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Re: The Academy of Cycling
« Reply #300 on: September 07, 2017, 18:49 »
https://twitter.com/yallaACADEMY/status/905826473638072321

Looking for good things from Krists, Ben and Guillaume.
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #301 on: September 08, 2017, 11:55 »
    There's a *ca national team in the races which is obviously also non-WT.
    They are, however, the only ProConti team and could just as well have said that (which would also sound better in my opinion).
    I wish people were more careful about what they say.
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #302 on: September 13, 2017, 10:52 »
    https://twitter.com/yallaACADEMY/status/907808266142580738

    Must be the official Giro news ....... or a Daniel Turek contract extension. One or the other.
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #303 on: September 13, 2017, 11:16 »
    One or the other.
    Could also be that they've (re-)signed their Israelis. Although, on second thought, those all got 2-year contracts.

    The Giro wildcard would only be announced in January, I think. Unless they make it part of the Grande Partenza presentation (which would make sense)
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #304 on: September 17, 2017, 08:25 »
    https://twitter.com/yallaACADEMY/status/909099138289213441

    The Giro will present their Grande Partenza on the 18th. So this is definitely that.
    We'll see if the presentation will also include a #academy wildcard already, or if that one stays an open secret for now.
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #305 on: September 18, 2017, 10:46 »
    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/giro-ditalia-2018-will-begin-with-jerusalem-individual-time-trial/

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    Monday’s formal announcement means that the Pro Continental Israel Cycling Academy team seems guaranteed its place on the start line in Jerusalem next May. Team backer Sylvan Adams confirmed on Sunday night that the team has applied for a wildcard invitation to the corsa rosa but stressed that RCS Sport will not make a decision until January.

    So what's the SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT and PRESS CONFERENCE for?

    A women's team?

    Just for a transfer? Orken? Basso and Contador?
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #306 on: September 18, 2017, 16:35 »
    Just for a transfer? Orken? Basso and Contador?
    Turned out to be Örken, and not that much more.
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #307 on: September 18, 2017, 17:30 »
    There was some more stuff in amongst the waffling, but not much.

    • Guy Niv has signed full time for the team as well.

    • Omer Goldstein got a mention from Ron Baron, so maybe the door is being opened for him to make a return to the development team in 2018.

    • There will be at least three teams riding the Tour of Turkey in October. ;)

    As for Orken, he deserves a shot at a higher level and he fits perfectly into the "rider from a non-traditional cycling nation" category. However is another fast man really what the team needs?  Not sure of all the renewals yet, but the team could have SHE, Raim, Boivin, Avila, Lowndes, Dempster, Jensen and Orken for various types of sprints (reduced or otherwise). He'll have to fight for his chance.
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #308 on: September 18, 2017, 18:10 »
    • Omer Goldstein got a mention from Ron Baron, so maybe the door is being opened for him to make a return to the development team in 2018.
    He was racing the U23 ITT Worlds at the same time, so maybe it was only that. :shh

    As for Orken, he deserves a shot at a higher level and he fits perfectly into the "rider from a non-traditional cycling nation" category. However is another fast man really what the team needs?  Not sure of all the renewals yet, but the team could have SHE, Raim, Boivin, Avila, Lowndes, Dempster, Jensen and Orken for various types of sprints (reduced or otherwise). He'll have to fight for his chance.
    You're right, they stock up on "guys with some sort of sprint".

    Another thing I want to nip in the bud: His name is Örken. Not Orken.
    I don't care if Anglophones don't have the letter Ö on their keyboards.
    Do show him[1] the respect of spelling his name correctly. :angel
     1. and all other riders with Ö, Ä, Ü, Æ, Ø, Å, Ç, Ț, Ș, Ł, Ź, Č and whatnot in their names
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #309 on: October 02, 2017, 05:44 »
    It's not confirmed by the team yet, but Gazzetta dello Sport reported it today (and lots of Italian websites picked it up):
    http://www.ciclonews.biz/kristian-sbaragli-israele/

    Sbaragli #didata --> #academy

    Another fast finisher/sprinter!  :lol :S :fp

    Anyway if everybody re-signs that's the 24 riders and 17 nationalities. Surely there must be some climbing support incoming for Hermans though. So adios Dan, Jason and maybe even Zak to free up some space?
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #310 on: October 02, 2017, 08:14 »
    Another fast finisher/sprinter!  :lol :S :fp
    You can never have too many of those! :lol
    Except, you can. They'd need to determine who's the designated sprinter on any given day; leaving that to be decided during the race is a recipe for disaster.
    On the other hand, if sprinter A doesn't feel so good, and sprinter B is in the break, you'll always have sprinter C to fall back on ...
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #311 on: October 03, 2017, 20:06 »
    On the other hand, if sprinter A doesn't feel so good, and sprinter B is in the break, you'll always have sprinter C to fall back on ...

