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Re: 1/3 of Team Sky riders have Asthma?
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2014, 04:21 »
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From his work with cyclists, Dickinson says, surprising numbers carry inhalers in the back pockets of their jerseys: “Cognitively, the inhaler can give you the confidence to push yourself that little bit more. Sometimes a rider will know a climb is coming, so they take a couple of puffs.”

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    Re: 1/3 of Team Sky riders have Asthma?
    « Reply #2 on: December 29, 2014, 08:29 »
    we would need to see this in comparison, generally 1/3 sounds like a relatively small number to me. From back in the 90's I remember more or less everyone competing on top level "having Asthma" - has this changed meanwhile?
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    Re: 1/3 of Team Sky riders have Asthma?
    « Reply #3 on: December 29, 2014, 08:33 »
    Another engraved slab for the veritable pantheon of Radcliffe apologia...

    Still though, good to see that the researchers actually tested for asthma rather than just counting how many athletes were using inhalers. ;)

    Difficult to draw the line between therapy and enhancement with inhalers but I was pleasantly surprised by some of the more literate comments below the article. Seems there is greater awareness of the PED-asthma issues than I thought.
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    Re: 1/3 of Team Sky riders have Asthma?
    « Reply #4 on: December 29, 2014, 08:37 »
    Wonder what the rate is in the rest of the peloton?

    but sports asthma is just a normal process of the body airway system when under exclusive loads. So tgere will be a physiological help and placebo as well.

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    Re: 1/3 of Team Sky riders have Asthma?
    « Reply #5 on: December 29, 2014, 12:04 »
    It looks like a sensational headline for the uninformed. But 1/3 isn't as much as I would have thought.

    If it's genuine sports asthma, the riders have TUEs, and the inhalers are used sparingly and only when actually needed to not fall off the bike - fine with me.

    The problem is that many riders will
    - have a complicit doctor 'diagnose' 'asthma' for performance enhancement
    - use their inhaler whenever they think they could need an extra push
    - do all of the above
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    Re: 1/3 of Team Sky riders have Asthma?
    « Reply #6 on: December 29, 2014, 14:27 »
    This reads far more like a response to conditions than a medical condition as such.  Some people are very susceptible to altitude sickness, while others can fly in and out of cities like La Paz and Quito without any reaction: the altitude sickness suffered by the first group would not be considered an illness.  We could perhaps less controversially rename this response with asthma-like consequences as Chlorine Rich  And Cold Air Rapid Intake Breathlessness Syndrome (CRACARIBS). 

    So we are told that 50% of cross country skiers experience CRACARIBS, or that 70% of swimmers do.  Does this actually mean anything more than that 50% of people would suffer it if they tried to do cross country skiing, or swimming in a near empty, and less well heated, pool?  Altitude sickness affects those who are otherwise very fit and healthy, so why should CRACARIBS not.  And so 30% of any sample of people might find that cycling up Mount Teide in December is sufficient to triggers CRACARIBS. 

    And I would have to say that, although it was never tested, I was certainly aware of a breathlessness when herringbone stepping up nursery ski slopes or clearing driveways after a snowfall.  (I am also left exhausted by swimming a couple of lengths of a swimming pool, but I would put that down to incredibly inefficient technique and dislike of submerging my face)  So although I have not been an altitude sickness sufferer, I am evidently susceptible to CRACARIBS.  That does not mean that I am a potential WT cyclist or Olympic swimmer, but that a proportion of those people, like a proportion of us, are CRACARIBS-prone.
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    Re: 1/3 of Team Sky riders have Asthma?
    « Reply #7 on: December 29, 2014, 14:42 »
    CRACARIBS

    WTF?  :lol  :o

    I know a guy who recently fell off his bike on a wet descent and broke a couple of ribs. And that is the first thing I thought of when I saw this.

    Carry on...  :P
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    Re: 1/3 of Team Sky riders have Asthma?
    « Reply #8 on: December 29, 2014, 15:25 »
    And I would have to say that, although it was never tested, I was certainly aware of a breathlessness when herringbone stepping up nursery ski slopes or clearing driveways after a snowfall.  (I am also left exhausted by swimming a couple of lengths of a swimming pool, but I would put that down to incredibly inefficient technique and dislike of submerging my face)  So although I have not been an altitude sickness sufferer, I am evidently susceptible to CRACARIBS.  That does not mean that I am a potential WT cyclist or Olympic swimmer, but that a proportion of those people, like a proportion of us, are CRACARIBS-prone.
    Yes. Cycling up the Stelvio, once I got above 2000 m, I had to stop every km or so to catch my breath and get the heartrate to more manageable levels.
    If I had to do it at race pace, an inhaler would certainly come in very handy.
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    Re: 1/3 of Team Sky riders have Asthma?
    « Reply #9 on: December 29, 2014, 21:51 »
    Yes. Cycling up the Stelvio, once I got above 2000 m, I had to stop every km or so to catch my breath and get the heartrate to more manageable levels.
    If I had to do it at race pace, an inhaler would certainly come in very handy.
    But you're describing a very different issue, no?

    Asthma-related issues should have to do with a constriction of the airway. You seem to be describing the effects of less oxygen at altitude.

    When I've gone skiing in the mountains of Utah, I experienced the same thing. Going downhill was fine, but if I had to work my way uphill to retrieve a dropped ski pole, or to change course, I was winded and out of breath almost immediately.

    Under such circumstances, I can't imagine that an inhaler would provide any benefit whatsoever (unless it was a large one filled with oxygen).
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    Re: 1/3 of Team Sky riders have Asthma?
    « Reply #10 on: December 30, 2014, 09:31 »
    It looks like a sensational headline for the uninformed. But 1/3 isn't as much as I would have thought.

    If it's genuine sports asthma, the riders have TUEs, and the inhalers are used sparingly and only when actually needed to not fall off the bike - fine with me.

    The problem is that many riders will
    - have a complicit doctor 'diagnose' 'asthma' for performance enhancement
    - use their inhaler whenever they think they could need an extra push
    - do all of the above
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