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Re: The Academy of Cycling
« Reply #180 on: November 29, 2016, 13:41 »
Nikita Stalnov signs for #astana

Using Astana as an example does make you think how tough it is going to be for Cycling Academy to develop Israeli riders that can make their mark on the road.

Astana have been round for 10+ years now, have a much bigger budget, several official and unofficial CT feeder teams through their history (Vino 4ever, Seven Rivers, Astana City) and yet the list of Kazakh names that have come through since the team started is hardly inspiring.

Lutsenko is probably the stand out name then maybe Zeits and Gruzdev.

It's a sobering thought anyway for Bike Geeeek followers.
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #181 on: November 29, 2016, 15:33 »
    It's a sobering thought anyway for Bike Geeeek followers.
    How dare you have such thoughts?
    Get back on the hype train! :angry


    Now, I see where you're coming from.
    But bear in mind that #06astana was at the time born from the necessity to find a sponsor for what was then the team Vino himself was racing for, and has continued in that vein ever since.
    Of course the development of *kz cycling is also part of the team's philosophy - but it takes a distant backseat to making benefit for glorious nation of Kazakhstan (by winning races with big foreign names) and giving Vino a toy to play with.

    For #academy it's the other way around: The team exists to develop *il cycling (and, not to forget, riders from other "non-traditional" cycling nations) first and foremost. Sure, the exploits of Sagiv, Yechezkel, the Goldsteins etc. are given particular attention - but I'm sure the people behind the project won't be any less happy if and when Räim, Lemus, Turek, Perry, Schreurs etc. break through.
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #182 on: November 29, 2016, 20:41 »
    Hype train? It must be somebody else you're thinking of. :slow ;)

    I don't know enough about Kazakh cycling history to know at what level they were at pre-Astana, but they must have had a substantial enough base to produce Vino, Kash etc. Israel seems to have a burgeoning MTBing scene (and that's where most of the current Israeli Academy riders have come from), but even so that must be a lower base and a smaller pool to draw from than from where Kazakhstan started from.

    On the other hand achieving a certain standard for competing in PCT will be easier than it is for the Astana boys. I'm sure quite a few of Kazakhs I've maligned above could replicate their feeder team form if they raced at this lower rung on the ladder.
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #184 on: December 01, 2016, 15:06 »
    https://www.facebook.com/CyclingAcademyTeam/posts/820291561407737

    Carlstrom replaces Nicki as head DS. He started following all of the riders on Twitter a while back, so not much of a surprise.
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #185 on: December 04, 2016, 20:02 »
    Talking of things not being too much of a surprise....

    https://www.facebook.com/CyclingAcademyTeam/posts/822886154481611

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    Israel Cycling Academy team have signed Jose Manual Diaz Gallego, arguably the best young amateur climber from Spain, as their designated number 1 climber, for its first season as a Pro Continental Team.

    We all know how difficult it is to find those riders that can climb a 20 km mountain at the speed that most of us will faint just from THINKING about it.

    So we are happy to have this 21 Spaniard join us. Meet Jose Manuel Diaz Gallego. He actually LIVES on a mountain and climbs 7 km just to reach the dinner table. And he is a great talent although inexperienced: He is the winner of the most important amateur single race in Spain - the Valenciaga - and came 2nd in the Spanish cup.

    Did we gamble on this guy? We sure did. But we are certain he will prove us right!

    I know they don't really have any other climbers other than Lemus now (currently anyway), but the bolded bit does seem very errrrr bold. It's going to be tough to make that transition to races against bigger and better names and the increase in distance.

    If he's a long term signing then saying he's #1 just seems like unneeded pressure.

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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #186 on: December 06, 2016, 05:38 »
    https://twitter.com/PezCycling/status/805778290266947588

    The "low-down" on Cycling Academy from their media director Tsadok Yecheskeli.