    That's all very well, but what about sprinters D, E, F, G and H :P
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #313 on: October 19, 2017, 14:10 »
    https://twitter.com/Guillaumeboivin/status/920615905251311616

    I guess it could be a ticket to a different team's training camp, but the wording and #yalla suggests it's a renewal with the Geeeeeeeeeeeeks.

    Lowndes on the other hand is probably heading towards JLT Condor.
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #314 on: October 24, 2017, 20:49 »
    Lowndes confirmed to JLT, so if they stick to their "24 riders, 17 countries" and everybody else re-signs (def not guaranteed), that means a spot opens up but only to riders from certain nations. Some non-sprinting possibilities are below (going by PCS).

    *au Earle or Morton

    *be Pauwels

    *ca Piccoli

    *co Quintana Jr or one of the Manzana youngsters

    *it Ficara

    *nl Bol

    When they told Sessler they wouldn't be signing him for 2018, they said they were after more experienced heads who could immediately make a mark, therefore I'm ruling out Piccoli, the Manzanistas and Ficara which is a shame as the two at CT level deserve a chance.

    Quintana looks very likely to renew with Movistar after his brother pulled strings.

    That leaves four. My choice would be Pauwels as a nice helper (and fellow countryman) for Hermans, but I'd be surprised if DD don't keep him on. Bol is good mates with Van Winden and he was out on rides with the team in Hainan. Morton does fit in somewhat with the team's previous ethos, but hasn't impressed me that much this year in Europe.
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #315 on: October 26, 2017, 08:52 »
    *au Earle or Morton
    Bingo: ;)
    https://twitter.com/yallaACADEMY/status/922932238924345344

    If they do re-sign all four riders who are still unconfirmed here or elsewhere (Boivin, Craven, Dempster, van Winden), that would make 24. If they don't, there are 1-4 spots still up for grabs. And if they let Craven or van Winden go, that opens up for a nationality (or two), throwing all our speculation into disarray.

    Like you say, Dayer is virtually confirmed with #movistar:
    They also signed Sergio Samitier, quite a promising youngster who also was in talks with Movistar (but ended up empty handed because Unzue had only one place left for either him or Dayer Quintana)

    http://www.ciclo21.com/samitier-sin-movistar-pero-en-murias/
    http://www.ciclismointernacional.com/noticias-breves-del-peloton-50/

    That leaves four. My choice would be Pauwels as a nice helper (and fellow countryman) for Hermans, but I'd be surprised if DD don't keep him on. Bol is good mates with Van Winden and he was out on rides with the team in Hainan. Morton does fit in somewhat with the team's previous ethos, but hasn't impressed me that much this year in Europe.
    Bol could be an option, but I think he may want to stay at #manzana rather than move again after only one year. I could be horribly wrong, of course. Or maybe van Winden is learning Spanish from his buddy and goes to Colombia?!

    Pauwels would be a coup, but I don't see #didata parting with him voluntarily. Morton is an idea, but only for races outside Europe - is it the relatively narrow roads (as in, only two lanes instead of 4-8) he can't adjust to?

    Finally, there are the #icadt guys. They signed Guy Niv, maybe It(a)mar Einhorn gets a chance as well already - although it would be awfully early for him, really.
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #316 on: October 27, 2017, 19:37 »
    https://twitter.com/Cyclingnewsfeed/status/923938657341407234

    Boivin + Dempster + Van Winden ---------> #academy
    Reading the article, "Israel Cycling Academy have one more rider to announce to complete the 2018 roster" doesn't really sound as if that rider is going to be Dan Craven. If he were getting a new contract, they would have announced that with those three other re-signings.

