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but he doesnt really like the Tour much, and BMC are focussed on TJ for that anyway.

He wants 5 monuments, and he needs to get his sh*t together and focus on RVV and give PR a go if he ever wants to get there.

This 'sharing' and everyone has a turn and leaving stuff for others to lead is crap.  Its not the way he rides.    :D
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    but he doesnt really like the Tour much, and BMC are focussed on TJ for that anyway.

    He wants 5 monuments, and he needs to get his sh*t together and focus on RVV and give PR a go if he ever wants to get there.

    This 'sharing' and everyone has a turn and leaving stuff for others to lead is crap.  Its not the way he rides.    :D

    then he will be next to be moved on ;)

    he should watch his back :p

    but this is the same news every year at about the same time fwiw

    But I don´t expect him to ride P-R and a small chance of RvV in 2015
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    seriously - if they wont give him a shot at RVV and PR ... he should indeed move on.

    There are plenty of teams that will build completely around him. 
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    seriously - if they wont give him a shot at RVV and PR ... he should indeed move on.

    There are plenty of teams that will build completely around him.

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    Back to Lotto, I reckon. ;) That team lacks a standout leader to get behind.

    Sprinting for Greipel is very specific
    Gallopin has only limited room for improvement
    Roelandts is not a winner
    Vandendert hasn't sparkled for years
    VDB2 and Monfort focus exclusively on stage racing
    Wellens is still a couple more seasons off greatness

    I would say Lotto's biggest problem would be Gilbert's salary but his expectations might be a bit more modest after a couple of modest years.
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    possibility.  He didnt leave Lotto on bad terms (though bad with Omego Pharma so no chance of going to OPQS :D )

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    Gilbert's best races are in the Ardennes, but I can appreciate him wanting to win all monuments. And he is a big enough rider that he should be able to pick and choose in terms of races.

    Still, I can't see him win Roubaix ever to be honest. MSR will be tough too, especially with Sagan, Kristoff and Degenkolb not going anywhere. He would have a good chance at the Ronde though, if in top form.
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    MSR is one of those funny races that you have to be there ... every year ... in tip top shape, and just hope that this year, finally, the breaks happen for you.

    But one thing is sure - if you dont go for it, its never going to happen.

    RVV I feel if he tries enough times, he will win it. 

    PR - I dunno.  But he needs to start actually racing it if he is ever going to have a go at winning it in the future.
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    Belgium's Vélo d'Or award equivalent is the Vélo de Cristal and it was presented last night to BMC's Greg Van Avermaet.

    Teammate Philippe Gilbert had made the trip up from Monaco and declared himself surprised by the result:

    "Logically, my victories and my ranking as top Belgian on the WorldTour would make me the winner. But you can't be loved by everyone.

    "Since my 2011 season, the demands on me are considerable. People expect ever greater things but I'm still putting in all the work as best I can. Greg Van Avermaet has had a consistent season and he's ridden more in Belgium, in the Flemish Classics, so that will have gotten him in the good books of those who voted ... Nor was I at the Tour but I wasn't on holiday either. My end of season proved I was fresh and ready for whatever race I rode."

    http://www.lesoir.be/711915/article/sports/cyclisme/2014-11-19/velo-cristal-pour-van-avermaet (FR)
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    hmm

    If I wasnt a fan I would say  :Poo: to him.   That is pretty ... umm ... less than gracious.


    But I am a good little fan girl, so i wont say such things of course 
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    hmm

    If I wasnt a fan I would say  :Poo: to him.   That is pretty ... umm ... less than gracious.


    But I am a good little fan girl, so i wont say such things of course
    I'm not, so I will. :P
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    Gilbert finally gets a win
    « Reply #191 on: June 04, 2016, 01:33 »
    Tour of Luxembourg - stage 2.

    against huge names such as Mauits Lammertink, Alex Kirsch and Romain Hardy   :D


    He is 2nd on GC so may even win an overall race too   :o
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    Re: Gilbert finally gets a win
    « Reply #192 on: June 04, 2016, 08:21 »
    against huge names such as Maurits Lammertink, Alex Kirsch and Romain Hardy   :D
    Lammertink isn't a big name yet, but could become one.
    And Kirsch is on an upward trajectory this year - overshadowed by the even better Mads Pedersen, but definitely one to watch.
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    Re: Gilbert finally gets a win
    « Reply #193 on: June 04, 2016, 08:24 »
    AG why did you create a thread for this ? :P
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    Re: Gilbert finally gets a win
    « Reply #194 on: June 04, 2016, 10:06 »
    its been such a long time since he won that I thought it was noteworthy enough for a thread on its own :lol
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    I like that.




