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The Chris Froome thread
« on: October 19, 2015, 23:53 »
We have a thread for why we don't like Froome.
http://velorooms.com/index.php?topic=2583.msg102975#msg102975

We have a dark side thread for Froome.
http://velorooms.com/index.php?topic=1314.msg59781#msg59781

But I do not see a general Chris Froome thread![1] 

Now, I have to say, I am an anti-fan of Froome. I could have just posted this in the "Why I don't like" - but it doesn't really belong there. And, even if I don't like him - and I will say it again - I don't like him - he does deserve a general thread by now.

Unless he EVER gets caught by the Dark Side. Then he will deserve a special place in . . . <<cough, cough>>.

Chris Froome. In the news as "No more Mr. Nice Guy."
http://velonews.competitor.com/2015/10/news/chris-froome-no-more-mr-nice-guy_387944

But, huh? Did I sleep through something? I know some people actually cheer FOR Froome, but I sure missed the times he was a nice guy. I think it was his antics in front of Wiggins that started him off on the wrong foot in my book.

Anyway, fanboyz, take over. Nowz yur chance to say nice things about yur hero. I'm goin' back to my bad cat memes.
 1. But, plz, dear mods, if I somehow missed a general Froome thread, please just move the post? TIA!
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    Re: The Chris Froome thread
    « Reply #1 on: October 20, 2015, 00:54 »
    Chris Froome. In the news as "No more Mr. Nice Guy."

    Not sure what that means, is he going to urinate back at the spectators?

    In all seriousness I reckon this is just a bit of hot air to stay relevant in the off season.
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    Re: The Chris Froome thread
    « Reply #2 on: October 20, 2015, 10:11 »
    Maybe he's proposing to turn into the Hulk and start smashing things if he doesn't get his way? Could be interesting if the rest of his body bulks up like his thighs.
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    Re: The Chris Froome thread
    « Reply #3 on: October 20, 2015, 21:01 »
    It's comforting to see so much Froome-love in here. ;)  I'm sure yur right - it is hot air to fill space. It hooked me tho. Had to read it to find out anything about Froome being a nice guy! 
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    Re: The Chris Froome thread
    « Reply #4 on: October 22, 2015, 15:09 »
     :lol :lol :lol :lol
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    Re: The Chris Froome thread
    « Reply #5 on: June 11, 2017, 00:00 »
    Did anybody ever think Froome was an intelligent person? I seem to recall a lot of comparisons to the general IQ level of a rock, not a glasses-wearing nerd. But I was listening to a podcast interview of Froome after Stage 6 of the Dauphine - and he actually sounds like there might be more upstairs than I previously thought.

    Speaking of a rock, isn't that how Froome used to descend? Lordy, he must have taken some lessons. He was good last year, as I recall, and this Dauphine should give him a rep for downhill.

    I am interested in others' opinion of his general intelligence though. Has he been smarter than he seems all along, or has he just learned how to give good interviews?
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    Re: The Chris Froome thread
    « Reply #6 on: June 11, 2017, 19:09 »
    I am interested in others' opinion of his general intelligence though. Has he been smarter than he seems all along, or has he just learned how to give good interviews?
    It's not a topic I've given much thought so far[1], but I think he's not stupid. He's always had a bit of a nerdy air around himself in my opinion. He's also rather shy, and that made earlier interviews awkward. Over time, he's learned to handle himself better.
     1. pun very much intended
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    Re: The Chris Froome thread
    « Reply #7 on: June 12, 2017, 15:32 »
    It's not a topic I've given much thought so far[1], but I think he's not stupid. He's always had a bit of a nerdy air around himself in my opinion. He's also rather shy, and that made earlier interviews awkward. Over time, he's learned to handle himself better.
     1. pun very much intended

    Yeah, I could see that. I haven't gone back to look at old interviews, but your description  rather fits with what I was taking to be an indication of less mental capacity. I could see it being a shy nerdiness that just left him with awkward answers.