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    Two more new riders, a Spaniard and an Australian will be announced in the next two days with the two Israelis to give 16 in total. We’re out to prove we belong at Pro Continental level; not necessarily winning but leaving our mark; being in the breaks, attacking – gambling is in our DNA. Finishing isn’t the thing – it’s showing, trying to win. We know we can’t dominate but we have to try to steal races in the breakaways; that’s the philosophy – attack and try to go for the win!

    I presume the interview was done before the announcement of Diaz otherwise they'll have seventeen riders, so he is the Spaniard and Lowndes is the Australian. Yechezkel is bound to be one of the Israelis and the other is probably one of the Goldsteins.

    No new African unfortunately, but maybe we'll see one or two in the development team.

    Sixteen is the smallest amount of riders that they could have on the team, but they've shown in previous years that they're not averse to bringing in more riders during the year. So I'd expect some from the development team to make the jump if they impress.

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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #187 on: December 07, 2016, 11:30 »
    I presume the interview was done before the announcement of Diaz otherwise they'll have seventeen riders, so he is the Spaniard and Lowndes is the Australian. Yechezkel is bound to be one of the Israelis and the other is probably one of the Goldsteins.
    That's what I think as well.

    No new African unfortunately, but maybe we'll see one or two in the development team.
    About the development team ... haven't heard a bleep on that since back in July (?); I very much hope it's still going ahead.
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #188 on: December 07, 2016, 11:35 »
    I know they don't really have any other climbers other than Lemus now (currently anyway), but the bolded bit does seem very errrrr bold. It's going to be tough to make that transition to races against bigger and better names and the increase in distance.

    If he's a long term signing then saying he's #1 just seems like unneeded pressure.
    When I saw the announcement, I was like "José Manuel who?!", but having looked at his (mostly non-UCI) results, he does seem to be quite good indeed.

    It is a bold statement, yes; but I would hope that something like that would have been discussed with the rider himself, getting him on board before making announcements of this nature.
    It could still be that he overestimates himself, of course - but that's another issue.
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #189 on: December 08, 2016, 18:38 »
    https://twitter.com/bikeGEEEEKS/status/806929857494052864

    Final two spots taken by Yechezkel and Roy Goldstein. I think they were pleased with some of the dom work that Roy did late in the season.

    About the development team ... haven't heard a bleep on that since back in July (?); I very much hope it's still going ahead.

    Gets a mention in the PEZ article, but no details. However we can probably ink in one name, purely from the absence of his name from the main team.
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #190 on: December 11, 2016, 20:03 »


    So, not an altitude training camp then.

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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #191 on: December 14, 2016, 19:29 »


    Some serious training, but is the devo team (or some of them anyway) riding along there too?

    1) 26 riders in the first shot, but only 16 on the main team
    2) 10 2016 Cycling Academy helmets, but they've only re-signed 8
    3) Some kits I don't recognise. One of the ones I do recognise (blue and fuschia sleeves) is an Israeli club kit - Yechezkel was wearing it when he raced against the Academy at the Tour of Arad.
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #192 on: December 14, 2016, 20:39 »
    is the devo team (or some of them anyway) riding along there too?
    I went to the trouble of trying to identify as many of the 26 as I could:

