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ZLM Roompot Tour

Stage 3

The Danes get their win, the Norwegians take the GC... seems fair (It's not  :angry)





Write up and video highlights here

Still love this race ;)
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    We may or may not have skipped a few U23 races in this thread, I've lost sight of it a bit.

    But today we'll see the start of the first bike race in my new hometown, the U23 Tour de Berlin!
    Held for the 65th time, this nice little race consists of five stages on four days.

    Tonight there'll be a 6.3 km TTT on the Kurfürstendamm, three 2.1 km laps with one of the turning points at the Kaiser-Wilhelm-Gedächtnis-Kirche.
    Tomorrow morning the race goes to the very west of Berlin for 121.6 km consisting of 16 laps around the Schäferberg (the closest to a mountain you'll get here), and on Sunday they trek to Baruth (approximately half-way between Berlin and Dresden) for a morning ITT (21.4 km) and an afternoon road stage (135.3 km).
    Finally, Monday sees a 151.2 km stage in Birkenwerder just north of Berlin, consisting of 12 laps with 1800 m of cobbles per lap.

    The startlist consists of 24 teams including many of the strongest U23 development teams, several Continental squads and two national teams.

    Biggest names are #seg Jakobsen, #trefor Würtz, #trefor Asgreen, #trefor Rahbek, #teamde Ackermann, #awt Bokeloh, #awt Schachmann, #awt Schreurs, #lkt Franz, #bmc Appelt[1], #bmc van Hooydonck, I would say.

    I'll be roadside for the TTT and the stages on Saturday and Monday, doing the odd update on Twitter (#TourdeBerlin) and hopefully collecting a couple of thoughts here each day.
     1. apparently not starting after all
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    The TTT was a great way to start this race: On the Kurfürstendamm in the middle of Berlin - I've lost count of the number of people who asked me just what was going on here (and I happily explained it to them).

    #bmc BMC Devo were the strongest over the 6.3 km, but only just: #awt Klein Constantia, #trefor Team TREFOR, and #teamca Team Race Clean all finished only one second behind.

    On the podium, #bmc Bas Tietema dedicated their win to Gijs Verdick. The Dutchman was scheduled to ride this race with #piels Cyclingteam Jo Piels, but passed away at the start of the week after a heart attack at the Carpathian Couriers Race and was being laid to rest today. #piels understandably pulled out of the race.

    Pre-race favourite #trefor Mads Würtz suffered some sort of bad luck and apparently finished way behind his teammates - he's listed as dead last on GC now. Time will tell if he has fire in his belly and takes his revenge on the coming days was registered as having lost over two minutes on the TTT, but he didn't.

    Result:
    1 #bmc BMC Development Team 7:23
    2 #awt Klein Constantia 7:24
    3 #trefor Team TREFOR 7:24
    4 *ca Team Race Clean 7:24
    5 #kuota Team Kuota - Lotto 7:28
    6 #seg SEG Racing Academy 7:29
    7 #soigneur Team Soigneur - Copenhagen Pro Cycling 7:35
    8 *de P&S Team Thüringen 7:36
    9 *be Baguet - MIBA - Indulek - Derito 7:37
    10 #teamde German National Team 7:38
    11 #colorcode Color Code - Arden Beef 7:38
    12 #heizomat Team Heizomat 7:38
    13 #lkt LKT Team Brandenburg 7:39
    14 *de KED Stevens Radteam Berlin 7:40
    15 #teamch Swiss National Team 7:40
    16 *nl NWVG Fila Nijwa Trucks 7:43
    17 *de Matrix Racing Team 7:45
    18 *de LV Berlin 7:54
    19 *de Team Sauerland NRW p/b Henley & Partners 7:57
    20 *de Cyclingteam Sachsen 8:01
    21 #wsa WSA - Greenlife 8:07
    22 *de Fachklinik Dr. Herzog 8:21

    The race continues tomorrow at 8 am (that's in less than 10 hours) with a 16-lap, 121.6 km road stage. The finishing straight is uphill, so it won't be a straightforward affair.
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    Who knows if he'll make it big, but the latest Estonian on the Pro Immo Nicolas Roux talent conveyor belt, Karl Patrick Lauk, is racking up the low level French wins recently.