    I don't think I've seen any other riders who have grown (matured) and changed as much as Froome has. Both in public persona, and riding style.
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    Re: The Chris Froome thread
    « Reply #8 on: June 12, 2017, 17:22 »
    I don't know where him not being able to descend came from. His background was MTB so I'd guess it was more of a strength than say for Wiggins or Thomas who came from track. Maybe because he looks so awkward on a bike rather than sketchy downhilling?
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    Re: The Chris Froome thread
    « Reply #9 on: June 12, 2017, 23:26 »
    Yeah, I could see that. I haven't gone back to look at old interviews, but your description  rather fits with what I was taking to be an indication of less mental capacity. I could see it being a shy nerdiness that just left him with awkward answers.

    I don't think I've seen any other riders who have grown (matured) and changed as much as Froome has. Both in public persona, and riding style.

    I usually find it hard to judge people based on interviews with sports journalists and that is more or less all the indirect information I can get about Froome. He has never ever said a word to me. :) Then there are tons of people that say a lot about him and how he is and that may be more or less justified than me saying how I think he is. I am as influenced by what they are saying as I am by Froomes statements in interviews and the way he acts on the road.

    I have noticed that he is remarkably soft-spoken, even when facing harsh and sometimes downright hateful criticisms, he mostly tries to respond in a calm and on-topic way, sometimes with a stroke of self-irony. I don't know if his PR people have teached him to answer like that but he is at least not lowering himself down to the level that some of the more hateful critics are operating on. I could easily see someone else blowing up after 10001 remarks about how poor his style is when riding the bike....from people that might have won a regional or municipal championship for the sub-15 age group, or worse, people like me, who haven't even done that! Beyond doubt we're the most qualified to tell a TdF winner how to ride a bike. To a very large degree, Chris Froome must be able to control his temper.

    Second thing I have noticed is that if one year everybody is writing there is something he can't do - next year he's back significantly better at just that. This year, it's the descents. For 2015 it was cobbles. Next year, I think he'll be back with a credible effort at winning the Giro d'Italia in glacial cold conditions - or (heaven forbid) a one day race, let alone a monument. Like several other top athletes he seems to take motivation from what's supposedly impossible and outside his capacities. Edvald Boasson Hagen has the same relation to Paris-Roubaix: working hard to prove that he can do someothing they said he couldn't do.

    As for intelligence, I don't really know anything about it, save that it seems to work good enough for biike racing victories.

    I still can't say if that



     
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    Re: The Chris Froome thread
    « Reply #10 on: June 13, 2017, 00:51 »
    . . . Beyond doubt we're the most qualified to tell a TdF winner how to ride a bike  . . .

    Oyh. THAT is dead-on and stinging!  :lol

    . . . To a very large degree, Chris Froome must be able to control his temper. . . .

    Ha, You've got that right, and I have to admit that, in spite of wishing I could dismiss him altogether.

    . . .Second thing I have noticed is that if one year everybody is writing there is something he can't do - next year he's back significantly better at just that.  . . .
    Ok, thanks. Its not just me, then, seeing something that isn't there.
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    Re: The Chris Froome thread
    « Reply #11 on: June 13, 2017, 01:42 »
    I don't know where him not being able to descend came from. His background was MTB so I'd guess it was more of a strength than say for Wiggins or Thomas who came from track. Maybe because he looks so awkward on a bike rather than sketchy downhilling?

    perhaps it came from his distinct lack of bike handling skills.

    Whatever the case, he certainly has made a determined effort to improve and it has paid off.  And while I dont think I will ever actually like him much, I certainly have a lot more respect for him this last year or two. 
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    Re: The Chris Froome thread
    « Reply #12 on: June 13, 2017, 08:17 »
    That interview with Kimmage where Froome's wife seemed to answer most of the tough questions for him was a bit of a car crash
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    Re: The Chris Froome thread
    « Reply #13 on: June 13, 2017, 15:38 »
    That interview with Kimmage where Froome's wife seemed to answer most of the tough questions for him was a bit of a car crash
    Oh, ya, oh ya!
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    Re: The Chris Froome thread
    « Reply #14 on: June 16, 2017, 23:39 »
    I've finally watched the last stage of the Dauphine and didn't see much of the rest of the race but to me Froome looked very laboured. He was riding a bigger gear on the climbs than he usually does at the tour which might mean something or it might mean he was doing some sort of training rides at the Dauphine. Whatever happens I think the Tour will be much Closer than we're expecting with lots more riders in the mix I hope
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    Re: The Chris Froome thread
    « Reply #15 on: June 17, 2017, 03:21 »
    I've finally watched the last stage of the Dauphine and didn't see much of the rest of the race but to me Froome looked very laboured. He was riding a bigger gear on the climbs than he usually does at the tour which might mean something or it might mean he was doing some sort of training rides at the Dauphine. Whatever happens I think the Tour will be much Closer than we're expecting with lots more riders in the mix I hope

