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2015 CQ Game Thread
« on: December 17, 2014, 00:10 »
The 2015 CQ Ranking Manager Thread!

Hi all, and welcome to the 2015 CQ Ranking Manager Game! This is the fifth edition of the game. Please see below for some history, basics, and more specific rules related to dates, dopers, etc.

History

The game was launched on December 8th 2010 by cyclingnews forum poster Hugo Koblet. His idea was to have a game where you build a cycling team from the website cqranking.com and its comprehensive numerical rankings of riders. What was originally meant to be a 25-team max competition that Hugo reserved the right to cancel if there was lack of interest became the most successful game in cyclingnews forum history, and has expanded to velorooms forums as well.

Hugo successfully ran the game for 3 years, and it bred various offshoots, such as a youth game, seasonal games (classics and GTs), emerging riders and riders in decline games. I took over organizing the main game last year when Hugo got too busy, and am evidently doing so again this year.

Some statistics:

2011 – 87 participants
1. ingsve – 13897 points
2. Waterloo Sunrise – 13450
3. mc_mountain – 12670

2012 – 129 participants
1. skidmark – 19345 points
2. Kvinto – 18087
3. Nyssinator – 17761

2013 – 132 participants
1. SteelyDan – 13094 points
2. Geraint Too Fast – 13074
3. will10 – 12986

2014 – 150 participants
1. Pentacycle – 14367 points
2. Cykeltyven – 13693
3. Ruudz0r - 13609

All-time cumulative score leaders (thanks to EvansIsTheBest): http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=1605120&postcount=1438

That is it for preamble. Let’s go through the more comprehensive set of rules:

Basics

The game is based on the point system developed by the website http://cqranking.com. Based on this system you will have to select a team of between 25 and 33 riders whose combined value doesn’t exceed 7500 points. 7500 points is a little bit under the average for the ProTour teams whose average for 2014 is 8396. 7500 is closest to the amount of points Belkin made this season, the 13th ranked of the 18 WT teams.

Your aim then is to select a team of riders who will increase their 2014 score the most during the 2015 season. The winner of the game is the one who has selected the team with the highest combined value when the game ends.


1. How the game works

1.1. Start & Finish

The season starts when the first race giving CQ points is held (which is the Aussie National TT Championships on January 8th) and ends when the last major race (.1 or higher) is held. The winner will be crowned when the next update after the last major race is out.*

*An extension will be granted to the end of season if it is very close at the top. If any teams are within 100 points of the leader after the last major race, the season will be automatically extended until the final race of the year unless all teams within 100 points explicitly concede. As well, anyone in the top 10 can extend the season by PMing me a request to do so before the last major race starts.

(The reason for this rule is that although minor races go through December, it is rare to have a rider in the game participate in these races, so it is sensible to end the season when people are still generally watching cycling. But if it's a very close race, it's important to crown the person who picked the best team for the year.)

1.2 Updates
Each week we will publish an update with a top 10 and a list of the high scorers and high jumpers. This will sometimes be by me, and sometimes by others – I will be setting a tentative schedule based on volunteers.

2. On doping

2.1. On ex-dopers
All riders are available to choose, except for riders who are provisionally suspended by the UCI (as of their latest update, available here: http://www.uci.ch/mm/Document/News/CleanSport/16/72/78/20141205ProvisionalSuspensionEN2.0_English.pdf).

Riders who have been suspended for doping and had that affect their 2014 score will not be available simply for their 2014 score. Instead, a rider’s value will be equivalent to that of his last full season; or, if he has more recently had a (not full, due to suspension) season in which he has earned more points, that season represents his value. Riders who have been suspended by the UCI are on this list: http://www.uci.ch/mm/Document/News/CleanSport/16/67/91/20141205SanctionsADRVEN2.0_English.pdf.

Therefore, you can pick any rider you like, but if you want to take Mauro Santambrogio, for example, he won't cost the 0 points he earned in 2014 (his suspension ended on November 2nd). His suspension began in 2013 so his last 'full' season was 2012, in which he scored 344 points. However, since he scored more in his 'partial' 2013 season, his cost is instead the 822 points he scored in that season.

