TURUK Daniil BLR

    This course is certainly turning out a few surprises.



    Who would have thought?



    How much would the restricted gearing play in his favour on a lumpyish course like this (if any at all)?
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    Re: World Championships 2017: Bergen, Norway!
    « Reply #97 on: September 19, 2017, 17:19 »
    A win for the self proclaimed new Stybar !
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    Re: World Championships 2017: Bergen, Norway!
    « Reply #98 on: September 19, 2017, 17:30 »
    How much would the restricted gearing play in his favour on a lumpyish course like this (if any at all)?
    There were a couple of juniors freewheeling on the downhill parts because they'd spinned out their gears.
    Don't know how much of a difference it would have made, though.

    In my opinion, restricted gears are really just another component to consider, and they certainly have a place in junior racing. If you were strong enough to push more than your gears allowed on the downhill, you should be able to spend that 'extra' power on the flat parts that followed.
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    Re: World Championships 2017: Bergen, Norway!
    « Reply #99 on: September 19, 2017, 17:31 »
    How much would the restricted gearing play in his favour on a lumpyish course like this (if any at all)?

    I was wondering this while watching the race. I would have thought the gear restrictions act as more of a leveller on flat courses than they would on a lumpy course.
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    Re: World Championships 2017: Bergen, Norway!
    « Reply #100 on: September 19, 2017, 22:03 »
    http://www.directvelo.com/actualite/61358/mondial-elite-hommes-clm-les-horaires-de-depart

    Elite Men's TT Start List:

    13:05:00 65 LUTSENKO Alexey KAZ
    13:06:30 64 SUTTERLIN Jasha GER
    13:08:00 63 WAIS Ahmad Badreddin SYR
    13:09:30 62 KHAN Awais PAK
    13:11:00 61 TAN Gabriel SIN
    13:12:30 60 ZHUPA Eugert ALB
    13:14:00 59 BRITTON Robert CAN
    13:15:30 58 ZOIDL Riccardo AUT
    13:17:00 57 HANSEN Lasse Norman DEN
    13:18:30 56 RYBARUK Kostyantyn UKR
    13:20:00 55 DE PLUS Laurens BEL
    13:50:00 54 VANGSTAD Andreas NOR
    13:51:30 53 COSTA Rui POR
    13:53:00 52 HOLLENSTEIN Reto SUI
    13:54:30 51 ROSSKOPF Joseph USA
    13:56:00 50 EVTUSHENKO Alexander RUS
    13:57:30 49 TACIAK Mateusz POL
    13:59:00 48 TRATNIK Jan SLO
    14:00:30 47 IZAGUIRRE INSAUSTI Gorka ESP
    14:02:00 46 GEOGHEGAN HART Tao GBR
    14:03:30 45 BIZHIGITOV Zhandos KAZ
    14:05:00 44 ARNDT Nikias GER
    14:35:00 43 JASER Nazir SYR
    14:36:30 42 MUHAMMAD Arsalan Anjum PAK
    14:38:00 41 TEOH Yi Peng SIN
    14:39:30 40 BURROWES Jermaine GUY
    14:41:00 39 MARTINS SANDOVAL Uri MEX
    14:42:30 38 HALILAJ Redi ALB
    14:44:00 37 CHEUNG King Lok HKG
    14:45:30 36 ASADOV Elchin AZE
    14:47:00 35 NDAYISENGA Valens RWA
    14:48:30 34 LAMPAERT Yves BEL
    14:50:00 33 KONOVALOVAS Ignatas LTU
    15:20:00 32 TVETCOV Serghei ROU
    15:21:30 31 SEPULVEDA Eduardo ARG
    15:23:00 30 TESHOME Meron ERI
    15:24:30 29 BOND Hamish NZL
    15:26:00 28 HOULE Hugo CAN
    15:27:30 27 SMIT Willem Jakobus RSA
    15:29:00 26 POSTLBERGER Lukas AUT
    15:30:30 25 MADSEN Martin Toft DEN
    15:32:00 24 GRIVKO Andrey UKR
    15:33:30 23 KELDERMAN Wilco NED
    15:35:00 22 PANTANO GOMEZ Jarlinson COL
    16:05:00 21 ROCHE Nicolas IRL
    16:06:30 20 GRUZDEV Dmitriy KAZ
    16:08:00 19 BARTA Jan CZE
    16:09:30 18 HAGEN Edvald Boasson NOR
    16:11:00 17 CAMPENAERTS Victor BEL
    16:12:30 16 OLIVEIRA Nelson POR
    16:14:00 15 GOUGEARD Alexis FRA
    16:15:30 14 MOSCON Gianni ITA
    16:17:00 13 LUDVIGSSON Tobias SWE
    16:18:30 12 KUNG Stefan SUI
    16:20:00 11 KIRYIENKA Vasil BLR
    16:50:00 10 VAN GARDEREN Tejay USA
    16:51:30 9 ZAKARIN Ilnur RUS
    16:53:00 8 JUNGELS Bob LUX
    16:54:30 7 BODNAR Maciej POL
    16:56:00 6 ROGLIC Primoz SLO
    16:57:30 5 DENNIS Rohan AUS
    16:59:00 4 CASTROVIEJO Jonathan ESP
    17:00:30 3 FROOME Chris GBR
    17:02:00 2 DUMOULIN Tom NED
    17:03:30 1 MARTIN Tony GER
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    Re: World Championships 2017: Bergen, Norway!
    « Reply #101 on: September 19, 2017, 22:21 »
    OK, tomorrow (wednesday) is the beeeg day, with the men's elite ITT includign the unprecedented (lie! Etoile de Besseges - style) finishing climb up to Mount Fløyen. Too much is written about the course already all over the net, so lets look at the competitors:

