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Re: Stölting Cycling
« Reply #30 on: January 20, 2016, 14:26 »
Yes, you are almost certainly right that the sponsor problems and near collapse just at the start of the season put them out of contention for Milan San Remo and for wildcards in the first half of the season in general. And that it won't have done their calendar any favours more broadly. It's a bit of a bad "reward" for the sponsor that actually saved the team, but it's easy to understand. If Stolting had been in a position to put out soft interviews with Ciolek, talking about how much the race would mean to them as a team, buttering up RCS instead of scrambling around trying to avert a very public collapse, they'd have been at least in the reckoning.

I'm not sure that they'd have been chosen (new team versus established ones, "yesterdays man" versus up and coming sprinters, etc) but they do have a reasonably recent winner on their books and that often does count for a lot.
Good point. The team only just made it through the CULT pull-out. I guess we have to be happy there is a team, rather than concerned about the lack of races.
It's true that Taiwan isn't the greatest race they could get - but it's a decent enough race. Stölting, like the other new PCTs, were never going to be contending for wildcards to the WT stage races in the spring, and only for a few of the one-day races.

I agree that it's key that they nail down slots in good races asap. If they don't get into reasonably high profile races, they can't produce performances in the first half of the season that would earn them invites for the second half.
Last year, #cult had a calendar in February-June that looked like this:
Trofeo Laigueglia (1.HC)
Omloop Het Nieuwsblad (1.HC)
GP Lugano (1.HC)
Dwars door Vlaanderen (1.HC)
Critérium International (2.HC)
Driedaagse De Panne-Koksijde (2.HC)
Scheldeprijs (1.HC)
Brabantse Pijl (1.HC)
Amstel Gold Race (WT)
Giro del Trentino (2.HC)
Liège-Bastogne-Liège (WT)
Tour de Yorkshire (2.1)
4 Jours de Dunkerque (2.HC)
Bayern-Rundfahrt (2.HC)
Tour of Norway (2.HC)
Tour des Fjords (2.1)
Velothon Berlin (1.1)
Tour de Luxembourg (2.HC)
GP Aargau (1.HC)
Rund um Köln (1.1)
Route du Sud (2.1)

If #stolting can get something similar to that, I'd be satisfied. Amstel Gold Race should be possible, and the ASO invitation to Qatar signals that invitations to their spring races aren't out of the question, either. Gent-Wevelgem would be a good race for Ciolek.

Like #onepro #verva #delko #funvic they won't get tons of WT invitations, but will have to make do with the scraps that are left when the more established teams have taken their share.
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    Re: Stölting Cycling
    « Reply #31 on: January 20, 2016, 15:09 »
    Good point. The team only just made it through the CULT pull-out. I guess we have to be happy there is a team, rather than concerned about the lack of races.
    It's true that Taiwan isn't the greatest race they could get - but it's a decent enough race. Stölting, like the other new PCTs, were never going to be contending for wildcards to the WT stage races in the spring, and only for a few of the one-day races.
    Last year, #cult had a calendar in February-June that looked like this:
    Trofeo Laigueglia (1.HC)
    Omloop Het Nieuwsblad (1.HC)
    GP Lugano (1.HC)
    Dwars door Vlaanderen (1.HC)
    Critérium International (2.HC)
    Driedaagse De Panne-Koksijde (2.HC)
    Scheldeprijs (1.HC)
    Brabantse Pijl (1.HC)
    Amstel Gold Race (WT)
    Giro del Trentino (2.HC)
    Liège-Bastogne-Liège (WT)
    Tour de Yorkshire (2.1)
    4 Jours de Dunkerque (2.HC)
    Bayern-Rundfahrt (2.HC)
    Tour of Norway (2.HC)
    Tour des Fjords (2.1)
    Velothon Berlin (1.1)
    Tour de Luxembourg (2.HC)
    GP Aargau (1.HC)
    Rund um Köln (1.1)
    Route du Sud (2.1)

    If #stolting can get something similar to that, I'd be satisfied. Amstel Gold Race should be possible, and the ASO invitation to Qatar signals that invitations to their spring races aren't out of the question, either. Gent-Wevelgem would be a good race for Ciolek.

    Like #onepro #verva #delko #funvic they won't get tons of WT invitations, but will have to make do with the scraps that are left when the more established teams have taken their share.