Hopefully the lists I've provided and the rules are clear enough, but if you make an error I will try to let you know if any of your submissions fall into this category.

2.2. Riders getting caught during the season
If you include a rider in your team who gets caught with his hands in the cookie jar, nothing happens right away. Your rider keeps his points unless the cqranking.com deletes his results before the end of the game.

Basically, the value of a rider on cqranking.com always stands.

3. Submitting your team

3.1. How do I?
You pick between 25 and 33 riders whose combined value doesn’t exceed 7500 points and send the list to me by PM.

As I will manually have to include the teams into the Microsoft Excel file which keeps track of the scores, please be careful that you send your team to me based on the correct formula. I don’t take any responsibility for any error you might make. If I spot an error I will do my best to contact you but I can’t guarantee anything. Of course, if you have any questions feel free to ask either here in this thread or by sending a personal message.

The layout you need to use is this:

VALVERDE BELMONTE Alejandro
CONTADOR VELASCO Alberto
Etc.

Nothing else. No points after the name. Also, be careful that there is no “space” after the name, because I will have to delete it manually.

To make things easier for both you and me I will link to a file for you to download in which you can type in your team and it will automatically show you the value of each rider as well as the aggregated value of your team. Then you will just have to copy your team (names only) directly from this file and send it to me.

Hopefully this clears any misunderstandings of a rider’s value as well as reduces the number of errors made in a team sent to me.

3.2. When do I?
The first race of the season will start January 8, so I want to have your team in hand on January 6 at the latest. The deadline is 23:59 (CET) January 5th, so early January 6th for Aussies and sometime on January 5th for North Americans.

Please note that even though it feels as though the season is over, it’s actually not. There are still racing to be done and CQ points to be handed out that could affect the value of a rider you have picked. It is always possible that an obscure rider may score points in a small race at the end of season, or that CQ will adjust points for an earlier season race for whatever reason (eg. readjusting points for suspended dopers) Be mindful of these changes.

cqranking.com usually uploads the final update of the season on December 31, and the values in this update are the ones we’re using. However, the changes are usually very small so there’s no reason why you can’t start selecting your team already today!

**Disclaimer: ensuring your team is full of eligible riders and is on budget is your responsibility. If I notice you are over budget or have an ineligible rider I will send you a message, but if you don't get back to me in time, or I don't notice before the deadline, I will simply remove one rider to make your budget work. Obviously it is to your advantage to be able to choose all your riders, so please be diligent.**

Create Your Team

Hugo created a very helpful file in 2012, referred to above, that helps avoid any errors in calculation and helps ensure you are formatting your rider names correctly. I would encourage everyone to use this option, especially if you are not confident in your spreadsheet creating skills. Use the link below to create your team, then copy and paste the rider names to send to me by PM once you have it correct. Thank you. https://www.dropbox.com/s/v89ptm3do2l09cm/Create%20Your%20Team%202015.xls?dl=0

**note: the 'create your team' file has not yet been manually updated to include different scores for dopers as per rule 2.1, so it is currently wholly your responsibility to account for this.**

I think that about covers everything. If you have any questions or if I forgot to add or explain anything, please let me know.

Have fun and remember to visit cqranking.com! Without their great work it wouldn’t be possible to have this game.

This game is also being run through cyclingnews.com forums, and you can submit a team to me through either here or there. Updates will also be posted to both places.
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    Re: The 2015 CQ Ranking Manager Thread
    « Reply #1 on: December 17, 2014, 00:11 »
    This post is reserved to list submitted teams as they come in, as well as to list links to updates in the main thread as they are posted so that one does not have to hunt through umpteen pages to find them.

    If you have submitted a team recently and don't see it appear within 24 hours, please message me to see what is up. Teams submitted in the first 48 hours after this thread go up might not be processed until the end of that period of time, but after that I will endeavour to check every day.

