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Re: The Academy of Cycling
« Reply #210 on: January 29, 2017, 20:23 »
https://www.facebook.com/CyclingAcademyTeam/videos/861224127314480/

Team for Valenciana:

Diaz
Williams
Van Winden
Lowndes
Dempster
Boivin
Perry
Yechezkel

Are the other half of the team riding Etruschi? Nobody knows.
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #211 on: February 03, 2017, 22:34 »
    A couple of slightly more solid days at Valenciana after the abysmal TTT. I wasn't expecting fireworks in the team event, but getting beaten by the Spanish CT teams can't have been part of their plans. Since all eight finished together I can only think it was conscious decision not to drop anyone and thus they could only go as quickly as the slowest member.

    Although I didn't see any highlights, according to reports Perry was close to getting into the group that finished at 19s on the second stage. On the negative side though, they didn't manage to get anyone in the break (despite many efforts) and Lowndes was a DNF after his group got stopped by the police as they had to reopen the roads.

    Tomorrow should be Diaz territory (I hope!).

    http://www.rutasur.net/diaz-gallego-antes-de-marcarme-objetivos-tengo-que-ver-el-nivel-que-hay/

    Little interview with the youngster. Next races for him are Andalucia and Alentejo.

    Also Lemus says his first race of the season is going to be Laigueglia.
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #212 on: February 04, 2017, 23:33 »
    https://twitter.com/TylerWcycling/status/827914782556692480

    https://twitter.com/benjefperry/status/827997802856845312

    The whole team suffered, especially the two from the break yesterday and Yechezkel.
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #213 on: February 14, 2017, 16:23 »
    Not a great day in Laigueglia either, which is fine in a way as it is very early season, but it does make me worry that they aren't going to be in tip-top shape for Omloop. It's not that many days away.

    Going by the start lists on PCS most of the Academy riders on the 25th will have had five or six racing days, which doesn't sound like much. Schreurs will have raced the most, but all of those were on the other side of the world.

    Ruta del Sol starts tomorrow and it's a good chance for the team to win their first jersey as a PCT.



    It's for the best rider from Andalucia and there are only three entrants. :P

    Local boy Diaz is going up against Jorge Cubero and Javier Moreno.
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #214 on: February 14, 2017, 17:25 »
    Not a great day in Laigueglia either, which is fine in a way as it is very early season, but it does make me worry that they aren't going to be in tip-top shape for Omloop. It's not that many days away.
    You're not supposed to be in tip-top shape for the Omloop! It's the opening classic! :P

    Ruta del Sol starts tomorrow and it's a good chance for the team to win their first jersey as a PCT.



    It's for the best rider from Andalucia and there are only three entrants. :P

    Local boy Diaz is going up against Jorge Cubero and Javier Moreno.
    Shouldn't be impossible to get this one. :D
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #215 on: February 14, 2017, 18:04 »
    You're not supposed to be in tip-top shape for the Omloop! It's the opening classic!

    Let me rephrase it then, competitive shape or at least doing better than Aquablue. :P
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #216 on: February 15, 2017, 20:37 »
    Shouldn't be impossible to get this one. :D

    Hmmmm got 17 minutes now to make up on Moreno. :-x

    However you can always rely on Mr. Turek.

    https://twitter.com/mihkelraim/status/831909823537147905
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #217 on: February 17, 2017, 21:04 »


    This must be the U23 kit, the reverse of the main team's.

    Anyway the reason they're wearing it is that some of the U23 riders and Shlomi Haimy are riding the MTB Samarathon at the moment. Dan and Guy Sagiv won it last year.

    Guy Niv and Haimy won the prologue, Guy Leshem and Guy Sessler took the overall lead today and there's one more day of competition to go tomorrow.

