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Re: Tom Danielson popped
« Reply #60 on: August 08, 2015, 13:44 »
The human mind is capable of amazing feats of self-deception and denial of reality. ;)

Indeed it is. Yes, indeed.

sorry - but a guy who has already shown to have lied for a very long period of his career, and only got caught / forced into admission towards the end ... and not really punished -  that person for mine doesnt get much benefit of the doubt after testing posative this time.

There is no way in the world I buy the contaminated supplement story (if that indeed is what he claims)

Yeah - I think the jury of public opinion is against TD - and I think he's worked to earn what he is reaping. Que sera . . .
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    Re: Tom Danielson popped
    « Reply #61 on: August 09, 2015, 21:20 »
    I post this here, since Danielson/Cannondale are involved

    https://www.twitter.com/Thundergusset/status/630266809351053312

    https://www.twitter.com/Thundergusset/status/630267283168997376

    https://www.twitter.com/Thundergusset/status/630267529458524160

    I would no be pessimistic about Dombro. it´s not like everybody knows he´s doped (as peole knew when Danielson began winning)

    I am very very glad he won and his Cannondale team got their breath back

    Maybe I am too optimistic?

    Are we fans stupid?  ;)
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    Re: Tom Danielson popped
    « Reply #62 on: August 09, 2015, 22:41 »
    Maybe I am too optimistic?

    Are we fans stupid?  ;)

    It's only the Tour of Utah. Even Frank Schleck could hold the pace there.

    Call me when he wins the Giro.
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    Re: Tom Danielson popped
    « Reply #63 on: August 09, 2015, 23:22 »
    I post this here, since Danielson/Cannondale are involved

    https://www.twitter.com/Thundergusset/status/630266809351053312

    https://www.twitter.com/Thundergusset/status/630267283168997376

    https://www.twitter.com/Thundergusset/status/630267529458524160

    I would no be pessimistic about Dombro. it´s not like everybody knows he´s doped (as peole knew when Danielson began winning)

    I am very very glad he won and his Cannondale team got their breath back

    Maybe I am too optimistic?

    Are we fans stupid?  ;)

    Nah. Anyone who has followed Joe's career is not surprise by his performance.

    Those tweets, on the other hand, are stupid.
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    Re: Tom Danielson popped
    « Reply #64 on: August 10, 2015, 00:30 »
    so someone we already know has a bucketload of talent wins a sh*t small race in some backwater USA .... but because he is from Garmin who desperately need a win his performance is automatically suspect?

    Winning doesnt necessarily make a performance dodgy.     

    This kind of attitude is where the fans get a bad reputation ...
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    Re: Tom Danielson popped
    « Reply #65 on: August 10, 2015, 00:49 »
    so someone we already know has a bucketload of talent wins a sh*t small race in some backwater USA .... but because he is from Garmin who desperately need a win his performance is automatically suspect?

    Winning doesnt necessarily make a performance dodgy.     

    This kind of attitude is where the fans get a bad reputation ...

    Exactly.

    The outrage machine knows a lot about screaming but little about bike racing

    New interview with JV

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/a-rough-road-for-cyclings-clean-team-1439161583?tesla=y
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    Re: Tom Danielson popped
    « Reply #66 on: August 10, 2015, 08:59 »
    Everyone in cycling knows Vaughters' magical hugs can do wonders.

    Think Sky overtrained the kid.
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    Re: Tom Danielson popped
    « Reply #67 on: August 10, 2015, 14:40 »
    Everyone in cycling knows Vaughters' magical hugs can do wonders.

    Think Sky overtrained the kid.

    Hard for Sky to overtrain him when he could not train. After issues for over a year he had surgery for iliac artery endofibrosis last August.
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    Re: Tom Danielson popped
    « Reply #68 on: August 10, 2015, 14:48 »
    Everyone in cycling knows Vaughters' magical hugs can do wonders.

    Think Sky overtrained the kid.

    Overtraining or not (or not even training), judging by these texts to/from JV, Slipstream seems to be a better fit for Dombrowski than the one-man, one-goal, no questions asked mentality of Sky.

    https://twitter.com/Vaughters/status/630162475300720643
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    Re: Tom Danielson popped
    « Reply #69 on: August 10, 2015, 19:49 »
    News on the topic of TD:

    http://velonews.competitor.com/2015/08/news/the-test-that-caught-tom-danielson_381086

    only adds the info as to what type of test it was - but this is something that I had not seen elsewhere.
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    Re: Tom Danielson popped
    « Reply #70 on: August 13, 2015, 13:51 »
    talking about Garmin-JV and co, matthew cooke has been vocal about that

    here´s some view (pasted from the Other Side  ;) )

    last part is theraceradio´s

    1.
    Cooke is as much a hypocrite as the rest. He was on Navigators(considered the dirty team in the US) but does anybody remember him busting their balls at the time? buddies with Phil Z and all. Or team Exergy where he was team-mates with one of the few US riders from that era who escaped any punishment, Fred Rodriguez. Did he ever call him out? From what I hear, Cooke was desperate to get a European gig but only started producing results into his 30s so nobody was interested. Clearly the rejection stung so he had to find another way to become relevant. I don't ever recall him being vocal on doping before last year.

