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2017 Tour de France general discussion
« on: December 22, 2015, 09:51 »
And here is the news we all expected

https://twitter.com/inrng/status/679236329205575680
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    Re: 2017 Tour de France general discussion
    « Reply #2 on: December 22, 2015, 16:51 »
    Was just about to start this thread  :angry :angry :angry :angry
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    Re: 2017 Tour de France general discussion
    « Reply #4 on: January 14, 2016, 09:16 »
    full ASO press release:

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    2017 TOUR DE FRANCE
    DÜSSELDORF - A NEW START FOR GERMANY


    In 2017, Germany will host the Grand Départ of the Tour de France for the fourth time. The peloton will hit the road in Düsseldorf, on the banks of the Rhine and in the heart of one of most vibrant cities in the country, for what is an already highly anticipated 104th edition. Germany has the greatest number of stage wins in the last three editions of the Tour de France. Led by a golden generation of cyclists such as Tony Martin, André Greipel, Marcel Kittel and John Degenkolb, Germany is ready to write a glorious new chapter in the history of the biggest cycling race in the world.


    2017 will see the Tour de France start abroad for the 22nd time. Thirty years after West Berlin's turn in 1987, the peloton of the biggest cycling race in the world will hit the road in Germany — this time from Düsseldorf. The capital of North Rhine-Westphalia, which straddles the Rhine, will be the beating heart of the world of cycling for a weekend. It is a well-deserved reward for German riders, who are an integral part of today's cycling elite, and cycling fans, very numerous in the country and, particularly, in Düsseldorf.
     
    Based on the stage profile, Tony Martin has the best shot at wearing the legendary yellow jersey in his home country at the end of the opening day. The first stage, scheduled for July 1, 2017, will be a 13 km individual time trial through the streets of Düsseldorf. The stage will start opposite the Messe fair grounds, following which the riders will roll down the banks of the Rhine for several kilometers before crossing it twice and heading for Königsallee, the city's most iconic street. Finally, after breezing past the opera, the riders will head north-west towards the finish line, also located near Messe. The pancake-flat course will whet the appetite of power riders, notably the 2013 individual time trial world champion.
     
    The next day, Sunday, July 2, 2017, cycling fans will again throng the streets of the center of Düsseldorf, where the second stage will begin. After a tour through the city center, the first mountain points will be up for grabs at km 6, on the Grafenberg. The peloton will then make its way back to Düsseldorf one last time before heading to a destination as yet unknown, which will be revealed at the presentation of the route of the 2017 Tour de France, on October 18, 2016.

    The Düsseldorf stages of the 2017 Tour de France :


    • ~pdf Saturday, July 1  : Düsseldorf  >  Düsseldorf, 13 km (TT)
    • ~pdf Sunday, July  2  : Düsseldorf  >  …

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    Re: 2017 Tour de France general discussion
    « Reply #7 on: October 06, 2016, 11:21 »
    Meh.
    What's the point of a *de Grand Départ if you leave the country at the earliest opportunity - and not even to France? :(

    I guess Canyon didn't want to pay for a Koblenz stage finish. ;)
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    Re: 2017 Tour de France general discussion
    « Reply #10 on: October 18, 2016, 09:56 »
    not long now

    Been relatively leak free build up for once.
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    Re: 2017 Tour de France general discussion
    « Reply #11 on: October 18, 2016, 10:16 »
    https://twitter.com/jeremycwhittle/status/788283071074271232

    Who is that plea to though? Is it the UCI or the teams or the riders?

    If he really wanted to I thought he could already reduce the size of the teams for the tour.
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    Re: 2017 Tour de France general discussion
    « Reply #12 on: October 18, 2016, 10:24 »
    Who is that plea to though? Is it the UCI or the teams or the riders?

    If he really wanted to I thought he could already reduce the size of the teams for the tour.

    from the ~pdf rules -> 2.2.003:

    In UCI WorldTour events, the number of starting riders per team is 9 for Grand Tours and 8 for other events. However, subject to prior approval by the Professional Cycling Council, the organiser may fix the number of starting riders per team at 7. The organiser shall request the permission of the Professional Cycling Council on or before 1st January of the year of the event.
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    Re: 2017 Tour de France general discussion
    « Reply #13 on: October 18, 2016, 10:29 »
    from the ~pdf rules -> 2.2.003:

    In UCI WorldTour events, the number of starting riders per team is 9 for Grand Tours and 8 for other events. However, subject to prior approval by the Professional Cycling Council, the organiser may fix the number of starting riders per team at 7. The organiser shall request the permission of the Professional Cycling Council on or before 1st January of the year of the event.