    Number Name
    1 #jumbo van Winden
    2
    3
    4
    5 #axeon Neilands/Williams
    6
    7 #axeon Neilands/Williams
    8 #champee Räim
    9 #academy
    10 #champil Sagiv
    11
    12 #klein Schreurs
    13 #academy
    14
    15 #extremadura Diaz Gallego
    16 #drapac Lowndes
    17
    18 #academy
    19 #bora16 Dempster
    20 #academy
    21 #academy Roy Goldstein?
    22 #silber Perry
    23 #champna Craven
    24 #champmx Lemus
    25
    26 #academy
    I imagine that the two "extra" #academy guys are Omer Goldstein and either Guy Gabay or Zohar Hadari[1].
    The remaining eight could be Israeli club riders that they've invited to the training camp to see where they're at (like #astana invited Korsæth, or #quickstep Halvorsen) - or they're just (club) riders that took the opportunity to hold their own training camp concurrently.
     1. or even all three if one is wearing a different kit already, but that's unlikely
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #193 on: December 14, 2016, 20:52 »
    Oh, and I also made a handy table of all sixteen riders' career so far:
    Name Nat Birth date 2016 2015 2014 2013 2012 2011 2010 2009 2008 2007 2006 2005
    Guillaume Boivin *ca 25/05/1989 #academy CT #optum15 CT #can14 WT #can14 WT #spidertech PCT #spidertech PCT #spidertech CT #ardennes09 Nat
    Dan Craven *na 01/02/1983 #academy CT #europcar PCT #europcar WT #baku CT #igsigma CT #rapha CT #rapha CT #rapha CT #fidibc Nat #fidibc Nat #fidibc Nat #fidibc Nat
    Zakkari Dempster *au 27/09/1987 #bora16 PCT #bora16 PCT #netappendura PCT #netappendura PCT #endura CT #rapha CT #rapha CT #drapac CT #southaustralia CT #southaustralia CT #drapac CT
    José Manuel Diaz Gallego *es 18/01/1995 #extremadura Nat #extremadura Nat #extremadura Nat
    Roy Goldstein *il 20/05/1993 #academy CT #academy CT
    Luis Lemus *mx 21/04/1992 #academy CT #airgas CT #jellybelly CT #jellybelly CT #jellybelly CT
    Jason Lowndes *au 14/12/1994 #drapac PCT #garneau CT
    Krists Neilands *lv 18/08/1994 #axeon CT #rietumu CT #rietumu CT #rietumu CT
    Ben Perry *ca 07/03/1994 #silber CT #silber CT #baguet Nat #lotto Nat
    Mihkel Räim *ee 03/07/1993 #academy CT #proimmo Nat #proimmo Nat #amore13 CT #cr4c Nat
    Guy Sagiv *il 05/12/1994 #academy CT #academy CT
    Hamish Schreurs *nz 23/01/1994 #klein CT #sojasun Nat #veranclassic CT
    Daniel Turek *cz 19/01/1993 #academy CT #academy CT
    Dennis van Winden *nl 02/12/1987 #jumbo WT #jumbo WT #belkin WT #belkin WT #rabobank WT #rabobank WT #rabobank WT #rabobank CT #rabobank CT #rabobank CT #bec07 Nat
    Tyler Williams *us 17/11/1994 #axeon CT #bmc16 Nat #bmc16 Nat #bmc16 Nat
    Aviv Yechezkel *il 21/04/1994 #academy CT

    10 years of WT experience plus 8 years of PCT experience to lead a team with 10 neo-pros[1] & an average age of 25.125[2].
     1. as per the UCI definition; they are: Diaz Gallego, Goldstein, Neilands, Perry, Räim, Sagiv, Schreurs, Turek, Williams, Yechezkel
     2. going by the UCI definition of 'racing age' as: Current year (2017 for this team) minus year of birth (e.g., 1993 for Räim)
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #194 on: December 14, 2016, 21:12 »
    Nice work that man!



    I feel I should know the kit circled in blue, but I just can't quite make out the words above the orange band. The one circled in red looks more like a ladyshape as l'arri would say.

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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #195 on: December 14, 2016, 21:24 »
    I feel I should know the kit circled in blue, but I just can't quite make out the words above the orange band.
    It says "Team ???" - which doesn't help at all. :D

    The one circled in red looks more like a ladyshape as l'arri would say.
    Could also be a long-haired gentlemanshape.
    Or it's former female pro cyclist & triathlete Leah Goldstein[1] who, I believe, could be the mother of Roy & Omer (that's not confirmed, but it would make sense; and they do look similar to her).
     1. she has dark hair, though
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #196 on: December 14, 2016, 22:04 »
    The one circled in red looks more like a ladyshape as l'arri would say.

    Mystery solved.



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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #197 on: December 14, 2016, 22:17 »
    Mystery solved.
    Dude, you're a stalker! :lol
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #198 on: December 19, 2016, 15:54 »
    https://www.facebook.com/CyclingAcademyTeam/posts/833138493456377

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    A NEW TEAM IS BORN!