    Valid points by all of you (Lukas CPH, zinoviev letter and P.)  I am worried by the start they've had to a season meaning they've had to scramble and play catch up.  But it is what it is, and now they have to get out and ride.  The Skeldes put together a good programme for #cult last year, and something similar for SSG would be fine (even given they now have Ciolek on board)

    Of your list Lukas , the only one I would query a repeat invite to is The Tour of Yorkshire (no Russ Downing this time around).  I'm guessing the Ardennes will be their best bet for a WT wildcard again, but I'd love to see them at Gent-Wevelgem.

    Cult last year were aggressive, scrapping racers, hitting the breaks when they could. If memory serves they got TV time at both Amstel and Liege. To some extent #SSG are going to have to do that again this year, but I wonder if they'll have the same grunt power without the likes of Vinther, Downing, Mortensen.  This squad has different feel to it and they have more defined leaders for want of a better description. Some  may have to workhorse a bit more, and some of the riders who got let of the leash last year will be reined in a little this year.  We'll soon find out... fascinating times.



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    Re: Stölting Cycling
    « Reply #32 on: January 20, 2016, 15:27 »
    Of your list Lukas , the only one I would query a repeat invite to is The Tour of Yorkshire (no Russ Downing this time around).  I'm guessing the Ardennes will be their best bet for a WT wildcard again, but I'd love to see them at Gent-Wevelgem.
    True enough, Russ Downing is gone. But it's an ASO race, and they have to take some PCTs ... might as well give a spot to Stölting; even more so if they don't get any classics wildcards. Critérium International & Yorkshire would be a rather poor consolation prize, but it would be something at least.
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    Re: Stölting Cycling
    « Reply #33 on: January 20, 2016, 15:56 »
    I also doubt they'll get an invitation to the Giro del Trentino again after sending something like 3 or 4 riders only last year
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    Re: Stölting Cycling
    « Reply #34 on: January 20, 2016, 16:04 »
    I also doubt they'll get an invitation to the Giro del Trentino again after sending something like 3 or 4 riders only last year
    Probably not, no. But that might be for the better - the team accepted this invitation early, then they were invited to Amstel and Liège and had a lot of injured/sick riders. Tried to get out of the race, saying they wouldn't be competitive at all, but the organisers said they'd have to come.

    So I'm not sure they would even apply again.
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    Re: Stölting Cycling
    « Reply #35 on: January 23, 2016, 01:54 »
    Some news about the first races for the team.
    Ciolek and Gerdemann wil start their season with Tour of Oman. It's a bit surprising that they will not start in Qatar. Ciolek should be the fastest rider in the team and Gerdemann is one of the strongest riders in the peleton for crosswind . Qatar would suit him well even he is not a sprinter. Think we can't expect too much from Stölting in Qatar. A bit strange that they will not start with the strongest team in one of the biggest races for the Team. No Quaade, Ciolek , Kämna and Gerdemann
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    Re: Stölting Cycling
    « Reply #36 on: January 23, 2016, 10:49 »
    Some news about the first races for the team.
    Ciolek and Gerdemann wil start their season with Tour of Oman. It's a bit surprising that they will not start in Qatar. Ciolek should be the fastest rider in the team and Gerdemann is one of the strongest riders in the peleton for crosswind . Qatar would suit him well even he is not a sprinter. Think we can't expect too much from Stölting in Qatar. A bit strange that they will not start with the strongest team in one of the biggest races for the Team. No Quaade, Ciolek , Kämna and Gerdemann

    Hadn't seen any race team news at all so this is interesting. I'm very surprised Ciolek starts in Oman. He's the only one with any Qatar experience, and it's this perhaps more than any results he might get which is a blow for the team.   Maybe there is a problem we don't know about. Can understand re Linus in Oman, it's much more undulating and there is Green Mountain, and who else would they send??  I assume Quaade and Hansen are still working in track mode for the last World Cup and so won't be available just yet.

    Just checked Pro Cycling Stats for Qatar. The unconfirmed list gives:
    Wegmann, Kamp, Kirsch, Koep, Mager, Pedersen, Reihs, and Carbel.  Not a bad line up given their squad limitations. They'll scrap it out and I'd expect Kamp and Pedersen to at least get in amongst it.** Yes they'll get their asses kicked, but that's sort of the point with a developing squad, and Qatar if I'm honest. Even those that know how to handle the crosswind may not have experienced echelons Qatari style, and all ridden at that fearsome speed. We shall see, but I think their lack of experience and Coilek are going to make this a 'special' race.