    This is the final (unofficial) list of 152 participating teams, as of deadline time:

    *Falze*
    18-Valve
    Açordas_Team
    adamski101
    afpm90
    Akuryo
    al_pacino
    AlyKaptan
    ansimi
    archieboy
    arekw77
    Armchair Cyclist
    Arnout
    asdfgh101
    Bicycle Boy
    BigMac
    blues in the bottle
    browntown86
    Ceramiche Cauz
    cineteq
    cj2002
    comodoro
    Cqmanager
    CraZyCaLL
    Crevaison
    cyclingmad1
    Cykeltyven
    CzechBike
    del1962
    derrudi
    diggercuz
    DJ_Sprtsch
    Eric10
    EvansIsTheBest
    Eyeballs Out
    fauniera
    Ferminal
    freshman
    froome19
    Geraint Too Fast
    Giallo
    GP Blanco
    greenedge
    gustienordic
    Handbrake
    HelgeBlendet
    hilltopfinisher
    Hugo Koblet
    Hugo87
    IlPirata92
    ingsve
    ironted
    ItalianGigolo
    Jakob747
    Jancouver
    jeroenk
    Joelsim
    Josedin
    Jpettersen
    Jspear
    Just some guy
    kabete
    karaev
    Kazistuta
    kiilike
    Kjellus
    knallertjeblaf
    LaFlorecita
    Lancasterke
    LaVelocipede
    Leadbelly
    LightBing
    Londonpat
    Lortnoc
    LosBrolin
    ludwig
    Maaaaaaaarten
    MADRAZO
    manafana
    markene2
    Martin
    martinaagaard
    martybart
    mc_mountain
    McardinalR
    Mellow Velo
    merengues
    minessa
    Multispeed
    mutschi
    NairoQ
    Name
    nepetalactone
    Netserk
    Nicosix
    nuvolablu
    Nyssinator
    Object
    Oliveira
    Pentacycle
    PeterB
    Popchu
    postmanhat
    PunchingRouleur
    ray200
    Roar Like A Mouse
    Roderick
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    Roubaix
    Roude Leiw
    Ruudz0r
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    SamJourno
    Sasquatch
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    search
    Shalgo
    simple
    Skibby the bush kangaroo
    skidmark
    slosada
    snccdcno
    Sneekes
    sublimit
    tanja
    The Amateur
    the asian
    The Hitch
    the sceptic
    the_fool_on_the_hill
    theyoungest
    Tigerion
    Tom-jelte
    tomazo
    topprak
    Total Package
    trackstand
    trotters aotearoa
    Trudgin
    Tuart
    uspostal
    VeloHuman
    VeloRooms
    vernakular
    Vesica
    Vladimir
    waleweter
    Wallenquist
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    will10
    Yellow Knight
    Zam
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    Re: The 2015 CQ Ranking Manager Thread
    « Reply #2 on: December 17, 2014, 00:11 »
    This post is reserved to create a schedule for updates. I will not always be free to do weekly updates, and this year we had some success spreading the responsibilities around. I thought that, rather than Pming people to remind them when they have to do updates, I would put a schedule out here in the thread so people could easily check when they think they are coming up. When I have more time in a few days, I will post a calendar of all the Mondays of the year and start to ask for volunteers to help. Stay tuned.
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    Re: The 2015 CQ Ranking Manager Thread
    « Reply #3 on: December 17, 2014, 10:52 »
    Does anyone know how to send an excel sheet by PM please?
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    Re: The 2015 CQ Ranking Manager Thread
    « Reply #4 on: December 17, 2014, 11:37 »
    Does anyone know how to send an excel sheet by PM please?
    You don't. ;)
    You copy the names (only the names, see above) from the excel sheet into the PM, and send that off.
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    Re: The 2015 CQ Ranking Manager Thread
    « Reply #5 on: December 17, 2014, 16:37 »
    Arrrgghhhh. Put my team into the handy excel file and somebody has gained a point ..... putting me at 7501.    :Poo:
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    Re: The 2015 CQ Ranking Manager Thread
    « Reply #6 on: December 17, 2014, 16:44 »
    someone else on my file has lost 445 points due to Skidmark's recent clarification of the rules though, which is something I really have to think about over the coming days...
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    Re: The 2015 CQ Ranking Manager Thread
    « Reply #7 on: December 17, 2014, 17:00 »
    someone else on my file has lost 445 points due to Skidmark's recent clarification of the rules though, which is something I really have to think about over the coming days...