    Say Hello to " Cycling Academy Development team".

    We invested in our future by constructing a new team with 8 Israeli young and talented riders we consider the best of the next Israeli generation .

    The new team will take part in International Under 23 races next year and the chosen 8 are already taking part in our pro conti team's Israeli Training camp.

    How exciting is it ????

    You judge. But we definitely are.

    Here is the Press release we will issue to the world's Cycling Media in the next hour:

    Israel Cycling Academy launches a new development team:

    Team consists of 8 Israeli riders, will serve as a feeder team to the senior Pro-Continental Israeli team

    Team to be named: Cycling Academy Development Team

    Tel-Aviv. December 19, 2016

    In what can be seen as the most significant investment in its future, Israel’s newly founded UCI Pro Continental team Cycling Academy has founded a Development team that will start racing in 2017.

    The first-ever Israeli Pro Cycling team has recruited the best U23 Israeli cyclists. The selection process included a series of testing sessions, with the eight final riders making the cut.

    “This is an investment, not only in our future, but in the future of Israeli cycling” said team manager Ran Margaliot. “We took not only road cyclists, but also several great Mountain Bikers. We see ourselves responsible to support and guide those young Israeli talents. We want to give them the opportunity to make it to the highest levels of the pro cycling world.

    Team management has also recruited Logistics and Professional staff to support the new team. Israel National MTB team Aviad Izrael will be the new team manager.

    Spaniard Sports director Oscar Guerrero, who is also working with the senior Pro-Continental team, will direct the young team on the road.

    The young team is aiming to race some of the world greatest U23 UCI races, including races such as: Paris-Roubaix U23, Giro del Valle d’Aosta and the U23 Giro d’Italia. The Pro Continental “Mother Team” intends to take the best two or three riders from its feeder team as “Stagaires” later on in 2017.

    The 8 new riders are, no doubt, the cream of the crop of Israeli riders from ages 18 to 22 years old. The 8 riders include Guy Leshem (19) who was crowned Juniors National Champion on both Road and XCO, as well as Omer Goldstein, who raced as a stagaire with the senior team in 2016 and achieved 2x Top10 finishes in the recent Tour of Rwanda.

    Other riders on the team:

    Ido Bear (19)- Israel National Junior ITT Champion in 2015
    Guy Niv (22)- Climber
    Itamar Einhorn (19)- A sprinter
    Guy Sessler (21)- Israel Mountain Bike national team member who won national ITT and XCO titles in 2013.
    Yam Poliak (19), all-rounder
    Ori Leonzini (18) all-rounder
    Omer Goldstein
    Guy Leshem

    The Israel Cycling Academy Pro continental team already signed 3 Israeli Riders in its ranks and has now taken a major step to guarantee that it will be able to draw more Israeli riders to the Senior squad in the future. Aside for international races, some of them World Cup mountain bike races, the Development Team will be providing full Professional support and will take part in the Pro Continental training camps both in Israel and Europe.

    Otherwise known as The Academy of Cycling Academy.
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #199 on: December 30, 2016, 08:32 »
    Otherwise known as The Academy of Cycling Academy.
    Academy2! :D
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #200 on: December 31, 2016, 05:19 »
    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/raim-strikes-gold-with-gamble-on-first-israeli-pro-team/

    Raim interview from a few days ago.

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    "For the goals I need to be realistic, one race where I really want to be good this year is Tro-Bro Leon in France. I really like those races where there are cobblestone sectors. This was my big goal this past year now and I was ninth in this race."

    That's now the kind of racer Raim sees himself as: a hard-man who can outlast the rest as the field gets smaller and smaller, and then at the finish having a little bit faster kick and a little bit more left in the tank than the others.

    "I'm quite fast in the sprint, but I'm not a pure sprinter, so for me the Classics races with the cobblestones and short steep hills, those races that are, I can say killing me softly," he said. "Every lap there is somebody dropped, so this is my cup of tea. Also, I don't mind to go in the early break to help the team out, and you never know, sometimes the break can go to the finish. That's my racing style: aggressive and attacking. So I see my future like that."