    There is no Guldhammer listed, so presumably he's up for Oman as well. I wonder how many will race them both?

    ** by get amongst it I mean maybe survive in the middle of the pack..
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    Re: Stölting Cycling
    « Reply #37 on: January 25, 2016, 13:05 »
    some "news" mostly Midge may be interested in... :P



    Rasmus Guldhammer has a new nickname, "Bieber", as he is a big fan of Justin. He listened to so many songs of him on Spotify, that he even won a meet & greet with Justin Bieber last year  :o

    http://www.radsport-news.com/sport/sportnews_96836.htm
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    Re: Stölting Cycling
    « Reply #38 on: January 25, 2016, 13:44 »
    some "news" mostly Midge may be interested in... :P



    Rasmus Guldhammer has a new nickname, "Bieber", as he is a big fan of Justin. He listened to so many songs of him on Spotify, that he even won a meet & greet with Justin Bieber last year  :o

    http://www.radsport-news.com/sport/sportnews_96836.htm

    Oh good lord, I can not press the  :Heart: button on this. I saw the photo over the weekend and thought it a joke of some sort... but the actual truth is just worse than I imagined. Guldhammer a Bielieber[1]  :barf

    I may never recover  :o
     1. are we sure he is Danish?  ;)
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    Re: Stölting Cycling
    « Reply #39 on: January 25, 2016, 16:22 »
    Guldhammer a Bielieber[1]  :barf

    I may never recover  :o
     1. are we sure he is Danish?  ;)
    It would explain his good looks though. He made a deal with the devil! :shh


    Oh, and I have to say, the latest Bieber songs aren't actually that bad. *runs for cover*
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    Re: Stölting Cycling
    « Reply #40 on: January 25, 2016, 17:57 »
    I think this article is more interesting than the Bieber-Story  ;) http://www.radsport-news.com/sport/sportnews_96826.htm
    Jochen Hahn said it is a disappointing that they didn't get a WC for milan sanremo and that he is sure that Ciolek would fight for the victory.
    Now they hope for the Ardennes classics
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    Re: Stölting Cycling
    « Reply #41 on: January 25, 2016, 18:45 »
    I think this article is more interesting than the Bieber-Story  ;) http://www.radsport-news.com/sport/sportnews_96826.htm
    Jochen Hahn said it is a disappointing that they didn't get a WC for milan sanremo and that he is sure that Ciolek would fight for the victory.
    Now they hope for the Ardennes classics
    Some of it is the usual stuff and not surprising.
    But interesting that he mentions WT teams signing neo-pros because they cost less and hope that some of them will make it.

    Also interesting what he tells about his own career in the DDR: Studied physics, worked with TV electronics - but could get leave at full pay to ride amateur races. And we can assume that his 'real work' didn't get in the way of training either, on the contrary.
    As you can see, the socialist countries stretched the meaning of 'amateur sport' as far as they could. ;)
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    Re: Stölting Cycling
    « Reply #42 on: January 25, 2016, 18:50 »


    Oh, and I have to say, the latest Bieber songs aren't actually that bad. *runs for cover*

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    « Reply #43 on: January 25, 2016, 19:33 »
    Lukas!
    I know, I know. I'll go stand on the naughty step. *hangs head in shame*
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    Re: Stölting Cycling
    « Reply #44 on: January 25, 2016, 19:47 »
    I know, I know. I'll go stand on the naughty step. *hangs head in shame*

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    Re: Stölting Cycling
    « Reply #45 on: January 26, 2016, 11:31 »
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    Some of it is the usual stuff and not surprising.

    Seems a little strange that they have no plan B for Ciolek, surely they couldn't have been banking on a WC for MSR that heavily. They're not having the luck with wild card announcements that's for sure.

    I'm not sure I'm getting the full gist of this article, G translate doesn't do a good job with German. Which brings me to another point. There is very little migration of any of this news into the DK cycling press ... With such a core component of Danes in their team they have to do much better. If they can get the Bieber tweet into English, why couldn't there be a translate of the more serious cycling news.