    Guy sure must have been a popular name in Israel 20-25 years ago.
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #218 on: February 17, 2017, 21:23 »

    This looks WAY better than the pros' kit in my opinion. :cool

    Guy sure must have been a popular name in Israel 20-25 years ago.
    Maybe the nurses were often misunderstood when saying "Congratulations, it's a guy", and Guy was put on the forms as the baby's name? :D
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #219 on: February 17, 2017, 21:45 »
    This looks WAY better than the pros' kit in my opinion. :cool

    Absolutely, but a bit too similar to the Cannondale green to be perfect.
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #220 on: February 17, 2017, 22:25 »
    Maybe the nurses were often misunderstood when saying "Congratulations, it's a guy", and Guy was put on the forms as the baby's name? :D

    New name for the devo team : JustSomeGuys™
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #221 on: February 17, 2017, 22:57 »
    Absolutely, but a bit too similar to the Cannondale green to be perfect.
    It is, yes.
    But if Cannondale were to change their kit for 2018, I'd love to see this as next year's #academy kit. :luv
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #222 on: February 21, 2017, 21:26 »
    Very disappointing last day at the Ruta del Sol, not due to losing the sprints jersey, purely and simply because they failed to get in the break. With the weather being how it was and the lack of strength in sprint teams, there was always a good chance for it to make it the whole way and that's how it turned out.

    Hopefully Alentejo will be a bit better. The opposition on paper will be of the lowest level they have faced this year and the broken terrain (but no massive mountains) should suit them more.



    Some of the riders should have decent race legs now (Neilands, Diaz and Turek), but others have been ill (Lemus) and some still haven't raced that much (Craven, Goldstein and Lowndes).
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #223 on: February 21, 2017, 22:05 »
    Let me rephrase it then, competitive shape or at least doing better than Aquablue. :P

    That's a slightly unfair bar to set, as Cycling Academy's team has much less experience at the pro level and likely a significantly lower budget. One place where they are in direct competition in the early season though is for "new team novelty value" wild cards. Up until today's announcement of LBL and FW wild cards, Cycling Academy were somewhat surprisingly winning on that score.
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #224 on: February 22, 2017, 17:41 »
    They've definitely benefited from the WT teams not being obliged to enter the new WT events, that almost nullifies the addition of the extra Belgian PCTs, and with the Italian teams + CCC being given the collective heave-ho, it does leave a few extra spots up for grabs.

    However GW is the only pre-existing Belgian WT race so far where they have got an wildcard and it remains to be seen whether they can get one at E3 or the real biggie RVV. They are obviously in contention for them though, it could be they are fighting over one spot with Direct Energie and Aqua Blue.



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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #225 on: February 22, 2017, 20:34 »
    They've definitely benefited from the WT teams not being obliged to enter the new WT events, that almost nullifies the addition of the extra Belgian PCTs, and with the Italian teams + CCC being given the collective heave-ho, it does leave a few extra spots up for grabs.

    However GW is the only pre-existing Belgian WT race so far where they have got an wildcard and it remains to be seen whether they can get one at E3 or the real biggie RVV. They are obviously in contention for them though, it could be they are fighting over one spot with Direct Energie and Aqua Blue.

    They have invites to Omloop, Dwars Door, GW. Outside of the WT they are also invited to KBK. That's a very impressive list of races for a first year PCT outfit without any big (or even medium sized) names on the roster. Yes, other than GW they are non-compulsory for WT teams, but they are the sort of non-compulsory races that 15 or 16 WT teams go to. By contrast, in the Flanders classics, Aquablue got just an invite to Omloop. Direct Energie, one of the very strongest PCT teams and one with a leader who is a contender for some of these races, missed out on GW.

    However the team end up doing on the road this year, whoever it was who was responsible for lobbying race organisers in Flanders has done an excellent job. On paper, they should have less to offer those races than really a lot of other PCT teams in terms of roster. Not because they are bad, but because they are a mixture of young guys stepping up to PCT and a sprinkling of experienced journeymen. In this portion of the season, they have a clean sweep of invites of a sort that only Low Countries teams and Cofidis have. Hats off!

    I don't think they will get an RVV invite. If it was them v Aquablue then they would be favourites, given how invites to these races have gone so far, but I can't see Direct Energie being passed over for them in both GW and the RVV. But the mere fact that they are serious contenders for an RVV wildcard at this point is impressive. It will be interesting to see if they can get invites to big races in other parts of the world or if this will prove to be a Flandrian phenomenon only.

    You are right about the exclusion of the Italians and CCC counterbalancing the growth in the number of Belgian teams, by the way. It is somewhat odd that they've got the cold shoulder.
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #226 on: February 22, 2017, 21:13 »
    They have invites to Omloop, Dwars Door, GW. Outside of the WT they are also invited to KBK. That's a very impressive list of races for a first year PCT outfit without any big (or even medium sized) names on the roster. Yes, other than GW they are non-compulsory for WT teams, but they are the sort of non-compulsory races that 15 or 16 WT teams go to. By contrast, in the Flanders classics, Aquablue got just an invite to Omloop. Direct Energie, one of the very strongest PCT teams and one with a leader who is a contender for some of these races, missed out on GW.
    I agree that they're not doing badly at all.