    He has an interesting turn of phrase.

    Academy2! :D

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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #201 on: January 03, 2017, 10:30 »
    I thought I'd do a bit of stalking research on these youngsters. There's not much info about though.

    Omer Goldstein we know about already. He's bound to be the leader a lot of the races that have climbing and/or a TT.

    Leshem combines road and MTB, and since he gets a specific mention by the team my guess is that he is someone they hope to get some results from.

    Bear and Einhorn have both been racing in Belgium over the past couple of years with *takes deep breath* Verandas Willems - Crabbé Toitures - CC Chevigny.

    Einhorn - http://www.ccchevigny.be/coureur/249
    Bear - http://www.ccchevigny.be/coureur/254

    Poliak was in Belgium too with Asfra Racing Team.

    http://www.directvelo.com/coureur/15538/yam-poliak

    Sessler, Leonzinni and Niv look to be the MTBers.
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #202 on: January 12, 2017, 15:30 »
    https://twitter.com/bikeGEEEEKS/status/819558465995767808

    The race presentation is today I believe. It starts with a 38km TTT and stage four should be the other decisive day.



    Same finish (roughly) as stage 17 from last year's Veulta?

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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #203 on: January 15, 2017, 19:37 »


    In the flesh.
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #204 on: January 24, 2017, 15:35 »
    So far no wildcards to the WT events they had targeted which is a bit of shame.

    MSR, although I felt it was their best chance of a big race invite, was always a long shot especially with Novo Nordisk and Gazprom being sponsors for some RCS races. Strade Bianche would have been cool, but with all eighteen WT teams participating it didn't leave much room for PCTs. I'm even thinking Omloop is looking a bit dodgy. Assuming seven of the ten wildcards are already filled it still leaves Aquablue, CCC, Delko, Fortuneo, Gazprom, Willier + the Bike Geeeks fighting over the last three spots.

    California should be a given later in the year (and the Canadian double header, but they haven't been mentioned previously). Looking elsewhere I think Pologne would be a very good option for the classics half of the team (Eneco would even better, but that's not going to happen). Turkey has it's issues, but I could see that being a good place for the other half of the team (Lowndes, Diaz, Lemus etc).

    There's plenty of nice HC and .1 races about if they can't get those invites, but it must be frustrating trying to build a calendar when you are waiting for that e-mail to say if you have or haven't got the nod.
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #205 on: January 24, 2017, 15:58 »
    There's plenty of nice HC and .1 races about if they can't get those invites, but it must be frustrating trying to build a calendar when you are waiting for that e-mail to say if you have or haven't got the nod.
    And still they've pulled out of Sibiu. :(

    Probably got an invite to Austria which is sucking away many teams every year.
    Same with #tirol - but I can understand it better for an *at Conti team; they have to be at their country's national tour.

    Had the Austrians gotten their June spot as wished for, all would be fine and dandy; this way, I believe Sibiu has to try to get a time slot a week or two later in order to be able to have more high-quality teams actually lining up. :angry
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #206 on: January 24, 2017, 16:20 »
    Damn that's a bummer. :(

    The opposite is certainly true as well then. Frustrating for races waiting to hear if teams will accept invitations or reneging on already accepted ones.

    ps. Nice are probably available if you have a free spot now. :P
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #207 on: January 24, 2017, 16:38 »
    Frustrating for races waiting to hear if teams will accept invitations or reneging on already accepted ones.
    This is just not good management. If you give your word, you stand by it. If you're only accepting the invitation "unless something better comes up", at least say so up front.

    ps. Nice are probably available if you have a free spot now. :P
    Just wait and see. ;)
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #208 on: January 26, 2017, 09:25 »
    Circuit des Ardennes added to the calendar. Although a 2.2 it will have quite a few of the stronger CT teams in attendance: Axeon, Joker, SEG, Veloconcept, Wiggins etc along with WB-Veranclassic-Aqua Protect as the only other PCT.

    Just wait and see. ;)

    At least we've progressed from an outright no. :cool
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