    I get that they're a German team with a German licence and it's their home market and fanbase they will concentrate on... but they also need to fight for recognition in a crowded Pro Conti pool. Am hoping this will improve once the racing starts.
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    Re: Stölting Cycling
    « Reply #46 on: January 26, 2016, 11:37 »
    And as I wrote the last post... this popped up from Alexander Kamp on Cykelmagasinet

    No talent without good habits

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    The sun is shining and we are a bunch of Danish riders on the road to the mountain Vall d'Ebo in beautiful Spain near Calpe. I visit home of good friends from my old team coloQuick and we are joined by people from Riwal Platform. There is dealt gas, but not more than the mind can run free. I have just received news that one of the main sponsors of my cycling team has withdrawn, and now runs the mill so in public: "What now?" "Closes the team?", "What's the status?". Cult is out as a sponsor, and the talk is. Oddly enough, save space by myself. In recent years, the ability to ignore external disturbances were not so little developed. But I can not change it, and it will only interfere with my focus. Cut to the bone, it is not important, what is at my cycling apparel. It is relatively matter, but what matters is Michael Skelde and Andre Steen, everything else is choppy water. They were and are the key to my contract with Cult and unique reason to hold the shift. It is under their control, that I can develop myself as a cyclist. It is with them on board, I can sleep soundly in relation to which races to be run and what role I should have. There is my development in the best hands.

    It goes on to muse about what is talent and even throws in a Dickens quote... quite the thinker Mr Kamp.
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    Re: Stölting Cycling
    « Reply #47 on: January 26, 2016, 12:10 »
    Seems a little strange that they have no plan B for Ciolek, surely they couldn't have been banking on a WC for MSR that heavily. They're not having the luck with wild card announcements that's for sure.
    They talk about him riding some classics (read semi-classics), and he should be able to play a role in e.g. Dwars door Vlaanderen etc. But that's a level below where they'd want to be at. Gent-Wevelgem is still possible, I think - and is a race very much suited to Ciolek: Wind, often bad weather, some hills, sprint at the end.

    I'm not sure I'm getting the full gist of this article, G translate doesn't do a good job with German. Which brings me to another point. There is very little migration of any of this news into the DK cycling press ... With such a core component of Danes in their team they have to do much better. If they can get the Bieber tweet into English, why couldn't there be a translate of the more serious cycling news.

    I get that they're a German team with a German licence and it's their home market and fanbase they will concentrate on... but they also need to fight for recognition in a crowded Pro Conti pool. Am hoping this will improve once the racing starts.
    What I've been saying from the start! ;)
    They need to at least make an effort with Denmark - it's where half of the team, and most of the up-and-coming riders (let's face it, Ciolek, Wegmann and Gerdemann are have-beens) come from.
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    « Reply #48 on: January 27, 2016, 00:02 »
    A really remarkable fact: Nearly the whole management from Stölting Service Group (the company) is with the team in the team trainings camp. You can see that they have really passion for cycling and this is not a "only" a sponsorship. Think this can be a long term issue with this team


    They need to at least make an effort with Denmark - it's where half of the team, and most of the up-and-coming riders (let's face it, Ciolek, Wegmann and Gerdemann are have-beens) come from.

    Think it will not happen as long as there isn't at least a danish co-sponsor in this team.  You can compare this with Giant (Shimano/Alpecin/Argos). The 2 best riders of this team were 2 Germans. But they begin with an effort with Germany only after Alpecin was there
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    « Reply #49 on: January 27, 2016, 00:51 »
    Think it will not happen as long as there isn't at least a danish co-sponsor in this team.  You can compare this with Giant (Shimano/Alpecin/Argos). The 2 best riders of this team were 2 Germans. But they begin with an effort with Germany only after Alpecin was there
    True - but with no effort made to attract Danish interest, there won't be a Danish co-sponsor in the future. It's a cat-chases-its-tail situation.
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    « Reply #50 on: January 27, 2016, 01:36 »
    Think it will not happen as long as there isn't at least a danish co-sponsor in this team.  You can compare this with Giant (Shimano/Alpecin/Argos). The 2 best riders of this team were 2 Germans. But they begin with an effort with Germany only after Alpecin was there

    Agree 100 %

    True - but with no effort made to attract Danish interest, there won't be a Danish co-sponsor in the future. It's a cat-chases-its-tail situation.

    Also true, but I think the difference is how you market it, I mean potential sponsors won't necessarily be looking the same places as potential clients.

