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Re: The Start-Up Nation of Cycling
« Reply #540 on: March 10, 2020, 12:02 »
In another interview also Jasper Stuyven mentioned that basically no one in the peloton expects to reach Nice.
"The Race as close to the Sun as we'll get"? :D
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    Re: The Start-Up Nation of Cycling
    « Reply #541 on: March 10, 2020, 17:59 »
    It's tempting that possibility of the race finishing early, but I'd rather it went all the way.....I think. :P
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    Re: The Start-Up Nation of Cycling
    « Reply #542 on: April 27, 2020, 15:40 »
    Radsport did a four part interview with the loquacious Sylvan Adams.

    Part 1: https://www.radsport-news.com/sport/sportnews_119677.htm

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    We were a ProConti team. But this status poses structural problems. It is very expensive to run a ProContinental team. We don't get any money from TV rights or spectator tickets. And there are simply no good sponsorship contracts at ProContinental level. As a ProContinental team, there are no guaranteed races, so you don't know whether you will take part in a GrandTour, the classics or a monument. Since you don't know which races you take part in, it is difficult to negotiate with sponsors and tell them: give me a lot of money. But I can't tell you where we're going. This is a structural problem of ProContinental status, which is a real problem for sport.

    He also says they almost had a deal to go WT in 2018 (with Jumbo the journalist thinks).

    Part 2: https://www.radsport-news.com/sport/sportnews_119681.htm

    This bit is more about himself and his history. One nugget further down though is that he'll only be willing to put efforts into bringing another race to Israel if the funding for it is the reverse of the Giro (he paid 90% then and the government the rest).

    Part 3: https://www.radsport-news.com/sport/sportnews_119699.htm

    Politt and the Katusha takeover.

    This could be the most interesting part of the four, but I'm struggling to get my head round the contractual stuff.

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    It is interesting for us to be able to understand this exactly. We were always told that riders like Politt still had a contract ( Adams : Correct! ) And that they had to switch to Israel Cycling Academy. But that's actually not correct, because they signed a new contract with you.

    Adams: Exactly, they did.

    That means they were free to leave the team?

    Adams: It's not that simple.

    Part 4: https://www.radsport-news.com/sport/sportnews_119715.htm

    In addition to Orken (and El Mehdi Chokri), there was another muslim rider that they tried to sign. The only info as to his identity is that he's at WT level. It must be Shaggy or is there anybody else?
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    Re: The Start-Up Nation of Cycling
    « Reply #543 on: May 23, 2020, 17:36 »
    https://www.facebook.com/IsraelCyclingAcademy/posts/2398173183619559

    The new calendar:

    July:
    02-05 Tour of Sibiu (Romania, 2.1)
    15-18 Dokola Mazowza (Poland, 1.2)
    28-01 Vuelta Burgos (2.Pro)

    August:
    01 Strade Bianche (Italy, 1.UWT)
    05-09 Tour de Pologne (Poland, 2.UWT)
    05 Milano Torino (Italy, 1.Pro)
    05-09 Czech Tour (Czech Republic, 2.1)
    07-09 Tour de l’Ain (France, 2.1)
    08 Il Lombardia (Italy, 1.UWT)
    12-16 Dauphiné (France, 2.UWT)
    19-23 Tour de Wallonie (Belgium, (2.Pro)
    22 Milano San Remo (Italy, 1.UWT)
    25 Bretagne Classic (France, 1.UWT)
    29-20 Tour de France (France, 2.UWT)
    29-02 Tour de Hongrie (Hungary, 2.1)