    how does a rider lose points because of the rules?? (unless you misunderstood them in the first place, of course)
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    Re: The 2015 CQ Ranking Manager Thread
    « Reply #8 on: December 17, 2014, 17:07 »
    no, it's because the rules changed. Last year they said "All riders are available to choose; however, riders who have been suspended for doping and had that affect their 2013 score will not be available simply for their 2013 score." So it just said "suspended", not whether by UCI, Wada, Nada or whoever

    ...while it's based on the list of the UCI this year.

    skidmark has also clarified that on cn:

    "this means that riders that have been sanctioned by their national ADAs but for some reason not by UCI are available for their 2014 price. And yes, this means that two prominent, high-scoring 'ambiguous case' riders are available at their 2014 price."
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    Re: The 2015 CQ Ranking Manager Thread
    « Reply #9 on: December 17, 2014, 17:14 »
    Ah okay got it :P
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    Re: The 2015 CQ Ranking Manager Thread
    « Reply #10 on: December 17, 2014, 17:18 »
    Oh them. Don't want them anyway
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    Re: The 2015 CQ Ranking Manager Thread
    « Reply #11 on: December 17, 2014, 20:34 »
    Team in

    33 at 7497

    the one guy I was thinking of adding scored points out of the blue this week and now too expensive  :lol
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    Re: The 2015 CQ Ranking Manager Thread
    « Reply #12 on: December 17, 2014, 20:49 »
    33 at 7,469 for me. Barring suspension or injury I won't be changing it.
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    Re: The 2015 CQ Ranking Manager Thread
    « Reply #13 on: December 19, 2014, 22:04 »
    no, it's because the rules changed. Last year they said "All riders are available to choose; however, riders who have been suspended for doping and had that affect their 2013 score will not be available simply for their 2013 score." So it just said "suspended", not whether by UCI, Wada, Nada or whoever

    ...while it's based on the list of the UCI this year.

    skidmark has also clarified that on cn:

    "this means that riders that have been sanctioned by their national ADAs but for some reason not by UCI are available for their 2014 price. And yes, this means that two prominent, high-scoring 'ambiguous case' riders are available at their 2014 price."

    Yeah, apologies if this affects plans that have been made already. I had to choose a clear way forward and there are going to be a few bumps for people regardless of what I chose to do. My hope is that it's just clearer criteria for everyone.
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    Re: 2015 CQ Ranking Manager
    « Reply #14 on: December 21, 2014, 14:51 »
    Solved my 1 point problem with some shuffling and Team Leadbelly duly entered.  :cool

    Oldest rider: 31 (three of them)
    Nation with most representatives: Belgium and Colombia (four each)
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    Re: 2015 CQ Ranking Manager
    « Reply #15 on: December 21, 2014, 15:42 »
    Skids did you get my team

    I sent it in a couple of days ago
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    Re: 2015 CQ Ranking Manager
    « Reply #16 on: December 21, 2014, 15:45 »
    1 rider of 30, everyone else in 20s.

    Av age 23.96

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    Re: 2015 CQ Ranking Manager
    « Reply #17 on: December 22, 2014, 00:51 »
    Ok, my team is in... 2014 team took months of serious study and almost losing my job... And was average.

    This team... 3 hrs and done!!
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    Re: 2015 CQ Ranking Manager
    « Reply #18 on: December 28, 2014, 17:08 »
    Youth CQ game thread will go up on 31st Dec or 1st January, sorry for the delay.
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    Re: 2015 CQ Ranking Manager
    « Reply #19 on: December 28, 2014, 19:44 »
    Youth CQ game thread will go up on 31st Dec or 1st January, sorry for the delay.

    That only gives us 19 days to mess around in the dark
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    Re: 2015 CQ Ranking Manager
    « Reply #20 on: December 28, 2014, 20:26 »
    That's good news mc.