    the startlist is here (pdf-file from uci again...)

    NINJA EDIT: or just read the post above which leadbelly posted while I was writing  :)

    The start order...say again?
    There are 6 groups of starters with 1 min 30 secs interval between the starters in each group, and ... what ? 30 minutes between each group? I wasn't planning on bringing some beers in my backpack for tomorrow but what the BIIP are we going to do all those empty half-hour sets?

    In the first group starting 13:05 there are a few outsiders for the podium like  *kz Alexay Lutsenko starting first, then  *de Jasha Sutterlin and a long list of no-nevers, including  *dk Lasse Norman Hansen who will probably be hoping for the Fløyen to tilt back to level for a while, and then go back to normal.

    In the second group starting 13:50 there are a few very interesting riders like  *no Andreas Vangstad (only because I will be cheering for him)  so it is very interesting. Andreas has a decent time trial and is not a poor climber, and I hope he can compete with  *no Edvald Boasson Hagen on this course.  Edvald Boasson Hagen is a good time trialist but he could be a lot better if he actually practiced, so I really hope someone beats him in a serious race soon.
    After Vangstad comes *pt Rui Costa. I think he should do relatively well on such a course? Also in the same group is  *es Gorka Izaguirre and  *gb Tao Geoghan Heart.

    Group 3 starts 14:35 and includes  *be Lampaert and  Konovalovas but they're not the ones I would expect to perform on such a course? (Food and beer break may be at this time...

    Group 4 starts 15:20 and there's *nl Wilco Kelderman starting at 15:33, then Givko then Pantano. I would have hoped for Uran, but it seems he stayed at home. Watch out for teamwork, I expect Kelderman to ride as the pacesetter for Dumoulin (if you saw van der Breggen and van Vleuten today, I think that is how they operated.)

    Group 5 starts 16:05 and its full of really good time trial dudes who cannot win on this course: Roche, Barta. Edvald, Campenaerts, Oliveira, Gougeard, Moscon, Ludviggson, Kung, and Kiriyenka.

    Group 6 starts 16:50 and these are the podium candidates: Zakarin, Jungels, Roglic, Dennis, Froome, Dumoulin. Throw in a Bodnar and a Castroviejo for seasoning and Tony Martin for dessert...
     
    So: *gb Froome, *nl Dumoulin or an unexpected victory?
    Easy, as long as Dumoulin stays on his feet. The Dutch come much better prepared than the British, they were here in May spending time, preparing for the time trials. Kelderman is probably the best pacesetter Dumoulin can get, whereas Tao Geoghan Heart is not the ideal substitution for Geraint Thomas. Then again, if your plan A doesn't work you might as well put your money on the future.