    There ain't no small victories, on the profesionnal circuit. And certainly not on the Tour of Luxembourg, a historical race. On some boards, people don't get that. Well said, Phil.  :cool

    From La dernière heure, Sat. June 24 2016.
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    "Paris-Roubaix is the biggest cycling race in the world, bigger than the Tour de France, bigger than any other bike race" (Sir Bradley Wiggins)

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    Today's Het Laatste Nieuws & De Morgen

    Chance is that Philippe Gilbert makes his come back at the Tour of Flanders in 2017. His agenda will be set up in December during the first team training session but the first discussion between the rider and the team management seems positive for everybody regarding that idea.

    It's impossible to race all Flemish and Walloon classics but combining a certain amount of them is doable. Phil could race the Tour of Flanders and Amstel Gold but it begs the question whether he can extend his form to Liège-Bastogne if he already had peaked for Flanders.

     ;)
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    time to resurrect this thread I think  :lol


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    3 Days de Panne




    Tour of Flanders



    Amstel Gold Race


    Add this to podiums at E3 and DDV  -  pretty good spring.


    Such a shame he couldnt go through to LBL - get well soon Phil 
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    and I love what Cycling News said about him

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    The superlatives rolled off the tongue on Sunday as Philippe Gilbert made a world-class break look rather ordinary in the final stages of Amstel Gold Race. The Belgian was everywhere – on the attack, on the front, in the wind, and even on the deck at one point – but after his solo demolition at the Tour of Flanders this was an altogether different assault through the hills of Limburg. First, he followed the accelerations of Tiesj Benoot and Sergio Henao, before matching the late attack from Michal Kwiatkowski with the most decisive move of the race. Gilbert was simply unstoppable and the writing was on the wall when the cameras panned across the leading pair with a few kilometres to go. The Team Sky rider’s shoulders were beginning to drop, as he was visibly struggling for air, his cheeks puffed out with the effort, while Gilbert, on the other hand, looked immense. Even when he allowed Kwiatkowski a head start in the sprint, it mattered little, and the way he finished the race suggested that he had more in the tank. For all those superlatives that the television commentators pulled from their suitcases of courage, the measure of Gilbert’s victory was summed up by Kwiatkowski, who acknowledged that he no answer to the Belgian’s might. “Beaten by the better rider.” Enough said.


    the rest of it is worth reading too  ;)

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/5-conclusions-from-amstel-gold-race/
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    The truth is part of that I guess.  Flanders does not and will never suit him as well as the Ardennes does, and he will never feel for the race what he feels for Liege.

    In addition - he doesnt have the ability to do what Cancellara or Boonen can do and do a 40+km solo to win ...


    reading back in this thread - me in 2013  :fp
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    lol

    Phil stops mid race to have photos with fans ... and still finishes 2nd on the stage and moves into the leaders jersey    :lol

    http://www.cyclingweekly.com/videos/watch/watch-philippe-gilbert-stops-mid-race-pose-photos-fans
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    With Milan-Sanremo and Paris-Roubaix in the Back of His Mind

    (Le Soir 8 August 2017)




    Philippe Gilbert has extended for two years with Quick Step

    The Belgian rider capitalised on his beautiful spring to negociate a new contract.

    He will target classics and will lead the youngsters of the Belgian team.


    The love story continues between Philippe Gilbert and Quick Step Floors. As planned for several weeks the 2012 World Champion has extended his contract with Patrick Lefevere's team. The winner of the Tour of Flanders, of Amstel Gold, of the Three-Days of De Panne, of a stage in the Tour of Switzerland (to be continued) has of course seduced the big boss with his baffling spring, a successful come-back while the end of his term with BMC was characterised by boredom and isolation. He brilliantly took up the challenge while taking the risk to just sign for a mere season. At age 35, the Walloon rider has probably negociated the last major contract of his career.

    Great Ambitions for 2018

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    It was a dream to extend my contract and after winning the Tour of Flanders and Amstel Gold, I knew it was possible. I am super happy to go on for two years with Quick Step Floors. I'm sure I still can win nice races and that I will have my chances. It would be a dream to win races like Paris-Roubaix or Milan-Sanremo with this team. That is also the reason I signed for two years. In order to increase my chances to achieve that.

    After the extensions of Fernando Gaviria, Bob Jungels and Julian Alaphilippe, Lefevere's team is keeping yet another big fish.