    Got my team ready and waiting (barring any rule changes  :P).
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    Re: 2015 CQ Ranking Manager
    « Reply #21 on: December 28, 2014, 20:49 »
    Youth CQ game thread will go up on 31st Dec or 1st January, sorry for the delay.

    still have not started looking at riders

    oh dear
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    « Reply #22 on: December 28, 2014, 21:33 »
    My team is ready and I'm not going to make any changes barring injury or suspensions
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    « Reply #23 on: December 28, 2014, 21:33 »
    still have not started looking at riders

    oh dear
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    Re: 2015 CQ Ranking Manager
    « Reply #24 on: December 29, 2014, 17:57 »
    Skids did you get my team

    I sent it in a couple of days ago

    Sorry jsg, I just overlooked this post, and I guess I didn't PM you back, which I have tried to do with everyone. I guess I'm just a little rusty at this early stage; I've got my game face on now though and am ready to go! Send me your teams, all!
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    Re: The 2015 CQ Ranking Manager Thread
    « Reply #25 on: December 29, 2014, 19:20 »
    Youth CQ game thread will go up on 31st Dec or 1st January, sorry for the delay.

    While the Emerging Riders game will probably be on line on 3rd Jan, closing date end of January.
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    Re: The 2015 CQ Ranking Manager Thread
    « Reply #26 on: December 29, 2014, 19:31 »
    Collective team sent


    and threw together a personal team, 80% fangirl 15% must pick 5% random low points guys

    Now Youth, emerging rider and decline
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  • skidmark

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    Re: The 2015 CQ Ranking Manager Thread
    « Reply #27 on: December 31, 2014, 22:00 »
    Hey, so I've gotten the final, official update from CQ that came out today. There were changes made, and also small races that happened between the last update in November and now. Here is the updated 'create your team' spreadsheet with the official numbers that will be used for the game. https://www.dropbox.com/s/v89ptm3do2l09cm/Create%20Your%20Team%202015.xls?dl=0


    Be sure to use it to check; I have also updated the link in post #1 of this thread to reflect these changes. Currently 4 of the 19 teams submitted before today have been put over 7500 points by these changes - all of these people will receive PMs today.

    On a related note, if your team is over the 7500 limit (because of changes in CQ points if it was submitted before the final update, or because of miscalculation on your part) I will send you a PM and you will have the chance to change your team up to the deadline - since many teams are submitted in the final day I may not notice this until after the deadline if there's a backlog to process. So if you're handing in last minute, it's especially imperative that you be careful that you're using the right numbers. If your team is over and I haven't heard your changes by deadline time, I will simply remove one rider that brings you below 7500 while keeping you closest to it.
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    Re: The 2015 CQ Ranking Manager Thread
    « Reply #28 on: December 31, 2014, 23:08 »
    Hey, so I've gotten the final, official update from CQ that came out today. There were changes made, and also small races that happened between the last update in November and now. Here is the updated 'create your team' spreadsheet with the official numbers that will be used for the game. https://www.dropbox.com/s/v89ptm3do2l09cm/Create%20Your%20Team%202015.xls?dl=0


    Be sure to use it to check; I have also updated the link in post #1 of this thread to reflect these changes. Currently 4 of the 19 teams submitted before today have been put over 7500 points by these changes - all of these people will receive PMs today.

    On a related note, if your team is over the 7500 limit (because of changes in CQ points if it was submitted before the final update, or because of miscalculation on your part) I will send you a PM and you will have the chance to change your team up to the deadline - since many teams are submitted in the final day I may not notice this until after the deadline if there's a backlog to process. So if you're handing in last minute, it's especially imperative that you be careful that you're using the right numbers. If your team is over and I haven't heard your changes by deadline time, I will simply remove one rider that brings you below 7500 while keeping you closest to it.

    Thanks!
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    Re: The 2015 CQ Ranking Manager Thread
    « Reply #29 on: January 02, 2015, 02:48 »
    Alright! Things are picking up, I expect the next few days to be not much other than entering teams etc. So far I've got 27 entries, 10 from VR and 17 from CN; gotta say, I really love the enthusiasm for the game at this site, that's a pretty good showing so far. Anyway, just had a moment of calm in between all the spreadsheet stuff I'm trying to do (plus picking my teams for the youth game and other CQ games coming up) and wanted to express my appreciation for you guys playing again this year. Let's try to spread the word in the last few days so we can maybe get some new players!
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