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Re: The Academy of Cycling
« Reply #480 on: September 16, 2019, 20:30 »
https://twitter.com/Cyclingnewsfeed/status/1173638641194868736

Looking more and more likely.

Let's have a look at this potential team.

Katusha Riders

Enrico Battaglin
Jenthe Biermans
Jens Debusschere
Alex Dowsett
Reto Hollenstein
Daniel Navarro
Nils Politt
Dmitry Strakhov
Harry Tanfield
Mads Würtz Schmidt
Rick Zabel

The question you need to ask is, if none of these had contracts for next year, who would get re-signed for the new team? Politt obviously, but might he try and force a move through to Deceuninck (Van Aert style). Battaglin covers much the same ground as Sbaragli. Not a great year for Debusschere, but previous years results might get him a cheap extension. Dowsett/Hollenstein/Tanfield don't excite. Navarro is getting on a bit. How is Zabel as a leadout? I remember one good one for Kristoff in California a couple of years back. Biermans has youth on his side, but isn't going to be a world beater. Strakhov is a strange one. MWS could be okay - TT and a decent sprint.

So maybe five or six if you're not too sniffy.

ICA Riders with contracts

Matteo Badilatti
Rudy Barbier (?)
Davide Cimolai
Itamar Einhorn
Ben Hermans
Krists Nielands
Mihkel Räim
Tom Van Asbroeck

I'm sure Barbier was announced as getting a two year deal, but neither CQ or PCS has this. Maybe it was a one year deal with an option for another.

New ICA Riders

Hugo Hofstetter
Dan Martin

That comes to twenty one if we include Barbier. Add on the other four Israelis to get twenty five and that leaves five spots to fill. Just five.

ICA Hopefuls

Awet Gebremedhin - Nice story, but a CT rider
Edwin Avila - Shame if he has to go, but the exotic calendar will be much reduced
Guillaume Boivin - Bound to be kept if he wants to stay
Matthias Brandle - Not needed as Dowsett/Hollenstein/Tanfield will be overkill already
Clement Carisey - Just not good enough malheursement
Alexander Cataford - Canadian, but not really up to the task
Zak Dempster - Good pro, but covers much the same ground as Boivin
Conor Dunne - Popular rider, but not WT level
Nathan Earle - Missed most of the season with injury. Might have a chance as not many climbers in team
Sondre Holst Enger - Rumoured to Uno-X
August Jensen - Been unlucky with injuries/crashes
Riccardo Minali - Could he have some off the bike problems? Difficult to explain his season otherwise
Ben Perry - Canadian, but limited in the bigger races
Ruben Plaza - Retiring
Kristian Sbaragli - Bound to be extended after his late season showing
Hamish Schreurs - A good one in the changing room, but is that enough now
Daniel Turek - The only original left, I think we're gonna lose a third of the Holy Trinity....
Dennis Van Winden - Has fallen down the pecking order this year

Alexis Renard (stagiaire) might also be in contention, but he's still young and they might offer him another trainee role in 2020 before signing full time the year after.

Anyway from that long list I (thinking with my head, not heart) would go for Boivin, Dempster, Sbaragli and possibly Earle.

That would leave one or two spots left to be filled by other transfers in. Kangert and Haller from earlier in the thread would tick several boxes.
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #481 on: September 24, 2019, 09:38 »
    Some transfer news. Not ICA news exactly, but their French devo team - Côtes d'Armor-Marie Morin-Veranda Rideau (to give them their full title).

    They have announced six 2020 transfers already and unlike last year the accent is firmly on youth. Now there are a few ways of looking at this. ICA might have dropped some hints about wanting more potential signings in the future or the ICA money/backing is enabling them to think longer term rather than having to sign guys who will get results straightaway or it could just be coincidence.

    The six are:

    Cyprien Giles
    Jeremy Patoux
    Victor Guernalec
    Thibault D'Hervez
    Maxime Rio
    Titouan Renvoise

    Patoux is the outlier at 29 years old. Of the rest, the most interesting are Guernalec (brother of Thibault), D'Hervez who has is coming out of the junior ranks where he has had some nice results this year (should be riding in the Junior RR on Thursday) and finally Renvoise who is a former Junior World Champion (2018) on the track. However he has zero race days on the road according to First. Here's an interview with him about the move to Cotes d'Armor.

    There could be more signings. An article in Le Telegramme talked about a "grimpeur des Andes" possibly joining.
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #482 on: October 03, 2019, 09:34 »
    https://twitter.com/Feltetdk/status/1179462577371406336

    Wurtz seems sure of his position in the team next year. Brandle also can be added to the list of current riders who have a contract for next year.
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #483 on: October 04, 2019, 07:31 »
    All the above doesn't guarantee success of course and my worry now is that the gap that the homegrown riders will have to bridge might be too big. They'll have to retain quite a few of the smaller .1 raced in their program and in future years a proper CT devo team might not go amiss.

    https://twitter.com/JdeQuebec/status/1179902395591118848

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    We are also planning a continental team in parallel, to keep our riders who can not access the WorldTour

    The article also says that Piccoli has signed for them and they're likely to be riding Argon18 bikes.
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #484 on: October 04, 2019, 20:08 »
    Piccoli confirmed.

    https://twitter.com/yallaACADEMY/status/1180119132446044160

    A bit strange that they didn't sign him two years ago, but better late than never.