    Quick Step Floors' CEO explains:
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    We knew about Philippe Gilbert's skills when he arrived and we were very happy to see him show them many times throughout the season. So I don't see this contract as a surprise. Philippe is not just a major asset for the team and a smart rider who get results but he's also somebody whom many of our youngsters could learn a lot from and who they can admire.

    The Walloon rider has one of the nicest palmares in Belgian cycling... [rest is a reminder of his pre 2017 which you all know  ;)]


     
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    I hope he wins both (Milano-Sanremo/Paris-Roubaix). Riders like him define a generation.
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    I hope he wins both (Milano-Sanremo/Paris-Roubaix). Riders like him define a generation.

    as I can only like it once, I will quote  :P
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    Just made a comparison in my mind between Phil and some of the all-time greatest classic riders in terms of diversity.

    Of course the classics have changed over time but still most of them remain. So since the sixties we've had: Milan-Sanremo, Tour of Flanders, Ghent-Wevelgem, Paris-Roubaix, the Walloon Arrow, Liège-Bastogne-Liège, Paris-Tours, World Championships, Amstel Gold and Paris-Brussels. The others would rather be semi-classics or else are too recent to compare. Even Amstel Gold evolved over time into a genuine classics while Paris-Brussels gradually lost its status and has even shamelessly been turned into a radically different race now. Also Bordeaux-Paris used to be a classic but lost its status a long way back and no longer exists now.

    Rik Van Looy is famous for winning ALL single-day classics of his time. He never won Amstel Gold which was introduced 4 years before he retired when he was aged 33. And never won Bordeaux-Paris which was already demoted but he could've won it in 1957 for example.

    Eddy Merckx won every classic but Paris-Tours and Bordeaux-Paris which he never entered (OK none of the riders I'll list here ever won Bordeaux-Paris anyway).

    Roger De Vlaeminck has never been World Champion road race at least, never won Ghent-Wevelgem, Amstel Gold nor Paris-Tours

    Francesco Moser neither won the Tour of Flanders, Amstel Gold nor Liège-Bastogne-Liège. I'd put an asterisk on his Milan-Sanremo win but it's on his palmarès. He won Paris-Tours following the disqualification of Gerben Karstens.

    Bernard Hinault never won Milan-Sanremo, Paris-Tours nor the Tour of Flanders.

    Sean Kelly has never been World Champion, never won the Tour of Flanders, never won the Arrow nor Amstel Gold. 

    Philippe Gilbert neither won Ghent-Wevelgem nor Milan-Sanremo but won all the others.

    So in terms of diversity in the classics, only Merckx and Van Looy seem to have outperformed him. Of course all these riders performed better than him in stage races and GT's in particular but those were different eras. Comparing Phil to his contemporaries or even to generation that just preceded him, it's even more striking.  :o


    And guess what all these riders have in common: ... Paris-Roubaix of course !!!!!  :D
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    Let me just expand on this.

    So I'll take the same list of classics:

    Milan-Sanremo, Ghent-Wevelgem, Tour of Flanders, Paris-Roubaix, Amstel Gold Race, Walloon Arrow, Liège-Bastogne-Liège, World Championship road race (in line), Paris-Tours and Tour of Lombardy.

    I should put Bordeaux-Paris in the list up until 1965 as a placeholder for Amstel Gold before the latter was created. It's roughly made though.

    Paris-Brussels was in my opinion a classic up until 1988. Then I'll put Zuri Metzgete as placeholder for the demoted Paris-Brussels up until the last edition in 2006 and Clasica San Sebastian as second placeholder ever since 2007. It's of course disputable but for the ranking below I needed to compare likes and likes.

    So the most prolific classic winners (including Worlds) are:

    1 Eddy Merckx 31 victories
    2 Rik Van Looy 18 victories
    3 Philippe Gilbert 14 victories
    4 Roger De Vlaeminck 13 victories
    4 Jan Raas 13 victories
    6 Fausto Coppi 11 victories
    6 Sean Kelly 11 victories
    6 Tom Boonen 11 victories
    6 Rik Van Steenbergen 11 victories
    10 Bernard Hinault 10 victories
    10 Francesco Moser 10 victories

    Let's not compare Phil to Merckx, Hinault or Coppi because it wouldn't do him justice.