    Froome reportedly has not prepared specifically for the event, although he might have a hint of supercompensation left after the Vuelta. Dumoulin I think has been targeting this for a while now...

    As any potential third force here...that would be  *ru Russian or  *au Australian I think...no, wait.
    It would have to be  *si Roglic. He's the cube shaped bouncing ball in this company: he can bounce very high and go very far but God only knows in which direction...





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    Re: World Championships 2017: Bergen, Norway!
    « Reply #102 on: September 19, 2017, 22:30 »
    There are 6 groups of starters with 1 min 30 secs interval between the starters in each group, and ... what ? 30 minutes between each group? I wasn't planning on bringing some beers in my backpack for tomorrow but what the BIIP are we going to do all those empty half-hour sets?
    The idea is that group 1 will have started their second lap before group 2 takes off, and so on. They did the same in Copenhagen.

    So: *gb Froome, *nl Dumoulin or an unexpected victory?
    Easy, as long as Dumoulin stays on his feet. The Dutch come much better prepared than the British, they were here in May spending time, preparing for the time trials. Kelderman is probably the best pacesetter Dumoulin can get, whereas Tao Geoghan Heart is not the ideal substitution for Geraint Thomas. Then again, if your plan A doesn't work you might as well put your money on the future.

    Froome reportedly has not prepared specifically for the event, although he might have a hint of supercompensation left after the Vuelta. Dumoulin I think has been targeting this for a while now...

    As any potential third force here...that would be  *ru Russian or  *au Australian I think...no, wait.
    It would have to be  *si Roglic. He's the cube shaped bouncing ball in this company: he can bounce very high and go very far but God only knows in which direction...
    I agree with this. Dumoulin is THE favourite. Froome will probably still be good enough for a podium. And yes, looking at the startlist Roglic jumped out at me. Excellent timetrialist, excellent climber - bronze medal wouldn't surprise me. Even silver wouldn't. Gold would, though - that one's Dumoulin's to lose.
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    Re: World Championships 2017: Bergen, Norway!
    « Reply #103 on: September 19, 2017, 23:15 »
    The idea is that group 1 will have started their second lap before group 2 takes off, and so on. They did the same in Copenhagen.

    Copenhagen had nothing like Fløyen? I mean, it is a few years ago, there could have been a little erosion and so on, but ... nah!
    I think there will be few spectators on those laps, and everyone, their dog and their mother up Fløyen somewhere. Net effect, the crowd gets 5* 30 mins breaks => drunk spectator issues. Or maybe just happy. We'll see..
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    Re: World Championships 2017: Bergen, Norway!
    « Reply #104 on: September 20, 2017, 02:41 »
    Lotto-Jumbo #jumbo at Vetrlidsalmenningen. Notice last rider conducting the cheering from the crowd  :)

    lotto-jumbo TTT Vetrlidsalmenningen

    ID the riders anyone?
    Ooohhh, they're all a bit on the dark side, aren't they?

    Post Merge: September 20, 2017, 02:54
    . . .

    In the first group starting 13:05 there are a few outsiders for the podium like  *kz Alexay Lutsenko starting first, then  *de Jasha Sutterlin and a long list of no-nevers, including  *dk Lasse Norman Hansen who will probably be hoping for the Fløyen to tilt back to level for a while, and then go back to normal.

    In the second group starting 13:50 there are a few very interesting riders like  *no Andreas Vangstad (only because I will be cheering for him)  so it is very interesting. Andreas has a decent time trial and is not a poor climber, and I hope he can compete with  *no Edvald Boasson Hagen on this course.  Edvald Boasson Hagen is a good time trialist but he could be a lot better if he actually practiced, so I really hope someone beats him in a serious race soon.  . . .

    Ahahahaha! You guys have got me in stitches today! I see we are a bit disappointed in Boassen Hagen, eh? Well, ok, then I will cheer for Vangstad, also. Should I bet on him?

    I am a bit amazed at the positive forecast for Dumoulin - but hey - I really like him as a rider - so "Shields On!" Forward and upward. Only way to go.