    Of course, that doesn't get us much (or any) closer to who "rider no. 24" is going to be ...
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #317 on: October 27, 2017, 20:08 »
    Of course, that doesn't get us much (or any) closer to who "rider no. 24" is going to be ...

    To replace Namibia it should be a new country, but there are no stand out picks despite the increase in number of available nationailities.

    *at Zoidl

    *er Kudus or Debesay

    *de Thurau

    *pl Paterski

    *ru Chernetskiy

    *si Pogacar

    *ch Stussi

    *ua Padun

    I'm leaning towards the Austrian as the realistic option.
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #318 on: October 27, 2017, 20:13 »
    I'm leaning towards the Austrian as the realistic option.
    *ch Stüssi has done well enough this year to attract some ProConti interest. Not to mention that he'd strengthen the climber's department ...

    ... and then there's *pl Magic Paterski! :D
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #319 on: October 27, 2017, 20:30 »
    https://twitter.com/procyclingno/status/923602323926024192

    Quote from: SHE
    I already notice that it is much more tidy with regard to emails and messages. Everything goes in English so it's tidy and easy to understand. It's so delicious to be back to it (!), instead of having to translate back and forth via Google Translate, he says about the first experiences with his new team.
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #320 on: October 27, 2017, 22:13 »
    https://twitter.com/procyclingno/status/923602323926024192
    Oh my. He'd signed for a French team without knowing at least conversational French?
    I could have told him in advance that that wouldn't work at all.
    :fp
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #321 on: November 02, 2017, 13:12 »
    I wonder if this language barrier would have seemed so important to him if he had been free from his health issues and competitive in races? Probably not.

    Anyway onto the Giro and possible team selections!

    #academy

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/israel-cycling-academy-complete-2018-roster-with-omer-goldstein/

    Edwin Avila (Col)
    Guillaume Boivin (Can)
    Zakkari Dempster (Aus)
    José Manuel Díaz (Spa)
    Nathan Earle (Aus)
    Sondre Holst Enger (Nor)
    Omer Goldstein (Isr)
    Roy Goldstein (Isr)
    Ben Herman (Bel)
    August Jensen (Nor)
    Luis Lemus (Mex)
    Krists Neilands (Lat)
    Guy Niv (Isr)
    Ahmet Örken (Tur)
    Ben Perry (Can)
    Rubén Plaza (Spa)
    Mihkel Raim (Est)
    Guy Sagiv (Isr)
    Kristian Sbaragli (Ita)
    Hamish Schreurs (NZl)
    Daniel Turek (Cze)
    Dennis Van Winden (Ned)
    Tyler Williams (USA)
    Aviv Yechezkel (Isr)

    Using common sense provisos of form/illness/the course etc.

    Who will definitely not ride the Giro?

    Diaz, Omer Goldstein, Lemus, Niv, Perry, Schreurs, Turek and Williams.

    Fairly obvious reasons of youth, inexperience, inconsistency and (let's be honest) lack of ability for a couple of them.

    The Israeli selection?

    Roy Goldstein

    If the team size was still nine I think they would have gone with two home riders, but with just eight now, it makes senses to go with just one. Roy Goldstein must be in pole position with his National Champs RR jersey. However the main consideration must be picking someone who they think has the best chance of finishing the race. So this one is still up in the air really.

    Guaranteed picks?

    Hermans, Plaza, Sbaragli (and SHE?)

    It's tempting to say all four who have dropped down from WT will have been given the nod before signing, but for me Enger will have to show some early season form first.

    The rest?

    Boivin, Van Winden, Jensen (and Earle?)

    A lot of people fighting over three (or four) spots. Boivin and Van Winden are the experienced doms and as Carlstrom says “Their roles will be to help out some of the fast men in the team to arrive at the sprint in perfect condition." They get the nod over Dempster as they can climb a bit better.

    Jensen offers something a bit different either from a break or a punchy finish.

    If SHE isn't firing on all cylinders, I think they'll go with Sbaragli as the sprinter and Earle or Avila or Neilands could be the beneficiaries.

    It's not the team I would have gone with, but it's the one I think they will select.
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #322 on: November 02, 2017, 14:12 »
    Using common sense provisos of form/illness/the course etc.

    Who will definitely not ride the Giro?

    Diaz, Omer Goldstein, Lemus, Niv, Perry, Schreurs, Turek and Williams.