    However, we also shouldn't forget that with 16 WT teams at the start, that leaves 9 spots for 22 PCTs ... of which only 10-13 have an interest in going.
    You won't see #cajarural #androni #manzana etc. in a Flemish classic.

    And 9/12 is less impressive than 9/22, you have to admit. It's still an achievement to beat ~3 other teams for one of those spots, of course.
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #227 on: February 22, 2017, 21:43 »
    I agree that they're not doing badly at all.

    However, we also shouldn't forget that with 16 WT teams at the start, that leaves 9 spots for 22 PCTs ... of which only 10-13 have an interest in going.
    You won't see #cajarural #androni #manzana etc. in a Flemish classic.

    And 9/12 is less impressive than 9/22, you have to admit. It's still an achievement to beat ~3 other teams for one of those spots, of course.

    You are right of course that not all PCT teams have an interest, but most do. There are 4 Belgian teams, 4 French, 4 Italian, 1 Dutch, 1 Irish, 1 Israeli, 1 Polish and 2 American teams and I would be surprised if a single one of those teams bar perhaps Androni didn't apply for at least some of these races. All of those teams bar Novo Novordisk, who have their own unique selling point, are better established, have higher profile riders or both.

    Even just the Belgian, French and Dutch teams alone potentially take up all 9 invites. Yet a brand new team with no "name" riders at all managed a clean sweep so far, ahead of at least one of those teams plus Pozzato's Willier, CCC, Aquablue, UHC etc. Doing that for one race would be a pretty good return, but they've so far got a forthcoming cobbled season on the level of a Belgian classics specialist squad!

    All this and I can't even tell who their cobbles leaders will be. How many of their riders have even been in a cobbled race before?

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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #228 on: February 22, 2017, 22:09 »
    Or to look at your numbers another way: If there are 9 invites going and 13 teams interested, 7 of them are basically accounted for in advance by Belgians, Dutch and French and then there are maybe 6 teams trying to grab one of the 2 remaining spots. Cycling Academy have got one of the two in every race.
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #229 on: February 22, 2017, 22:39 »
    You are right of course that not all PCT teams have an interest, but most do. There are 4 Belgian teams, 4 French, 4 Italian, 1 Dutch, 1 Irish, 1 Israeli, 1 Polish and 2 American teams and I would be surprised if a single one of those teams bar perhaps Androni didn't apply for at least some of these races. All of those teams bar Novo Novordisk, who have their own unique selling point, are better established, have higher profile riders or both.
    #androni They've been in De Panne (?) recently, but that's about it
    #bardiani Don't give a sh*t about cobbles, they're about the hills if anything
    #nippo Do a few select Flemish races
    #wilier Pozzato & co. want a proper Flemish campaign
    #ccc They'll take what they can get. More hills than cobbles, but will show up here and there
    #uhc Not much of an interest in cobbles, they'll take what they can get - may profit from being *us
    #novonordisk No comment :lol
    #vlaanderen #nuyens #wanty #wbva #roompot Are shoe-ins
    #aquablue Want a Flemish campaign
    #academy Want a Flemish campaign
    #direct Are a regular feature on the cobbles, and an established team
    #cofidis Are a regular feature on the cobbles, and an established team
    #delko Don't seem to race that much outside France, really
    #fortuneo Have some interest in the Flemish races

    The 'smaller' French teams will be handicapped by there already being 2 *fr WT teams & 2 *fr PCTs on the list.
    Do you want a 5th French team or the one and only *il resp. *ie team?
    It's a fact that race organisers look at the nationality of the teams they're inviting, often trying to strike a balance and covering as many countries as possible.

    None of this takes away from the achievement of #academy getting virtually a full Flemish campaign. I'm only trying to explain how it came about.
    #stolting would have LOVED a full Flemish campaign last year, with G-W, Ronde and even Roubaix ... but #bora16 were 'first in line' of the German teams.
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #230 on: February 23, 2017, 09:34 »
    We must also recognise that it could be the case that Sylvan Adams is throwing a few Canadian $ the way of the various organizers, generous billionaires are handy things to have on board. He's involved in real estate and I can't see any obvious Canadian or Israeli partners on the various race websites, so we can't be sure of it with any certainty.