    Oh, hey, this seems to be shaping up as a real crackin' Worlds this year!
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    Re: World Championships 2017: Bergen, Norway!
    « Reply #105 on: September 20, 2017, 07:38 »
    I think there will be few spectators on those laps, and everyone, their dog and their mother up Fløyen somewhere. Net effect, the crowd gets 5* 30 mins breaks => drunk spectator issues. Or maybe just happy. We'll see..
    I think they count on the fact that beer is so hilariously expensive in Norway that nobody can afford more than one. :lol
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    Re: World Championships 2017
    « Reply #106 on: September 20, 2017, 10:41 »
    EBH said he will use a road bike for the whole course, not sure if that's a good idea. Haven't heard anything like that from others so far.

    Dumoulin says the climb isn't as steep as it looks like on the profile, he even claims the measurements are wrong. According to him it's 3k at ~7% only
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    Re: World Championships 2017
    « Reply #107 on: September 20, 2017, 11:19 »
    Dumoulin says the climb isn't as steep as it looks like on the profile, he even claims the measurements are wrong. According to him it's 3k at ~7% only
    RideWithGPS gives me 298 altitude metres over 3.4 km. Granted, that's 8.7% and not 9.1%, but it's still far closer to that than it is to 7%.

    Maybe Dumoulin has simply become so good a climber that 9% feel to him now as 7% did a few years ago? :D

    Also, it appears to be raining in Bergen. Was bound to happen, three days without (much) rain are the absolute exception from the rule (which is "it always rains in Bergen").
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    Re: World Championships 2017: Bergen, Norway!
    « Reply #108 on: September 20, 2017, 16:52 »
    Wow. Just wow. :o
    What a course. :cool
    What an absolute MASS of spectators on the climb. :D

    And what a performance by #teamnl Tom Dumoulin, adding the ITT #rainbow to his #pink Giro win.
    :pray

    Nobody was even close: Difference between 1st & 2nd bigger than that between 2nd and 13th.




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    Re: World Championships 2017
    « Reply #110 on: September 20, 2017, 17:48 »
    The all important climbing splits.

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    Re: World Championships 2017
    « Reply #111 on: September 20, 2017, 19:24 »
    Only clocked the other day that this party is taking place in your backyard T-72. Congrats on throwing a spiffing one! Nice to see actual crowds on a WC, having a ball, and the superb Norwegian Police response to running fans. More of that please. All that unarmed response training really paying off there. Loved the Eritrean posse turning out for their rider too, I have a lot of time for these global coming togethers, and Norway is certainly doing it in style, against a great backdrop, with a gem of a circuit. Enjoy the coming weekend road-side!   
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    Re: World Championships 2017
    « Reply #112 on: September 20, 2017, 19:33 »
    Only clocked the other day that this party is taking place in your backyard T-72. Congrats on throwing a spiffing one! Nice to see actual crowds on a WC, having a ball, and the superb Norwegian Police response to running fans. More of that please. All that unarmed response training really paying off there. Loved the Eritrean posse turning out for their rider too, I have a lot of time for these global coming togethers, and Norway is certainly doing it in style, against a great backdrop, with a gem of a circuit. Enjoy the coming weekend road-side!

    Yes this :cool
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    Re: World Championships 2017
    « Reply #113 on: September 20, 2017, 21:10 »
    . . . Congrats on throwing a spiffing one! Nice to see actual crowds on a WC, having a ball, and the superb Norwegian Police response to running fans.  . . . Norway is certainly doing it in style, against a great backdrop, with a gem of a circuit. . . .

    GOT to say it! I have to third this! Best Worlds in years! And what a year for the Dutch!
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    Re: World Championships 2017
    « Reply #114 on: September 20, 2017, 21:25 »
    It isn't really in my backyard but they are racing around my house  :D glad to read y'all enjoy this watching on TV too. On the streets it is great. Dumoulin is a big winner now with 2 out of 3 possible victories  here, but it is actually cycling, the sport, which is the even bigger winner. Love it  :cool

    PS: Dumoulin is in such good shape now, I think we need to put him on the favorites list for sunday.
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    Re: World Championships 2017
    « Reply #115 on: September 21, 2017, 03:39 »
    Ok, now - t-72: What about this Salmon Hill for the RR? How will Sagan manage on it?
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    Re: World Championships 2017
    « Reply #116 on: September 21, 2017, 18:23 »
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    10-20 potential winners?
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    Re: World Championships 2017
    « Reply #118 on: September 21, 2017, 19:11 »
    10-20 potential winners?