    Also do they want a danish co-sponsor or would they rather see a German one, and get rid of a few of the keepers off Cult in the future, remains to be seen. Honestly if they want WT surely a merger seems the most likely route (Or simply buying a sponsorship slot). Either they could become Bora - Stölting or for the expensive route convince Giant that their name is already on the bike and thus Alpecin - Stölting might be a thing. I mean they will need to find WT money regardless if that is an ambition of theirs.

    A really remarkable fact: Nearly the whole management from Stölting Service Group (the company) is with the team in the team trainings camp. You can see that they have really passion for cycling and this is not a "only" a sponsorship. Think this can be a long term issue with this team

    An issue in what way? Surely overspending at a level where it threatens the main business can't be a thing.
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    « Reply #51 on: January 27, 2016, 09:10 »
    An issue in what way? Surely overspending at a level where it threatens the main business can't be a thing.
    That's what CULT-Brian did ...

    I think P. means it's a good thing, not a bad thing. Lampre has sponsored cycling teams for decades - not because it helps them sell pre-coated steel, but because the boss is a cycling fan.
    If Stölting (the company) could become a *de Lampre, that would be great.

    Also do they want a danish co-sponsor or would they rather see a German one, and get rid of a few of the keepers off Cult in the future, remains to be seen. Honestly if they want WT surely a merger seems the most likely route (Or simply buying a sponsorship slot). Either they could become Bora - Stölting or for the expensive route convince Giant that their name is already on the bike and thus Alpecin - Stölting might be a thing. I mean they will need to find WT money regardless if that is an ambition of theirs.
    Meh, mergers. Often that's the last option before having to close the team down - I've yet to see a merger between two cycling teams that's been targeted and genuinely wanted from both sides.
    That said, merging with #giant would be a possibility: It would instantly get them to WT level, it would give their young riders a good team to develop at (and one that already has some Danes in Søren Kragh and Morten Bennekou, so they wouldn't say no to Kamp or Guldhammer either), and one where Ciolek could be "plan B" for Degenkolb etc.

    However: Stölting Cycling (the management company that owns the team) is a subsidiary of Stölting Service Group (the sponsor), and I think they'll want to keep that level of control and not be 'only a sponsor'. I can't see the guys behind either #giant or #bora effectively giving up their livelihood just because there's a new sponsor, though.
    For that reason, I think that a merger is improbable. Not impossible - there's much sense in a #giant #stolting merger - but improbable.
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    Re: Stölting Cycling
    « Reply #52 on: January 27, 2016, 10:40 »
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    Think it will not happen as long as there isn't at least a danish co-sponsor in this team.  You can compare this with Giant (Shimano/Alpecin/Argos). The 2 best riders of this team were 2 Germans. But they begin with an effort with Germany only after Alpecin was there

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    Also do they want a danish co-sponsor or would they rather see a German one, and get rid of a few of the keepers off Cult in the future, remains to be seen.

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    I've yet to see a merger between two cycling teams that's been targeted and genuinely wanted from both sides.
    For that reason, I think that a merger is improbable. Not impossible - there's much sense in a #giant #stolting merger - but improbable.

    My thoughts fwiw... I don't doubt for a minute the commitment and passion of the company behind the team. It shines through in all they have done with the Conti team, without adding in the way they have stepped up in the way after the merger went sour.

    My gut feeling is that they would rather wish to attract a German sponsor as opposed to Danish (or any other nationality for that matter). Whether that be via a new company coming on board or a merger with an existing team is something only time will tell. I can see the sense in a deal with Giant from Stolting's pov... but would have to question why Giant would want to. 
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    I am no fan of mergers in general in or outside of cycling. They tend to either end in one of two scenarios at least in the early days: the worst of both rather than the best of both or an inequality between the two sides. And the Stolting Cult merger is no different... I see a year for the new team rather like Cannondale-Garmin last year... a year of waiting before a strip down and rebuild.... a many less Danes.

    But for now, there is racing, and that's what I shall look forward to with this team.
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    Re: Stölting Cycling
    « Reply #53 on: January 27, 2016, 10:42 »
    That's what CULT-Brian did ...

    Surely no, that would just be too unprofessional, but the tax avoidance thing didn't help either I assume. 
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    Re: Stölting Cycling
    « Reply #54 on: January 27, 2016, 10:49 »
    Surely no, that would just be too unprofessional, but the tax avoidance thing didn't help either I assume.
    CULT (the company) had diminishing profits all the way through its sponsorship of the cycling team - so after he'd pulled out, people were asking "where did he find the money in the first place"?
    If your profits for the year (2014, I think) are 2 million kr. (down from a figure well above 10 million), it's hard to see where you'd get the millions required to keep a PCT afloat (and he didn't, in the end).