    September:
    07-14 Tirreno Adriatico (Italy, 2.UWT)
    11 GP Quebec (Canada, 1.UWT)
    12 Eurometropole Tour (Belgium, 1.Pro)
    13 GP Montreal (Canada, 1.UWT)
    13 GP De Fourmies (France, 1.Pro)
    15-19 Tour de Luxembourg (Luxembourg, (2.Pro)
    16 Giro di Toscane (Italy, 1.1)
    16 GP Wallonie (Belgium, 1.Pro)
    17 Coppa Sabatini (Italy, 1.Pro)
    19 Primus Classic (Belgium, 1.Pro)
    20 Gooikse Pijl (Belgium, 1.1)
    22 Anzegem (Belgium, 1.1)
    23 Omloop van het Houtland (Belgium, 1.1)
    23 Worlds TT (Switzerland)
    27 Worlds RR (Switzerland)
    29-04 Cro Race (Croatia, 2.1)
    29-03 Binck Bank Tour (Netherlands, 2.UWT)
    30 Fleche Wallone (Belgium, 2.UWT)

    October:
    04 Liege Bastonge Liege (Belgium, 2.UWT)
    03-25 Giro d’Italia (Italy, 2.UWT)
    07 Brabantse Pijl (Belgium, 1.UWT)
    10 Amstel Gold Race (Netherlands, 1.UWT)
    11 Gent Wevelgem (Belgium, 1.UWT)
    14 Scheldeprijs (Belgium, 1.Pro)
    18 Tour de Flanders (Belgium, 1.UWT)
    20-08 La Vuelta (Spain, 2.UWT)
    21 Driedaagse de Panne (Belgium, 1.UWT)
    25 Paris Roubaix (France, 1.UWT)

    November:
    To the 20th Vuelta (Spain, 2.UWT)

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    It’s great for the riders and the team to have a few races to look forward to during July,” explained the team’s Pro manager Kjell Carlstrom. “There we can make sure that we are on the right track with everything regarding a safe restart of the race calendar. We will be racing with mixed teams – ISN WorldTour team and our Continental Israel Cycling Academy team
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    Re: The Start-Up Nation of Cycling
    « Reply #545 on: June 17, 2020, 17:37 »
     They certainly seem to be setting their sights high. If they manage to grab that trio they will have all their bases covered.

    https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/racing/israel-start-up-nation-in-talks-to-sign-chris-froome-greg-van-avermaet-and-jasper-stuyven-according-to-reports-458078
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    Re: The Start-Up Nation of Cycling
    « Reply #546 on: June 17, 2020, 18:57 »

    The new calendar:

    July:
    02-05 Tour of Sibiu (Romania, 2.1)

    Badilatti, Barbier, Brändle, Goldstein, Niv and Sagiv are those pre-selected to take part.
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    Re: The Start-Up Nation of Cycling
    « Reply #547 on: June 18, 2020, 08:15 »
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    Re: The Start-Up Nation of Cycling
    « Reply #548 on: June 18, 2020, 15:09 »
    Seems more wind in the sails for this one

    What a curious sight it would be to see those unmistakable legs, arms and downward-tilted head in a different team kit, racing against his former handlers and support crew, not to mention the teammates themselves.

    It would really put to the test the notion of Brailsford & Co's superior preparation and tactics. No one knows Froome better than they, so how might they use that same knowledge to defeat him (assuming that Froome is able to attain his previous level of performance)?

    And what of Froome's approach on a different team? Would he simply continue to mimic all that he's done during his Sky/Ineos career, or meld that into a new program altogether? Is it Brailsford, Kerrison or Froome to take credit for all the victories?

    Inquiring minds want to know. :slow
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    However, if I were a betting man, the most likely scenario is that Froome never actually regains his previous form, and any such speculation will remain just that.
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    Re: The Start-Up Nation of Cycling
    « Reply #549 on: June 18, 2020, 16:14 »
    The later DB is my guess.
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    Re: The Start-Up Nation of Cycling
    « Reply #550 on: June 18, 2020, 20:27 »
    The team is already at the maximum allowed number of riders. Somebody would have to voluntarily step aside if he was to join mid-season. They'd no doubt be financially rewarded for doing it (or maybe get an extended contract starting in 2021), but I wouldn't be too keen on this myself.
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    Re: The Start-Up Nation of Cycling
    « Reply #551 on: June 27, 2020, 11:55 »
    Lots (and lots) of rumours flying around about who might be joining the team next year, but with an already full squad of thirty riders, some will obviously need to leave.