    So Phil is only bested by Merckx and Van Looy. Rik Van Looy was amazing in his era but in my opinion by far not as complete as Gilbert is. Let us remember that most of his wins were bunch sprints: his two World titles, Milan-Sanremo  which he won before the Poggio was added (and of course before the Cipressa was) and the Tour of Lombardy (which then finished at the Vigorelli in Milan with the Ghisallo being way too far from finish). Liège-Bastogne-Liège wasn't really a most coveted classic the year he won (1961) which accounts for the fact that a heavyweight Flandrian like him could win it. His win at the 1968 Walloon Arrow was the crowning of his career, his last major victory, the cherry on the cake but it ended on the Mur de Thuin, which as you know, is a Flandrian-type of climbs. In recent years, if the Arrow was raced on such course, Fabian Cancellara or Tom Boonen would have been contenders. I definitely would give Gilbert an edge over Van Looy despite the latter's charisma.

    Comparing to Roger De Vlaeminck: My classification puts Gilbert above because of the placeholder (San Sebastian). It's of course disputable and we might as well say they won both equally as many classic races because you can easily manipulate the system. In my opinion De Vlaeminck was a better rider than Van Looy because more complete. None of his classic wins were bunch sprints. Only his Liège-Bastogne-Liège and his Tour of Flanders victories were controversial. In Liège, his late brother Erik reputedly capitalised on the roadwork on the entrance to the Velodrome to block Merckx and whistle to signal Roger he could start the sprint. I still believe that Roger was the best rider that day. The 1977 Tour of Flanders is really a controversy because of Freddy Maertens' bike change and subsequently pulling Roger through for the final 50km. Otherwise, obviously Roger was more prolific in stage races, in semi-classics and in terms of high places than Phil. Besides winning four times Paris-Roubaix when the cobbles were in worse condition than nowadays (I think) is a massive performance. Paris-Roubaix remains the greatest of them all.

    Jan Raas was definitely lesser talented than Phil is. Both riders performed best at Amstel Gold but in Raas' era, the race, despite being already considered a classic, was not quite as coveted as it is today and that's why a heavyweight cobble rider like him could still win it. I doubt he could've won it today. Philippe Gilbert on the other hand had the perfect skills on handle that race. Besides both were World Champion in Valkenburg, so in the same area but Raas' title was controversial (too many pushes and a weird sprint), which confirms the fact that he could hardly handle such hard routes when the field is top. For the rest, Jan Raas was too specialised compared to Gilbert. He could never have won Liège-Bastogne-Liège nor Tour of Lombardy for instance.

    Sean Kelly was a greater talent than Gilbert was, great rouleur (ITT) and stage racer. Only his last years and hence last classic wins, especially with PDM have an asterisk, I'm afraid. For the rest, not much to say, Phil can't compare to him.

    Tom Boonen was much less complete than Philippe Gilbert and has a much less diversified palmares since he "only" won on four different races. He never even entered Liège-Bastogne-Liège nor Tour of Lombardy. De Vlaeminck criticised him for that and the Boonen fans bashed De Vlaeminck for that but now Philippe Gilbert showed that it was possible to win both races (albeit not in the same year). Besides Tom was World Champion on a panflat route in Madrid while Gilbert on the great Valkenburg route.

    Rik Van Steenbergen was also probably too heavy for mountain or steep hill stuff but a beast in everything that was flat, with cobbles or short climbs. Also many of his victories were bunch sprints (Milan-Sanremo, Paris-Brussels). He was a huge talent and a beast on the track but also a big waste as he dedicated much of his time to the track which was more profitable. Phil is in my opinion a more honourable champion for that very reason.

    Francesco Moser was a huge rouleur, ITT specialist, which means he had a great motor. So he was a greater talent than Phil was, was great in stage races. However some of his victories were controversial (such as the 1978 Tour of Lombardy or his World title) and his latter wins like the 1984 Milan-Sanremo has an asterisk in my opinion, given his own admition to blood doping.

    So really in my opinion, considering his palmares and the diversity, Philippe Gilbert really has a place among the all-time greatest classic riders that this sport has ever had. Much more so than Tom Boonen. Even Fabian Cancellara has a less diversified palmares in classics (but was an ITT specialist and an amazing rouleur). In my opinion, the greatest classic champion since Sean Kelly! At least the greatest palmares in classics. An old-school type of palmares!

    Actually it's been real shocker to me that he could win Paris-Roubaix. I never thought he could. I still can't believe he did, even a month afterwards. What a stunning achievement! Whether we like him or not, it really should be appreciated at its own value.
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    Thanks Echoes - what a wonderful piece - and yes PR really gives Big Phil a boost in this kind of analysis - and he assures us he is not finished yet...
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    of course he isnt finished.   There is still Milan - San Remo to win !!!!   :D
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