    2.
    Claims he didnt know about doping on Navigators, which is crazy because it seems like EVERYONE knew about that. But as a young guy who spent 1 year on a very diverse team, I imagine if he did suspect, he never got anything concrete.
    The Zajicek friendship is pretty bad and looks way worse than Gaimon and TD's little honeymoon.
    He is basically living the anti-doping catch-22, he shut-up and took his paycheck, now he can claim he was screwed cuz he doesn't get the paycheck.
    He still won't name names or give specifics....so what is it worth?????

    3. (raceradio)
    Talked to one of Cooke's old teammates last week. He was laughing at Matt's new found clean babble. Said he always thought Matt was doping. Called him Mr Omerta, said everyone thought he was a doper. He was not just Phil Z's friend, he was his roommate when Phil was buying EPO from Papp. I think he might even be working for him now. He defended Phil aggressively even though he knew Phil was lying.
    I fell for Cooke's fable for a while. Glad I found out the real story. What a weirdo
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    Re: Tom Danielson popped
    « Reply #71 on: August 14, 2015, 19:56 »
    Testosterone is an interesting substance. Not everyone response well to it , while others respond very well to it. Maybe TD is one of those guys that saw good results with it and though it would be his best chance for getting a ride next year as he was not going to be resigned by Cannondale.

    Test is not something that you use once or twice. To get a benefit from it you need to use it for a couple months. I expect USADA will go back and test any TD samples from the last couple months to see if there is a pattern.

    The research I have done so far does not support supplement contamination. If it was a test precursor perhaps but I can't recall actual test being in a supplement.


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    Re: Tom Danielson popped
    « Reply #72 on: August 14, 2015, 21:20 »
    Danielson has been searching the web for the last almost two weeks to search for a Chinese supplement WITH testosterone, so all will be fine.

    He shouldnt have because he is done, it was his time. Maybe he can keep his prize bride but that's that.

    Life sometimes sucks for born liars. It is called a reality check.

    [I knew he was a doper way back because Dutch Anchorman Smeets was building him up to be the 'next Lance', that said enough, Mart had a good eye for dopers, he was just too chickensh*t to call them out]

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    Re: Tom Danielson popped
    « Reply #73 on: August 20, 2015, 20:49 »
    I was disappointed that he stopped at number 3. I wanted to see the top 2 excuses!
    He's at it again! :cool
    https://twitter.com/TheDPate/status/634451914856525824
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    Re: Tom Danielson popped
    « Reply #74 on: September 24, 2015, 07:40 »
    https://twitter.com/DearWiggo/status/646887855315251201

    Cat meet pigeons and all that

    Can not see JV taking him back, can see him wanting back via the court system as much as the original bust was a watershed moment for JV and Garmin what happens now may be more interesting 
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    Re: Tom Danielson popped
    « Reply #75 on: September 24, 2015, 08:56 »
    Maybe Bianchi is using hiphop slang?  ;)
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    Re: Tom Danielson popped
    « Reply #76 on: September 24, 2015, 11:35 »
    https://twitter.com/DearWiggo/status/646887855315251201

    Cat meet pigeons and all that

    Can not see JV taking him back, can see him wanting back via the court system as much as the original bust was a watershed moment for JV and Garmin what happens now may be more interesting


    the most he can get is getting his wages paid until the end of this year. he has no contract with Cannondale-Garmin for 2016 (or at least, we do not know about anything officially signed)

    http://www.procyclingstats.com/rider/Thomas_Danielson
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    Re: Tom Danielson popped
    « Reply #77 on: September 24, 2015, 18:09 »
    https://twitter.com/DearWiggo/status/646887855315251201

    Cat meet pigeons and all that

    Can not see JV taking him back, can see him wanting back via the court system as much as the original bust was a watershed moment for JV and Garmin what happens now may be more interesting

    Only thing I can imagine is he's been able to prove no-fault contamination, because a B-sample negative is too unlikely.

    I agree though, can't see him coming back all is forgotten. Doesn't seem like there's an appetite for it at Garmin-Cannondale especially after how his positive didn't really seem like the end of the world after all.
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    Re: Tom Danielson popped
    « Reply #78 on: September 24, 2015, 19:33 »
    Let's be honest, Tom D was washed up as a World Tour rider long before this positive test. If he was/is going to have any future success in his career his only hope is the US domestic circuit.
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    Re: Tom Danielson popped
    « Reply #79 on: September 24, 2015, 21:58 »


    Doesn't seem like there's an appetite for it at Garmin-Cannondale especially after how his positive didn't really seem like the end of the world after all.

    Given the number - and quality - of JV's signing this year, I'm not even sure there's a role for him on the squad. Dope test or not...