    Let's see:
    *no Halvorsen is their best man, but don't underestimate Foss or Skaarseth. Tiller is elite national champion, so he's good too. And Wærsted is option B for a sprint. And I'll take Forfang in as well for good measure.
    *dk Casper P. and Carbel are probably the leaders; Asgreen or Gregaard could be part of an early attack that makes it. Bjerg is the ITT world champion.
    *be Allegaert and Lambrecht, plus Philipsen. A very strong team.
    *fr Cosnefroy or Madouas for me, Bonnamour and Thomas after that.
    *gb Knox would have to attack on the climb; I don't know the rest well enough.
    *ru Nych & Sivakov will have to be watched very closely.
    *co Hodeg for a sprint, Dani Martinez for attacks.
    *ch Hirschi & Müller
    *cz Schlegel
    *it Affini, Albanese, Carboni ... another very strong team.
    *us Oien might try something, but Powless is probably their strongest card.
    *nl Jakobsen will still be around in the end in all but the hardest race scenarios, and he can sprint. Eenkhoorn isn't bad either.
    *lu Wirtgen impressed me in the ITT, don't let him out of sight.
    *au Hindley, Storer, Scotson
    *ie Mark Downey at a stretch
    *jp Onodera, maybe - but that's even more of a stretch
    *pt Ivo Oliveira
    *at Gamper
    *kz Gidich
    *ua nope, nobody that jumps out
    *de Schinnagel and Nowak are good on the hill, Kanter is a good sprinter; Kämna can do a late finisseur attack or just follow moves
    *cr *ch *ar nope
    *by Riabushenko, definitely
    *mx nope
    *pl Paluta or Banaszek at a stretch
    *hk *lb *fi *az nope
    *se Höög
    *sk nope
    *ee Lauk, or even Mäoma
    *lv nope
    *es Carretero, Ivan Garcia, or Samitier
    *rs Rajovic
    *si Pogacar
    *er Zemenfes Solomon has a good sprint if he's still around at the finish
    *rw Areruya is a good climber, should be able to follow moves on the hill
    *ca *il *pa *nz *bg *cy nope
    *hu Pelikán, just because
    *mc nope
    *dz A. Mansouri
    *mk not really
    *mn *gr *ve *uy nope
    *ma Zahiri & Sahbaoui aren't bad as such
    *ug nope

    That's 63 names I highlighted. If half of those make the top-40 tomorrow, that would be a very good result with my prediction skills. :D
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    Re: World Championships 2017
    « Reply #119 on: September 21, 2017, 22:48 »
    Ok, now - t-72: What about this Salmon Hill for the RR? How will Sagan manage on it?

    The "Salmon Hill" (which in everyday life is known as Landåslien) is a dominant feature of the road race, but it is a far less selective climb than the ones that have dominated the races so far: The shorter and steeper Birkelundsbakken, and the longer and steeper climb up to Fløyen: The maximum gradient is below 10 % and it is a mostly wide road with soft curves on the way up. It's an uphill drag without well defined focus point  for attacks. I think it will have the greater impact in the men's elite road race, because they will have to go up there 11 times.  I think the main impact will be to wear riders down, thinning the field and set  up conditions for late move and decisive attacks. Teams without sprinters will try to set the pace so the better sprinters get dropped. TEams with good sprinters will try to control it with their sprinters in protected positions.

     I am less certain that the winning move will go on the Salmon Hill, but in-shape versions of Peter Sagan, Michael Matthews, Greg van Avermaet, Michail Kwiatkowski, Julian Alaphilipppe  and lets not forget Tom Dumoulin  and EDvald Boasson Hagen will probably not be dropped on this climb.  The race may be settled until the technical city streets, which (from the looks of it) could work for technically skilled riders like...Sagan.

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