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    I’m a climber/GC rider so I will probably be the last guy to help Dan and Ben in the hard races, and I’ll also look to take my shot at the win in target races when I can.

    He's a better TT rider than either of those, so hopefully he'll get more than a few chances of his own.

    News today as well today that Perry is leaving the team. Cataford brings even less to the table and therefore it might just be Guillaume and Piccoli representing Canada in the team next year.
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #485 on: October 08, 2019, 05:34 »
    https://twitter.com/MarcaTMF/status/1181301312438317062

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    Oscar Guerrero , one of the Spanish box Israeli directors, he attended Radio Marca in the cycling program 'open grave'. :o

    The majority of brokers who have in Katusha contract the majority will stay, of 11 that remain with contract at least 7 will surely stay. The same will happen with the staff, 4 masseuses and 4 mechanics will come The management is going to take from ICA.

    "The first year will not be easy for sure because it will be a great change, "said Guerrero, who acknowledges that there are still many open negotiations regarding cyclists.

    As for Spaniards there is Dani Navarro and maybe Rubén Plaza, who is in negotiations to be able to continue although the truth is that they do not fit all. With what there was and what is coming there are more than 30, so we won't look beyond the market. "

    We can add Navarro then to the list of riders that will be part of the merger.

    That final line suggests they won't be buying anyone else, but Cote d'Armor might have let something out of the bag

    https://www.facebook.com/CotesArmorCyclisme/posts/2914659255214387

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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #486 on: October 09, 2019, 08:59 »
    https://twitter.com/philippepriser/status/1181558772814221313

    There were discussions about it between the teams, but Cote d'Armor won't be going CT and instead the "reserve of ICA will likely be a team in Slovenia". Whether that's a new team or an already existing one isn't stated.

    The link between the Breton club and the pro team will however remain in what sounds like very similar terms to this year.

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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #487 on: October 09, 2019, 18:39 »
    https://twitter.com/procyclingno/status/1181913494129664001

    Quote from: Jensen
    I have suspected for a while that it looks a bit thin when it is so long and I probably feel that I have to change teams next year, as things stand now. There are some Katusha riders going in. Many of the Israelis on the team have signed and so have you who had a contract for next year. The team starts to fill up.

    I have received an offer from ICA that was reserved for pro accounts, but when they are not, the offer expires. It may look like a team change

    It just hasn't worked out for him at ICA for whatever reason. We never saw a repeat of his Coop form. He seems philosophical about it all though and not overly worried about the future.
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #488 on: October 10, 2019, 18:28 »
    https://twitter.com/daskarov/status/1182312144441937920

    More rumours about the new CT level reserve team.

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    That Academic is considering establishing a reserve group to compete in the third tier of the road bike world - Continental, to allow as many Israelis as possible to take part in competitive and professional races. These are two or three riders who will drop out of the adult group and a number of riders who will jump from the existing reserve group.

    It should be noted that riders who remain in the World Tour (presumably Guy Sagiv and Guy Niv) may occasionally drop into the Continental Group and compete in smaller races to try and earn personal victories while advancing the young riders.

    The Continental group, as it was academically until two years ago, will consist of about 12 riders and its cost is estimated at 750,000 euros. It will of course include a large portion of Israelis, but also other riders who will not find a place in the World Tour group that is forming after the reunification with Katusha.

    Quite surprised at the first bolded bit. I was almost certain they would keep all of them (unless they decided to quit for whatever reason) and have Israelis as the most represented nationality, but maybe I was wrong. From a sporting viewpoint it makes sense as, let's be honest, they're not all of WT level (or even PCT!) and they'll find CT a more suitable level, but it's the look/feel of the thing.

    The new UCI rules on feeder teams will help though. The second paragraph talks about riders being able to drop down to ride in .1 and .2s with the lower ranked team, but the opposite is also true and the youngsters will be able to compete in ProSeries and .1 races with the main team throughout the year, gaining valuable experience.

    Can't see too much value in the second bolded bit unless it's a couple of guys who are willing to act as mentors to the youngsters.
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #489 on: October 17, 2019, 08:29 »
    they're likely to be riding Argon18 bikes.
    Makes sense with Sylvan Adams' *ca money calling the shots. :D

    There were discussions about it between the teams, but Cote d'Armor won't be going CT and instead the "reserve of ICA will likely be a team in Slovenia". Whether that's a new team or an already existing one isn't stated.
    #ljubljana would fit with the main team's cosmopolitan look.
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #490 on: October 23, 2019, 10:54 »
    Now we know that *nz Hamish Schreurs isn't getting a new contract:
    https://twitter.com/HamishSchreurs/status/1186936259941302272
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #491 on: October 23, 2019, 11:06 »
    let's hope that the lack of punctuation in this job application doesn't scare away as many potential employers as in more traditional "industries"
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #492 on: October 25, 2019, 12:38 »
    The tweet has now disappeared. Could be he's now got something for next year.
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #493 on: October 29, 2019, 11:06 »
    The season is done and dusted and the riders are enjoying a well deserved break. 306 race days according to PCS. That's 27 more than any other team, but it has to be taken with a pinch of salt as it does include events when the riders were racing with their national teams (Badilatti for example in l'Ain, Romandie and Suisse).