    On the other hand, the classics were one of their big stated targets (along with stage wins). The transfers (eight) they made over the winter were mainly for guys who could make their mark in that field over the next few years. They only brought in Diaz for big climbs (and he looks like he will need a lot of time to deliver) and they look quite weak in that dept. As they do in TTing. In fact the team feels very unrounded and skewed towards these targets.

    Even so I think they are lucky to get all the invites they've got so far, I seem to remember stating my pessimism over them even getting an Omloop invite not so long ago. They probably will suffer like dogs over the course of the next month, but hopefully the experience will stand them in good stead for future endeavours.
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #231 on: February 23, 2017, 10:48 »
    We must also recognise that it could be the case that Sylvan Adams is throwing a few Canadian $ the way of the various organizers, generous billionaires are handy things to have on board. He's involved in real estate and I can't see any obvious Canadian or Israeli partners on the various race websites, so we can't be sure of it with any certainty.
    He moved to *il, so he'd be throwing shekels now. :P

    It's a possibility, of course, but I don't think it's what happened. The team budget isn't that cozy to begin with, and in that case wouldn't it make far more sense to put the money into the team?

    In fact the team feels very unrounded and skewed towards these targets.
    That's not a bad thing in my book. We need more classics-focused teams from outside Belgium. ;)
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #232 on: March 04, 2017, 09:42 »
    Going by the results it wasn't the greatest opening set of races for the Bike Geeeeks (they've changed their twitter handle actually, but I'm still calling them this), but since I didn't see a second of the coverage I can't really comment too much.

    Boivin did well at KBK being in the break and then getting back up after his crash to finish. Dempster who crashed very hard the day before was the other finisher.



    Turek did his thing at Le Samyn

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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #233 on: March 04, 2017, 10:41 »
    https://twitter.com/yallaACADEMY/status/837961975955140609

    Slightly different weather at the Tour of Arad.

    The team was split into two to try and add some extra competition.

    Stage 1 (crit) went to Omer Goldstein in a photo finish.

    Stage 2 (20km uphill from the Dead Sea) again went to Goldstein with Einhorn and just some guys 20-40 seconds back.

    Stage 3 (proper stage including the Scorpions Pass climb) finished earlier with Einhorn winning the sprint from a group of eight.

    Goldstein took the overall. :cool
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    « Reply #234 on: March 04, 2017, 11:56 »
    Going by the results it wasn't the greatest opening set of races for the Bike Geeeeks (they've changed their twitter handle actually, but I'm still calling them this)
    That must have happened VERY recently?
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    « Reply #235 on: March 04, 2017, 12:12 »
    That must have happened VERY recently?

    A week ago or something. Same with Facebook, they've gone from CyclingAcademyTeam to IsraelCyclingAcademy.
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #237 on: March 10, 2017, 16:18 »
    https://www.israelcyclingacademy.com/

    New website is finally up and running.

    The calendar is the only bit I'm really interested in.

    Some selected races for the main team that we didn't know about:

    Fjords
    Utah
    Portugal
    Colorado
    Quebec
    Montreal
    Italian Autumn Classics

    Subject to change of course and there could be other races in there too.

    They also have some of the races that the devo squad will be participating in:

    Circuit des Ardennes
    Carpathian Couriers
    Flèche de Sud
    Paris-Roubaix Espoirs
    Shalosh Kalot
    Coppa della Pace / Trofeo F.lli Anelli
    Giro Ciclistico d'Italia
    Valle d'Aosta
    Olympia's Tour

    Some goodies in there and probably plenty of ouchies too.
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    « Reply #238 on: March 10, 2017, 17:22 »
    Some selected races for the main team that we didn't know about:

    Fjords
    Replacement for California where they (for me) surprisingly didn't get an invitation. Must be a real blow, though lessened in part by doing the whole American autumn calendar.

    The Tour of Austria is in the calendar as 16-22 June ... if only it were then instead of 2-9 July. :(
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #239 on: April 01, 2017, 09:03 »
    https://twitter.com/yallaACADEMY/status/847898160353726466

    There was a bit of a give away from Sagiv's national champs kit when Fus posted it.

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