    Thanks for that. I'd read the first paragraph of 2.2.003 which suggested a maximum figure of 9 for Grand Tours not that it must be 9 as it says in the later paragraph that you have quoted.
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    Re: 2017 Tour de France general discussion
    « Reply #14 on: October 18, 2016, 11:02 »
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    Re: 2017 Tour de France general discussion
    « Reply #15 on: October 18, 2016, 11:14 »
    Avoidance of some of the key alpine passes after a big few years majoring on that range.

    I like it. But then again I always do. I am firmly in the riders making the race camp, as opposed to the parcours.
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    Re: 2017 Tour de France general discussion
    « Reply #17 on: October 18, 2016, 11:29 »
     Looks a stinker at first glance.
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    Re: 2017 Tour de France general discussion
    « Reply #18 on: October 18, 2016, 11:37 »
    Looks a stinker at first glance.
    Lightweight.
    Judging from the Dawg's face, he's not happy.

    Not sure why any pure Climber will be booking tickets to the Giro

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    Re: 2017 Tour de France general discussion
    « Reply #19 on: October 18, 2016, 11:39 »
    Less climbing but steeper?

    "Let's lose the traditional TDF look and feel and have ourselves a Giro...................only easier." :fp
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    Re: 2017 Tour de France general discussion
    « Reply #22 on: October 18, 2016, 13:54 »
    Very pleased with that course, very, very pleased.
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    Re: 2017 Tour de France general discussion
    « Reply #23 on: October 18, 2016, 14:53 »
    Well, for myself, I have no emotional reaction to the course, one way or another. After all, I'm not riding it. However, it seems to me, at first glance, that this course should see a very different dynamic from the traditional TdF spectacle.

    Who do YOU (all of you) think this course favors? I'm not sure what to think, but I'm wondering if ASO maybe is thinking they are giving Sagan a shot at yellow. Otherwise - like Tony Martin is saying - this course might favor him more than past routes.

    BTW - any Spring Classics segments in this year's stages? I don't see any notice of cobbles or the like.
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    Re: 2017 Tour de France general discussion
    « Reply #24 on: October 18, 2016, 19:56 »

    ASO really want Quintana and the French GC "hopefuls" to not lose any time in the first week - no potential crosswinds, no cobbles, etc and so few TT kms. The route seems to also cater to the German public by the number of sprint stages. Can't see how Froome can be beaten if he's healthy and his team is as strong as the past four years.

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    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/bardet-pinot-weigh-in-on-2017-tour-de-france-route

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    ... Bardet balked at the number of time trialing kilometres, which, at 36km in total is significantly less than this year...

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    "36 km of chrono, that's a lot," Bardet said, "We will have to think carefully about our strategy because Marseille time trial will be a decisive one."

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    Re: 2017 Tour de France general discussion
    « Reply #25 on: October 18, 2016, 20:29 »
    Looks pretty bland to me not enough MTF's 2 more would have been perfect offset by ITT kms 36 is not enough for a GT....poor!!

    Right trying to negotiate bastille Day at our best friends place in Cornebarrieu.... 3.5Km from the stage start in Blangnac the next morning.....  ;) ;) ;)
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    Re: 2017 Tour de France general discussion
    « Reply #26 on: October 19, 2016, 10:07 »
    Prudhomme can't win though can he?

    He will have been under pressure to visit various places in the hexagon from local authorities and councils and the recent Tour routes have been simple for Froome to master.

    There is no harm in trying something different because as the Worlds RR shown, its the riders and not the course.

    So if they try and race the first week, things will happen.

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    « Reply #27 on: October 19, 2016, 11:51 »






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    Re: 2017 Tour de France general discussion
    « Reply #28 on: October 19, 2016, 12:36 »
    Interesting course, not a great deal of opportunity to create gaps. I think there are a few riders in with a shot at this including the Yates boys and Bardet.

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    Re: 2017 Tour de France general discussion
    « Reply #29 on: October 22, 2016, 11:01 »
    Should suit Purito with so little ITT. and no TTT. Oh hang on A minute didn't he just retire. Dirty French trick there.
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