    We know of nine riders who have contracts for next year, so that leaves twenty one to ponder over.

    Gets A Better Offer Elsewhere

    Politt - A couple of teams are after him (Bora, Deceuninck or INEOS?)
    MWS - Not many good riders available for Bjarne to bring to NTT/Velux if he wants to Dane-ify the team

    Ancient

    Navarro
    Sutherland

    Not WT Level

    Badilatti - Has had a fair crack of the whip, but not really produced the results
    Cataford - Still very limited. Got kept on for this year though, so might snag another extension
    McCabe - It would be a bit unfair if he only got one truncated season to show what he can do, but the team should be looking to give Einhorn chances

    Borderline Cases

    Biermans - He's done okay. His nationality could count against him. Does the team want more Belgians that Israelis?
    Hollenstein - Solid, but upgrades are always good
    Piccoli - In the same boat as McCabe as this year is his first season at this level. I'd keep him on for another year
    Raim - Longest serving rider now. Will hopefully get kept on, but needs to start producing more in the classics
    Schelling - Better than Badilatti, but older. One more year
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    Re: The Start-Up Nation of Cycling
    « Reply #552 on: June 27, 2020, 12:35 »
    not on your list, but as there was something about him in Austrian press the other day: Brändle said it's "looking good" to get a new deal

    https://www.pressreader.com/article/281990379787186
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    Re: The Start-Up Nation of Cycling
    « Reply #553 on: June 28, 2020, 17:56 »
    Gets A Better Offer Elsewhere

    MWS - Not many good riders available for Bjarne to bring to NTT/Velux if he wants to Dane-ify the team

    https://twitter.com/YallaIsraelSUN/status/1277281327214219264

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    Re: The Start-Up Nation of Cycling
    « Reply #554 on: July 08, 2020, 09:05 »
    Brändle said it's "looking good" to get a new deal

    ....and he did get one.

    https://twitter.com/YallaIsraelSUN/status/1280501825766977536

    Also in the news today is Ben Hermans. He was due to make his TDF debut this year, but has foreseen that the mental exhaustion and enforced social isolation before and during the race would not be the best option for him or his young family.


    https://www.wielerflits.nl/nieuws/ben-hermans-past-voor-tourdebuut-uit-vrees-voor-eenzaamheid/

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    "Count it out," Hermans continues. “An altitude internship prior to the Tour, three weeks from home. Once at home, you should not see anyone except your family members. In addition, you must have two molecular detection tests (PCR) performed during that home quarantine. You have to undergo the same test every week during a large round, for example on the rest day. During such a Tour you will soon be away from home for four weeks, where you will stay strictly within the bubble of your team. Visiting the home front is not allowed. If you put all that together, you have hardly seen your loved ones for seven to eight weeks. ”

    He'll do the slightly shorter Vuelta instead. Maybe the regulations will have been relaxed somewhat by then.
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    Re: The Start-Up Nation of Cycling
    « Reply #555 on: July 09, 2020, 11:04 »
     Now seems certain that Froome is on his way, as Ineos announce his contract won't be renewed.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/53112149
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    Re: The Start-Up Nation of Cycling
    « Reply #557 on: July 09, 2020, 14:36 »
    yep - Froome signed with them now

    https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/chris-froome-leaves-ineos-for-israel-start-up-nation/?fbclid=IwAR1bI4SwYl3eGXg930ZufVoCtXta9MhyKKWrIH5WFsiG6mqZYe9s072COJw

    Rumoured to be a 5 year deal??!!

    I see this as quite a risky punt by ISUN, in football parlance I'd only sign him on pay per play deal.  Plus whilst you could just see it as a sensible squad triming in light of an embarrassment of GC riches; TI have just ranked Froome below Bernal, Carapaz, and even Thomas (?) and TI know everything about everything!