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    Re: Tom Danielson popped
    « Reply #80 on: September 25, 2015, 00:20 »
    Even if he got off

    - his team wont takehim back;   and
    - his reputation wont recover as people still believe he doped this time as well


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    Re: Tom Danielson popped
    « Reply #81 on: September 25, 2015, 01:54 »
    I would prefer that Tommy D go away forever........but if/when he beats this the conspiracy theories will be glorious.  :o

    Think Micheal Rogers times Eleventy billion
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    Re: Tom Danielson popped
    « Reply #83 on: October 21, 2015, 05:21 »
    found this in the JV clinic thread on the "other side"
    post a bout Matt Cooke (so it is related to TD and JV)


    I’m the ex-Cooke-teammate who spoke to Race Radio a while back. I’m doing this anonymously because I think the main reason Matt is doing this is to keep his name in the news and inflate his career post-mortum. I don’t want to do the same, I have no need to promote myself.

    I’ve gotten pretty fed up with Matt’s twitter rants over the last year and it was good to see that others felt the same. pmcg76 seems to be the most in the know about Matt of anyone on this board. Apparently Matt’s new found anti-doping status is rubbing multiple people the wrong way because of the hypocrisy behind it. Here is what I know about domestic cycling’s new anti-doping hero:

    -Started as a pro on Navigators and knew full well that he had teammates doping, yet stood by and cashed his checks
    -Lived with Phil Z when Phil was buying from Papp, maybe Joe can let us know whether Phil was “eating for two"
    -Defended Phil vehemently after Phil was popped.
    -USADA contacted ex teammates of Matt's while investigating Matt around the time of the Phil bust. It was pretty clear to me that Matt himself was not cooperating.
    -Was coached by Tyler Hamilton for a brief time and defended Tyler pretty adamantly, which really doesnt line up with how he views DZ, CVV etc. I’m pretty sure they were riding together in some of the 60 minutes footage.

    Personally, it is my belief that Matt liked a little hot sauce here and there, if it wasnt a regular staple of his diet. He’s a strange kid and a 180 on doping to keep his name in the spotlight doesnt surprise me in the slightest. Based on some other stories, which don't pertain to cycling, he didn't strike me as a person of such high moral standards that he wouldn't dope. Quite the opposite in fact.

    His Zajicek connection is by far the most hypocritical thing about this whole rant he is on. Just compare and contrast him with Gaimon who he has been highly critical of. Both had teammates/friends who had already been popped once, and got popped again. Gaimon expressed surprise and disbelief. Matt expressed pure defensiveness and not a bit of surprise. At least Gaimon’s reaction suggests that he wasn’t in the know about TD (hard to believe as that may be.) Matt’s reaction suggests he was fully aware and condoned Zajicek’s indiscretions.

    I don’t know Gaimon that well other than talking with him in the peloton over the years, but he seemed incredibly genuine and was by far one of the nicest guys out there. That being said, there was only one cyclist that I was 100% sure was clean when I was racing and it was myself. There are a lot who fall into the 99% category, but you can only be 100% sure of what you put in your own body. I think it’s pretty stupid to put faith in people you dont even know. Guys have teammates who are doping and they arent aware of it, how the hell are fans supposed to know. I just hate seeing people who want to see a clean sport put their faith in some phony trying to stay relevant.

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    Re: Tom Danielson popped
    « Reply #84 on: October 21, 2015, 21:55 »
    Anybody have any reasonable guess who "anonymous" "Magic Matt" is? Meaning is this poster only "anonymous" in theory? The post reads like honesty, but that might be because it validates what I believe to be the real-life situation.

    Interesting to read, tho.

    Thanks for sharing. I just hate going over to CN any more. I dropped in for one mechanical post, but only because bustedknuckle and guiseppi magnetico still post over there.
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    Re: Tom Danielson popped
    « Reply #85 on: October 21, 2015, 22:03 »
    Anybody have any reasonable guess who "anonymous" "Magic Matt" is?
    No idea.
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    Re: Tom Danielson popped
    « Reply #86 on: October 21, 2015, 23:38 »
    Anybody have any reasonable guess who "anonymous" "Magic Matt" is?

    Magic Matt sounds like a stripper name  :lol
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    Re: Tom Danielson popped
    « Reply #87 on: October 22, 2015, 03:09 »
    Magic Matt sounds like a stripper name  :lol

    Hey! YOU're the dude he says he talked to!  But, yeah, it does sound - well - dramatic, I guess.
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    Re: Tom Danielson popped
    « Reply #88 on: October 23, 2015, 23:17 »
    Tommy D's excuse for testing positive will be very entertaining. Only thing missing is Bigfoot.
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    Re: Tom Danielson popped
    « Reply #89 on: October 25, 2015, 06:30 »
    Tommy D's excuse for testing positive will be very entertaining. Only thing missing is Bigfoot.
    It MUST have something to do with crazy adaptive Inuit physiology!

    How long does it take to do a B - sample test anyways?

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