    The stats may point to an improvement over the 2018 season. Almost double the amount of wins and a hefty increase in UCI points. However I don't think there has been a massive jump. The vast majority of the wins have still been at smaller events or ones with weaker fields (not that that matters to me) and in general, with some exceptions, when they have come up against the bigger guns they have gone awol.

    The exceptions would be the end of season performances from Sbaragli and TVA, and some of the sprints from Cimolai during the year (a 2nd in TA springs to mind).

    Disappointments? Yet another slow start to the season despite the stated aim to fight for points. The Giro to an extent. The Northern Classics (and equivalent stage races) - too often it was just TVA fighting on his own. Too many passengers after the oft-derided transfer policy.

    Highlights? Neilands at GP Wallonie! Sbaragli at Montreal! Hermans winning on Powder Mountain!
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #494 on: October 29, 2019, 19:42 »
    https://twitter.com/ERR_Sport/status/1189168296903483394

    Raim wants to ride the Vuelta.

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    It is not known because the riders do not even know who our teammates are right now. There are so many open ends. Maybe the team management knows, but we haven't been given this information.

    Hopefully they (and us) will have some news soon. Surely we won't have to wait for the final WT confirmation in mid-December before the full team is announced...
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #495 on: November 03, 2019, 15:02 »
    Turek interview.

    https://www.roadcycling.cz/clanek/daniel-turek-mou-podporu-si-vyzadali-vsichni-hlavni-lidri?

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    We have an overview of races where you have helped several leaders. Did the team or leaders appreciate it?

    Last year, when Ben Hermans Giro was supposed to go with an emphasis on overall ranking, he asked me. But then the management decided not to go to GC, and then my services were not needed either. Also this year leaders appreciated my work and skills. Ávila told me the team at the beginning of the season. Cimolai asked for only two people during the season and I was one of them. Van Asbroeck, too, was very satisfied with my support, which showed leadership. This award is the biggest win for me in the season!

    So, do you stay in this team that moves to WorldTour in 2020?

    The final roster will have 30 people and it is not yet known exactly what the final team composition will be. If I don't make it to the World Tour team, then, like any team from the top division, Israel Cycling will have to have a development team from next season. And if not in the first team, I have a reserved place in development.

    The advantage is that besides WorldTour races, the first team can nominate people from the reserve team for selected races of a higher category. The fact that I am the only one who has been in the team since its inception also plays in my favor. At the moment, I cannot say what the probability of the end result is.
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #496 on: November 09, 2019, 17:17 »
    This popped up on Twitter today.

    https://twitter.com/UCI_Track/status/1193166334705766400

    ....and the UCI page on the team.

    https://www.uci.org/track/teams/TeamDetail/11546/2003370/249

    Don't have any more details other than that.
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #497 on: November 15, 2019, 09:36 »
    https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/mccabe-ready-to-sign-with-israel-cycling-academy/

    Drummer will be happy, but now with the WT license secured, I can't see many reasons to sign another (not exactly world-beating) sprinter, tbh.
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #498 on: November 15, 2019, 19:29 »
    Yeah he's a slight upgrade on Avila and if they were staying PCT I'd be more than happy, but if he's really a WT level rider, why didn't they sign him last year or even before then.

    Still, he could do okay with an easier programme and at the right race - TDU, Oman, and Utah (obviously) spring to mind.
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #499 on: December 08, 2019, 09:35 »
    https://twitter.com/yallaACADEMY/status/1203543972473389056

    Still no official news of the last four riders. Unofficially though Boivin, Niv and Sagiv have all been spotted in social media and Omer Goldstein must be the other. Earle might have been an option, but he's been racing today in Australia.

    That'll give four Israelis in total. Not the best for results short term in the team, but the correct decision long term and otherwise.

    Turek is in the devo team. It wouldn't surprise me if some of Dunne, Gebremedhin and Schreurs were part of that too.

    IKA's use of the devo team should be quite different to most other WT teams at least for this year. I think most other teams will just use the riders like stagiaires and have a handful of them racing at various events later in the year. Maybe they'll also get a chance if there are injuries.

    On top of that, IKA should have some Israelis going the other way and getting chances in the devo team. Also the more experienced riders (Turek et al) could be flitting between both teams all year round. The main team might be limited to 30 official riders, but could in reality it be closer to 34? Could we see the team racing four (!) events at once + the rest of the devo team somewhere else? It wouldn't surprise me.
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    Re: The Academy of Cycling
    « Reply #500 on: December 08, 2019, 19:58 »
    Press conference/presentation type thing on Wednesday when we'll learn a lot more. I know you'll all be glued to Facebook to watch it.

    Turek is in the devo team.

    Ben Perry (surprisingly), Freddy Ovett, Ido Bear and a couple of ex-Floyd youngsters (Miles and Plamondon) can probably be added to the devo list.
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