    http://www.directvelo.com/coureur/15027/karl-patrick-lauk



    He's from Saaremaa, the same as Raim. He's got a long way to go anyway, but let's hope Pro Immo Nicolas Roux's potential relegation from D1 doesn't blunt his progress.
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    Hey I just realised that Jasper Philipsen won the Tryptich Mounts & Castle.  :cool


    If you remember Jasper was the victim of Qatar heat at the Worlds : http://velorooms.com/index.php?topic=7581.msg2221306#msg2221306


    The Tryptich is probably the best Belgian stage race for U23 & amateur riders. Let's remember that its main climb is the Côte du Beau site, probably the second hardest climb in the Flemish Ardennes to the Koppenberg only it's in Wallonia (but just beyond the laguage border and in the region that is historically Flemish). A cobbled climb with no dend after the top and with no gutter to "cheat" on the climb. ItIt was formerly on the route of Dwars door Vlaanderen when the latter race was still called Dwars door België (good ole days).


    Jasper is really a very good ITT talent from Limburg. I hope he can evolve. :)
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  • "Paris-Roubaix is the biggest cycling race in the world, bigger than the Tour de France, bigger than any other bike race" (Sir Bradley Wiggins)

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    Philipsen second at the U23 Ronde today behind Eddie Dunbar  #axeon who came second to Philipsen in the Tryptique des Monts et Chateaux. Philipsen looks like a big cobbled talent. Dunbar however is a climber and one of the least likely looking guys to suddenly turn out to be great on the cobbles.

    As of a year ago I'd have said that Dunbar was a prospective JRod or Pozzovivo kind of espoir. Since then he's won the Irish U23 TT, got a top 5 in the U23 Euro TT, a top 10 in the worlds U23 TT, came second at the Tryptique M et C and won the U23 Ronde. Thereby proving that I know nothing about this stupid sport.
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    Philipsen second at the U23 Ronde today behind Eddie Dunbar  #axeon who came second to Philipsen in the Tryptique des Monts et Chateaux. Philipsen looks like a big cobbled talent. Dunbar however is a climber and one of the least likely looking guys to suddenly turn out to be great on the cobbles.

    As of a year ago I'd have said that Dunbar was a prospective JRod or Pozzovivo kind of espoir. Since then he's won the Irish U23 TT, got a top 5 in the U23 Euro TT, a top 10 in the worlds U23 TT, came second at the Tryptique M et C and won the U23 Ronde. Thereby proving that I know nothing about this stupid sport.

    I don't think it shows you nothing about this sport. I think its more a case of when they are U23 and especially juniors they still arent really specialising in a way they will probably have to do when they start riding pro/senior races.

    I always think Junior/U23 results give a guide to who should be a good rider in the future not necessarily what type of rider. Kittel was a double junior TT world champ but developed into a sprinter and Popovych winning the U23 Roubaix and then going on to 3 or 4 GT top 10's are a couple of examples of big wins when younger in a different area they excelled at later.
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    I don't think it shows you nothing about this sport. I think its more a case of when they are U23 and especially juniors they still arent really specialising in a way they will probably have to do when they start riding pro/senior races.

    I always think Junior/U23 results give a guide to who should be a good rider in the future not necessarily what type of rider. Kittel was a double junior TT world champ but developed into a sprinter and Popovych winning the U23 Roubaix and then going on to 3 or 4 GT top 10's are a couple of examples of big wins when younger in a different area they excelled at later.

    I agree entirely about the relative lack of specialisation in age group races and that many riders grow up to have a very different focus than the one they appeared most likely to develop.

    But in Dunbar's case the issue isn't so much that he says he's a climber, although he does, or that he was the outstanding climber among Irish or British juniors, although he was. It's that he weighs around 55kg. That really isn't a very likely physique for a guy producing those results.
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    In order to second Carlo's post I remember discovering Robert Gesink when he was European TT champion as a junior. When he turned pro, I didn't see his first results immediately and was told he rather was a climber. I said what? Also Marc De Maar won the Classique des Alpes as a U23 but as a pro if ever there's a style of races he was a specialist at is the cobbles. Dumoulin was not really a Time Trialist in the youth categories either, I think. So I agree with Carlo, those races are good to notice the best riders but not really the type of races they would be good at as pros.
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    Who knows if he'll make it big, but the latest Estonian on the Pro Immo Nicolas Roux talent conveyor belt, Karl Patrick Lauk, is racking up the low level French wins recently.