    Fairly obvious reasons of youth, inexperience, inconsistency and (let's be honest) lack of ability for a couple of them.
    I wouldn't exclude Turek and Lemus out of hand:
    Turek has been the breakaway specialist for the team, and breakaways will be an important part of their Giro.
    And Lemus they've built up as the next Mexican GT participant for years ... yes, he hasn't performed all that great in 2017, but there's still time in early 2018 to turn that around. He's also great in regards to Social Media, and that's becoming ever more important. I'm not saying they will definitely pick him, but it's not totally impossible.[1]

    I agree with the rest of your analysis. The new signings from the WT are obvious picks, Boivin & van Winden as well. Jensen & Enger are in the 'very likely, but not guaranteed' category for me. And as *il champion, Roy Goldstein is, as you say, in pole position for the 'local rider' spot.
     1. and, yes, there's personal sympathy playing in here, too; I really like the mexiCAN :shh
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #323 on: November 13, 2017, 18:18 »


    New kit on Wednesday. The previous one was a bit dull in my opinion and not always the easiest to spot (I had to rely on the green helmets more often that not for that).

    I think it's safe to say blue will feature, but some chameleon-esque colouring change would be cool.
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #324 on: November 13, 2017, 20:11 »


    New kit on Wednesday. The previous one was a bit dull in my opinion and not always the easiest to spot (I had to rely on the green helmets more often that not for that).

    I think it's safe to say blue will feature, but some chameleon-esque colouring change would be cool.

    new bike would mean Cannondale not there anymore.

    guesses? Orbea? Focus?
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #325 on: November 13, 2017, 20:42 »
    I wonder if this language barrier would have seemed so important to him if he had been free from his health issues and competitive in races? Probably not.

    Anyway onto the Giro and possible team selections!

    Using common sense provisos of form/illness/the course etc.

    Guaranteed picks?

    Hermans, Plaza, Sbaragli (and SHE?)

    It's tempting to say all four who have dropped down from WT will have been given the nod before signing, but for me Enger will have to show some early season form first.

    The rest?

    Boivin, Van Winden, Jensen (and Earle?)

    Jensen offers something a bit different either from a break or a punchy finish.

    If SHE isn't firing on all cylinders, I think they'll go with Sbaragli as the sprinter and Earle or Avila or Neilands could be the beneficiaries.

    Simplifying your discussion to the choice between the two Norwegians, who have similar strenghts at first glance: good finish, particularily if it skoles slopes (damn autocorrect on ipad...) uphill. Decent at climbing, not the first sprinters to drop.
    However, they are very different as August Jensen is Mr Reliable, one of the riders with most top 10 placings last year. Sondre Holst Enger is perhaps the opposite: no-one doubts his potential, but he’s been described as “cube shaped bouncing ball”: He can bounce very high,  but no-one knows which direction he’ll go. (Quoting former team Norway coach Kristiansen.) The academy should look for what was right at IAM. He may be a winner.
    I think I would put Jensen in more one-day races and shorter stage races. Sondre has the GT experience after all.
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #326 on: November 15, 2017, 18:54 »
    https://www.facebook.com/IsraelCyclingAcademy/videos/1087046381398919/

    Team presentation is live (devo team too I believe). Kit to follow.

    New bikes are De Rosa (just for Pastry).
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #328 on: November 15, 2017, 20:35 »
    Itamar Einhorn and Yam Poliak are the only returning riders for the devo team. Didn't quite catch the names of the new Israeli riders other than Saar Hershler, but they did say two foreign riders would be announced in the next couple of weeks. Let's hope for some real non-traditional cycling nations.

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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #329 on: November 21, 2017, 08:46 »
    Itamar Einhorn and Yam Poliak are the only returning riders for the devo team. Didn't quite catch the names of the new Israeli riders other than Saar Hershler.

    https://www.facebook.com/IsraelCyclingAcademy/photos/a.515941738509389.1073741831.515137875256442/1088380691265488/?type=3&permPage=1

    Saned Abu Fares is another. Not that much info about, but he did ride a few races in Belgium this summer.

    Just looking through those results, there are a couple of other names to watch out for - Yuval Ben Moshe and Nir Gabbay. Quite a few top-tens, but I don't have enough knowledge about the races/opposition to judge if that is impressive or not.
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