    He did pull out of the sponsorship before it threatened the main business ... but if he'd continued sponsoring a team on this level for 3 years and the company's profits hadn't turned around, the main business would have been in trouble.
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    Re: Stölting Cycling
    « Reply #55 on: January 27, 2016, 11:42 »
    If your profits for the year (2014, I think) are 2 million kr. (down from a figure well above 10 million), it's hard to see where you'd get the millions required to keep a PCT afloat (and he didn't, in the end).

    Not sure that has anything to do with the cycling part though, I mean of a sponsorship you would like to earn more back than what you lose, not sure if that was the case or not.

    All in all though I am sure that it is more a general trend away from their products. I mean I can't remember when I've last bought a product of theirs. Alcopops and energy drinks would both rank very low on a coolness index if you ask me. Alcopops likely at a level we can call if you give it to me for free I will flush it down, but I will do it fast and get rid of the evidence. Energy drinks likely at a level of might buy if super cheap alternative to soft drink, but only if there is few people in the store. Generally I'd say both such products are just embarrassing. And we are yet to speak of CULT's despicable marketing strategies :o

    Also I reckon Tobias Dybvad's treatment of some of their products has not benefited sales.
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    Re: Stölting Cycling
    « Reply #56 on: January 27, 2016, 12:11 »
    All in all though I am sure that it is more a general trend away from their products. I mean I can't remember when I've last bought a product of theirs. Alcopops and energy drinks would both rank very low on a coolness index if you ask me. Alcopops likely at a level we can call if you give it to me for free I will flush it down, but I will do it fast and get rid of the evidence. Energy drinks likely at a level of might buy if super cheap alternative to soft drink, but only if there is few people in the store. Generally I'd say both such products are just embarrassing. And we are yet to speak of CULT's despicable marketing strategies :o

    Also I reckon Tobias Dybvad's treatment of some of their products has not benefited sales.
    I've never bought nor drunk a CULT product, because I'm just not their target audience.

    The story of how the energy drink came about is telling in itself:
    Brian S. had some night clubs, but realised that people were getting tired and leaving around 3 am, and they didn't sell much in the last hour of operation until 4 am. So they mixed an energy drink to keep people awake and consuming. To start with, the energy drinks were handed out for free - and once the clubbers were hooked, they started to sell them.
    In the beginning the CULT products were only available in those nightclubs and directly from the producer; eventually they became available in supermarkets etc. as well. Ironically, though now much more visible to people who didn't go to nightclubs, the company would now get lower profits as they didn't reap the entire margin between production and sale, but only got a part of it, with the supermarkets taking the rest.

    All in all, it doesn't sound like the most stable product in my opinion.
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    Re: Stölting Cycling
    « Reply #57 on: January 29, 2016, 16:30 »
    Looks like the 3 week training camp is at an end... full steam ahead for Qatar...


    https://twitter.com/TeamStoelting/status/693106595828482048

    Seems passion to ride will be the team hashtag #PassionToRide  ;)
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    Re: Stölting Cycling
    « Reply #58 on: January 29, 2016, 17:16 »
    Looks like the 3 week training camp is at an end... full steam ahead for Qatar...


    https://twitter.com/TeamStoelting/status/693106595828482048

    Seems passion to ride will be the team hashtag #PassionToRide  ;)
    Hashtag is OK ...

    ... but what is absolutely, definitely no OK is such a basic missspelling:
    "Seid" = "be"; "seit" = "since".
    So the German sentence says "since with us", which is complete nonsense. :fp

    They've deleted it now though and put up a new tweet, so points for that:
    https://twitter.com/TeamStoelting/status/693115206713606144
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    Re: Stölting Cycling
    « Reply #59 on: January 29, 2016, 23:50 »
    No wildcard for Gent-Wevlegem :( Even CCC & Bardiani got a wild card for this race. So probably no big classic for Ciolek.
    And also no wild card for Volta a Catalunya. Think they didn't apply for a wild card. It would be a shame because there are always a lot of hilly-sprint stages, which would be perfect for this team. Instead of this there are teams like ActiveJet or Roth. Think Stötling should be able to get a better race programm than these teams.
    So far not a good start for Stölting even without any race kilometers
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