    Just won stage one of the Tour of Estonia.  :cool
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    http://www.axeoncycling.com/news/costa_loa

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    Axeon Hagens Berman Cycling Team announced today that Adrien Costa will take a break from competitive cycling for the remainder of the 2017 season.

    The California native, who is one of the sport's most promising young talents, has cited fatigue as the reason behind the hiatus, explaining that at just 19 years of age, he wants to make sure that he doesn't rush his development.

    “This was an incredibly tough decision for me to make, but for my personal development I think it's the best option. I want to take time to do other things that I've always been passionate about and finding a new balance between the sport I love and the rest of my life."

    I had been thinking that the death of Chad Young might have had something to do with his absence from the racing scene. Still could be.

    Anyway even with today's news, it still feels like we're not hearing the whole story, but it's not really our place to pry. So hopefully he'll find what it is he's searching for.
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    http://www.axeoncycling.com/news/costa_loa
    Chad Young, team press officer Sean Weide ... and Costa is still only 19.
    Losing two people you've been working closely with - and that you probably considered friends - within such a short period of time would be hard on anyone.

    The fatigue he cites may not be the whole story, nor may the deaths of two team members.
    But like you say, it's not our place. He decided to take a break and not rush anything, and that sounds like the completely right decision to me.

    It is only a sport, after all.
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    https://twitter.com/WillElliott25/status/894248776092831744

    https://twitter.com/TeamRaceClean/status/894208776571674631

    He's in his last year with Team Race Clean as he ages out, so a performance like this could help get him a contract for 2018 and beyond.
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    He's in his last year with Team Race Clean as he ages out, so a performance like this could help get him a contract for 2018 and beyond.
    I've heard that #academy are not beyond looking on the Canadian market ... ;)
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    http://www.directvelo.com/actualite/60815/coupe-des-nations-les-reserves-pros-invitees-en-2018

    WT Devo teams in the Coupe des Nations?

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    The Coupe des Nations Espoirs, launched in 2007 with the ambition of bringing national teams into opposition exclusively, has already undergone modifications and derogations, such as when teams of clubs and Continental competed in the Canadian round of Saguenay in 2013 or, When the World Cycling Center, which gathers riders of different nationalities, is engaged on tests. Since last year, the organizers of the Nations Cup have been allowed to invite regional teams.

    According to our sources, the peloton could now include Continental teams attached to World Tour groups, such as Dimension Data-Qhubeka or Development Team Sunweb.

    This change of rules is intended to maintain a high level of sport on the sleeves of the Nations Cup and to respond to the budgetary problems of many federations that no longer have the means to compete in all the events of the calendar.

    Final decision at the Worlds.
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    http://www.directvelo.com/actualite/60815/coupe-des-nations-les-reserves-pros-invitees-en-2018

    WT Devo teams in the Coupe des Nations?

    Final decision at the Worlds.

    Perhaps it is time to get rid of the Coupe des Nations and have it replaced by a more coherent set of .2U races throughout the season that National, Regional and Conti/Devo teams can all ride in.
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    Perhaps it is time to get rid of the Coupe des Nations and have it replaced by a more coherent set of .2U races throughout the season that National, Regional and Conti/Devo teams can all ride in.
    Hear, hear!

    The Nations Cup (on U23 level at least) has shrunk to no more than half a dozen races anyway; instead of reducing a Nations Cup to the absurdity of being contested by non-national teams, they should get rid of it altogether and establish a season-long U23 ranking based only on .2U races. The Tour de l'Avenir or Baby Giro could even be ranked as 2.1U if the UCI finds its long-lost never-had flexibility.

    It would just make much more sense ...
    ... so we know for sure it'll never happen. :fp
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    Another directvelo article talks about a proposed nations cup race in Cameroun. That sounds way cool but surely too expensive for many teams that were in l'Avenir.

    Season ranking sounds like a good idea but bigger races need to still be for national teams. As development teams channel wealth and investment to riders from the same few countries the result is the sport gets even more insular. Avenir with more trade development teams means no bielorussian and moroccan teams and even harder for riders from other nations to get noticed.
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