    He seemed a bit "off" the entire race. Either that, or others were a lot stronger than they normally are. He did his normal high cadence for most of the climbs tho.

    I agree that we will likely see a stronger Froome at the Tour. That's where the money is, and you always follow the money, right?
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    Re: The Chris Froome thread
    « Reply #16 on: July 02, 2018, 22:46 »
    *BUMP* couldn't find another Froome or Sky thread that wasn't intoxicated by various drugs so posting this here:
    I just heard an interview with Sky DS GAbba Rasch in a Norwegian-language cycling podcast. It was a bit surprising to hear, but the #sky / Froome masterplan for this season hasn't been to win both the Giro and the Tour.

    wait for it

    wait

    wait

    He said:

    * The plan for the season has always been to do the Vuelta too *  :S


    Now, 4 GT's in a row = historical, 5 would be almost unprecedented, wouldn' it?  :o
    (disclaimer: #lotto Adam Hansen's lifestyle issues cannot be counted into this)
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    Re: The Chris Froome thread
    « Reply #17 on: July 02, 2018, 23:08 »
    *BUMP* couldn't find another Froome or Sky thread that wasn't intoxicated by various drugs so posting this here:
    I just heard an interview with Sky DS GAbba Rasch in a Norwegian-language cycling podcast. It was a bit surprising to hear, but the #sky / Froome masterplan for this season hasn't been to win both the Giro and the Tour.

    wait for it

    wait

    wait

    He said:

    * The plan for the season has always been to do the Vuelta too *  :S


    Now, 4 GT's in a row = historical, 5 would be almost unprecedented, wouldn' it?  :o
    (disclaimer: #lotto Adam Hansen's lifestyle issues cannot be counted into this)

    and no world championship TT and RR double to go with it? Where is this teams ambition?
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    Re: The Chris Froome thread
    « Reply #18 on: July 02, 2018, 23:15 »
     :D one of the other participants in the podcast had the same comment  :lol
    However, I like all these "they said it couldn't be done" plans. First of all, it is a lot more fun to watch than a 8-year subscription plan for the yellow jersey, and second, even Chris Froome may be human and trying too hard will happen at some point, god knows when.

    Last year he was obviously semi-motivated and less focused compared to Dumoulin at the world championship, right after the Vuelta. IF he was struggling then, with 2 GT's in a year, I have a vague idea trying to win the worlds this year is not going to happen if he rides all 3 GT's.
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    Re: The Chris Froome thread
    « Reply #19 on: July 03, 2018, 01:26 »
    actually I would not be surprised at all if he skips the Vuelta and goes all out for rainbows
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    Re: The Chris Froome thread
    « Reply #20 on: July 03, 2018, 14:04 »
    actually I would not be surprised at all if he skips the Vuelta and goes all out for rainbows
    And likely goes down in flames in Innsbruck.

    His best results in a UCI-ranked one-day race, ever, are a 12th place in the Rio Olympics and an 11th place in the 2010 British championships (the only time he participated).
    Another rung down the ladder are a 28th place in Montreal and a 36th place in LBL (both 2013).