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    Re: The Start-Up Nation of Cycling
    « Reply #558 on: July 09, 2020, 20:27 »
    The start up nation are OK on the flat stages, but to become a GC winning team, #israel must sign a handful better climbers. Froome is a good start, but someone that can ride at least 3/4 up the mountains with him is needed. Dan Martin just isn´t the domestique kind of rider.

    I expect more deals to follow, on Froome´s orders. Who are the next ones?

    #unox Torjus Sleen? (Excellent in that role)
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    Re: The Start-Up Nation of Cycling
    « Reply #559 on: July 09, 2020, 21:03 »
    I expect more deals to follow, on Froome´s orders. Who are the next ones?
    I think that the big GT teams #ineos #jumbo #movistar won't let their mountain domestiques go without a fight.

    And it's not as if #israel have been showing extraordinary astuteness in their scouting and transfer policy - rather, they seem to sign up anyone who's been showing something at the top level they can get their hands on.

    Signing a relatively unknown Norwegian from a ProTeam just because he's exactly what they need ... I don't see it happening.
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    Re: The Start-Up Nation of Cycling
    « Reply #560 on: July 09, 2020, 21:45 »
    Who are the next ones?

    #unox Torjus Sleen? (Excellent in that role)

    It's the kind of signing I'd like, but the chances would appear minimal.

    Money doesn't appear to be too much of a problem which means virtually anyone outside that top-rank could sign as support.

    I'm sure you know the big names already linked - Porte, Teuns, Nieve (but under contract) and Izagirre x 2. However I don't see the brothers myself as particularly useful dom types in a GT.

    Could anyone follow him from Ineos? Moscon has been linked with a move away. TGH could be a canny acquisition. Even with Froome leaving it's unlikely he'll move up the pecking order at Ineos and tbh I can't see him as more than a top 10-15 rider in a GT, but that's the sort of rider you want as a dom. Pretty sure he's matey with Dowsett as well.

    Haig could be a similar option. If the Yateseseses leave Mitchelton (which looks almost certain) he'll likely be their joint GC leader along with Chaves, but will he be getting paid much? or as much as I-Sun could potentially offer?
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    Re: The Start-Up Nation of Cycling
    « Reply #561 on: July 09, 2020, 22:19 »
    I don´t think any team has unlimited money, so I believe that after signing Froome (we don´t know the full package yet but it is rumoured 5 million € per year for his salary alone) even the startup nation will count their shekels. Remembering that when Nibali went to Bahrain, he brought so many riders with him that the managers only had a few places on the team left to fill, I expect there to be more riders than just Froome with the Froome deal.

    I think Porte and Tao Geoghegan Hart are almost safe bets. OK, Porte may retire, but if not, I think they work well together and that´s not just in racing, but in training too, based in the same geographical area and with a very large overlap in terms of skills. The main difference is that Froome is now definitively the more robust rider of the two, better in the peloton and steadily improving on tough terrain and technically challenging descents. This is of limited importance for the training part.

    Moscon´s diplomacy-skills-challenged character is a poor match with the soft spoken and stubborn Froome. I don´t think he´s on the wishlist. Even if they get along (doubt it) Moscon isn´t the climber required for the lieutenant job, and if Politt is in, no other Kiryenka-substitute is required.

    Kenny Elissonde is a candidate?  He did the job perfectly on one occasion, and if there is that one occasion that qualifies, the Finestre stage of the 2018 Giro is probably it. I tried to find out if he is south of France- based but couldn’t figure it out.
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    Re: The Start-Up Nation of Cycling
    « Reply #562 on: July 11, 2020, 02:06 »
    #unox Torjus Sleen? (Excellent in that role)

    Only if he gets to keep wearing that same kit.  :snooty
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    Re: The Start-Up Nation of Cycling
    « Reply #563 on: July 11, 2020, 16:33 »
    Not WT Level

    Cataford - Still very limited. Got kept on for this year though, so might snag another extension

    ......and he snagged one.

    https://twitter.com/YallaIsraelSUN/status/1281890980971425792

    If he gets extended surely Piccoli and Boivin will also get kept on.
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