    Of course, this is partly down to the fact that he hardly ever does one-day races - but even when he does them and is going for it, he doesn't end up in the winning moves.
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    Re: The Chris Froome thread
    « Reply #21 on: July 03, 2018, 20:35 »
    *BUMP* couldn't find another Froome or Sky thread that wasn't intoxicated by various drugs so posting this here:
    I just heard an interview with Sky DS GAbba Rasch in a Norwegian-language cycling podcast. It was a bit surprising to hear, but the #sky / Froome masterplan for this season hasn't been to win both the Giro and the Tour.

    wait for it

    wait

    wait

    He said:

    * The plan for the season has always been to do the Vuelta too *  :S


    Now, 4 GT's in a row = historical, 5 would be almost unprecedented, wouldn' it?  :o
    (disclaimer: #lotto Adam Hansen's lifestyle issues cannot be counted into this)

    I'm pretty sure Poels, Bernal or whoever was supposed to lead Team  #sky at the Vuelta (there are 3 GTs a season, so 3 options to lead one, right?) are pleased to hear that. All for Frommey.

    And likely goes down in flames in Innsbruck.

    His best results in a UCI-ranked one-day race, ever, are a 12th place in the Rio Olympics and an 11th place in the 2010 British championships (the only time he participated).
    Another rung down the ladder are a 28th place in Montreal and a 36th place in LBL (both 2013).

    Of course, this is partly down to the fact that he hardly ever does one-day races - but even when he does them and is going for it, he doesn't end up in the winning moves.

    This. Apart from the TT (and I don't think he'll win the rainbow jersey) he has no business in Innsbruck.  Yates have to lead #teamgb.
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    Re: The Chris Froome thread
    « Reply #22 on: July 04, 2018, 00:04 »
    . . . partly down to the fact that he hardly ever does one-day races - but even when he does them and is going for it, he doesn't end up in the winning moves.

    You know, of all the things we've said Froome has improved, I don't think his tactical nous is one of them. I don't really think he has a whole lot of that "sense" of things. When he has really come out ahead on tactics, it has been because the team set him up already. Stage 19 of the Giro is the perfect example. He didn't do that off-the-cuff. That was planned and executed. No thought needed. He's developed some sense of when to attack in the mountains, but he's no artiste, like Contador was. Even Contador had to grow into that role.

    Somebody will surely come along and tell me how wrong I am, and offer counter examples, but ATM, I'm just thinking road tactics is not Froome's strength. Certainly not like Sagan - who seems to SMELL opportunity, rather than see it.

    And you know, actually, thinking about it - this is one of the reason's I DON'T think Froome belongs in the Hall of Legends, even though his win status should earn that. I don't think, that without Sky, Froome would have been any better than, oh, Romain Bardet (although that may be a bit harsh). Every one of his victories has been founded on the strength of his team, not his own. And, up until this year, I've been sitting on the sidelines watching and wondering why the OTHER teams haven't gotten their you-know-what together enough to challenge Sky as a team. Or that we haven't seen other teams colluding, even informally, to overcome. AG2R has had the guts, but not the legs. Everybody else - has been pretty meh. Mitchelton's Giro was magnificent in that regard.
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    Re: The Chris Froome thread
    « Reply #23 on: July 04, 2018, 11:32 »
    ...

    And you know, actually, thinking about it - this is one of the reason's I DON'T think Froome belongs in the Hall of Legends, even though his win status should earn that. ...

    And Indurain?


    I agree with you btw.
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    Re: The Chris Froome thread
    « Reply #24 on: July 04, 2018, 14:17 »
    And Indurain?


    I agree with you btw.
    Indurain[1]. You know, we in the US stopped getting TV coverage soon after LeMond stopped winning. My overriding memory of the Indurain years is that I didn't find them very interesting, and it seemed all a bit predictable. And I was a bit less cosmopolitan myself back then. I haven't gone back to watch the races in detail, but from what I DO remember, I would not come to the conclusion that his team was carrying him. Nor did I ever think that way about Armstrong - in spite of the fact that teamwork, in that era, played far more prominent a role. Rider salaries were going up - so better team members were to be had - and more attention was paid to directing the team, AS a team. It was a time of fundamental change in the sport, in more ways than just the dark-side.

    Maybe I'm wrong, but the feeling I have is that Indurain or Armstrong would have won some of their GTs even if their team had been no stronger than their rivals. Having a strong team helped and probably improved the count. But I don't think Froome would have even one GT win without the strength of Sky. Which speaks to the brilliance of Brailsford and staff, not Froome. But I suppose that is just one guy's opinion, and may, or may not, be well-founded.
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